Bramall Lane roof

[Davalon]

Without knowing the exact problems and what's required to fix them, it does seem short-sighted at face value.

Not only does the roof effectively cover the lower tier to a large extent too, it could have an impact on FA Cup games and late season games if anything is on the line (relegation rather than promotion you'd have to say at this point).

 

[KMC-1889]

I hadnt thought about RAAC - what bits of it are concrete..? I think RAAC was more like 60s 70s era.. my guess it relates to the steelwork. Corrosion protection (paint) requires regular maintenace - 15 years service life would be optimistic before it needed renewing.

RAAC was still being used in the late 90s for floors and ceilings and has a life of around 30 years, which is why it came to mind.

You can bet your house on McCabe using RAAC for the floors if it was cheaper, it would also explain why it’s the upper tier and not the lower that’s closed.

They won’t want to mention RAAC (if it is that) as they’ll need a full risk assessment of the rest of the ground and god knows what that will bring up.

 

[Bladeloyal]

I hadnt though about RAAC - what bits of it are concrete..? I think RAAC was more like 60s 70s era.. my guess it relates to the steelwork. Corrosion protection (paint) requires regular maintenace - 15 years service life would be optimistic before it needed renewing.

Raac was used for concrete ceilings and what not not structural columns ,not sure whether the bl is steel framed or reinforced concrete like the south ,there must be a problem in the fixings from the newish cantilever on there ,bettis could have explained it much better or even have the ground maintainace manger on to explain.

 

[Bladeloyal]

RAAC was still being used in the late 90s for floors and ceilings and has a life of around 30 years, which is why it came to mind.

You can bet your house on McCabe using RAAC for the floors if it was cheaper, it would also explain why it’s the upper tier and not the lower that’s closed.

They won’t want to mention RAAC (if it is that) as they’ll need a full risk assessment of the rest of the ground and god knows what that will bring up.

McCabe didn't build the bl upper ,he had the roof altered when the Westfield corner went up cantilevered it and took the vertical steel supports out .

 

[Tickhill]

I was wondering if allocating upper tier to away fans only in future is part of club thinking. Keeping it closed unless there's a large away following will save money

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Absolute nonsense - I have more than a little knowledge of structural engineering - nothing much has changed in 20 odd years. We might have adopted Eurocodes instead of British Standards (well, I havent!) but that would make f*ck all difference to how you would design it in principle. Im guessing it need mainenance (corrosion protection). Or maybe theyve reviewed the original design or had an interim inspection for some reason and have found some defect or suchlike and they are concerned about it. There are a lot of connections on the main roof truss that sits above the roof covering

I'm only repeating what the CEO said live on RS.

 

[Hallamboy87]

Its CW's fault. Gerrim out of our club!! he had all summer to fix the roof. What was he doing? Watching the world cup to scout for players who know about the British culture and this football club

 

[KMC-1889]

I was wondering if allocating upper tier to away fans only in future is part of club thinking. Keeping it closed unless there's a large away following will save money

Don’t think they can, there’s a rule about away fans having to be next to the pitch.

Although Newcastle have been breaking that rule for as long as I can remember.

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Isn't that just a prem rule? The porkers sometimes have the lower tier of the lepers lane end. Disgusting favouritism regarding Newcastle and how nothing has been done to enforce the rule. Same with Everton, got away with having wooden flooring in the away section for years as the excuse was that they were on the verge of moving to a new stadium.

 

[bxb]

I'm only repeating what the CEO said live on RS.

Hi Chip.. I meant his statement was nonsense (or Ill informed). .Not your comment, no offence intended..sorry if it came across that way

 

[RandomBlade]

Don’t think they can, there’s a rule about away fans having to be next to the pitch.

Although Newcastle have been breaking that rule for as long as I can remember.

Would you care to provide evedince of said rule?

 

[RandomBlade]

Question for bettis

He answered the question.

 

[Dkc]

Wasn't it built in the late 60's?

 

[s20Blade]

Is this to do with the bit that had the roof extension around 2005?

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

New girders over and above....old girder under with supporting pole.

 

[Champagneblade]

Growing up me and my Dad used to sit in the family stand on John Street. When that got knocked down we briefly transferred to the South Stand then back to JSS.

I went on the Kop a few times for Cup games but wasn’t a huge fan though that might have been before seating. Maybe once I’ve been in there seated but wasn’t a fan of it though on later life I realise it’s probably because I should have got glasses for far off viewing!

Last few times I’ve visited I’ve aimed for the Westfield Corner or whatever it’s called this season. When my daughter came with me we watched all four matches last November from BLUT.

I probably left thinking those latter two gave the best views as it feels more panoramic.

I’m trying to engineer a similar visit in November this year. Not obvious where we’ll sit unless we can get in the corner stand.

What is that Capacity now then?

 

[Champagneblade]

Answering my own question:

The figures don’t fully reconcile so perhaps some get lost due to segregation or restricted view.

Stand / section Approx. capacity

Shoreham Street Kop 10,221

Tony Currie South Stand 7,500

John Street Stand 7,000

HE Barnes Bramall Lane Stand — upper and lower tiers combined 5,680

John Street Corner (between Kop and John Street) 900

Bramall Lane Corner (between South and HE Barnes stands) 2,000

Sum of these individual estimates 33,301

Published stadium capacity 31,884

If we work on published capacity then 31,884, losing the entire HE Barnes stand gives you 26,204 home seats. Then the lower tier holds 2,990, so total capacity now is 29,194 and obviously the 2,990 can fluctuate a fair bit at this level.

 

[Bladeloyal]

He answered the quest

Don’t think they can, there’s a rule about away fans having to be next to the pitch.

Although Newcastle have been breaking that rule for as long as I can remember.

Sunderland ,they also pinch your loose change

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Had a dream last night we built a third tier on the Bramall Lane end... omen?

Hope they put some escalators in. Kills me walking up there as it is .

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

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New girders over and above....old girder under with supporting pole.

I’ve always thought that would be Solution to the kop pillars.
Put larger ones at each end, where they don’t block views. Supporting frame above the kop roof, sat on the new pillars. Then remove exiting ones.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Don’t think they can, there’s a rule about away fans having to be next to the pitch.

Although Newcastle have been breaking that rule for as long as I can remember.

QPR, millwall?