bloody hell refs

[Champagneblade]

This shows how numb the EFL are.

initially appointed Keith Stroud to their game with Blackburn. Stroud was born and brought up in Bournemouth (though states he's a Luton fan). Absolutely no conflict there then!

But it's ok. They've replaced him with this chap:

Blackburn Rovers v AFC Bournemouth (15:00)
ROBERT JONES
Richard Wild and Jonathan Hunt
Fourth Official : Carl Boyeson

Ring any bells?

 

[Champagneblade]

Mission accomplished for the bent so and so's...



General consensus that the officials gave Forest nothing all game.

 

[Champagneblade]

I now make that 15 decisions in their favour for a goal, penalty or sending off that were controversial.

In an absorbing and tense first half, Forest striker Sam Surridge hit the crossbar and had a strong penalty appeal ignored after an incorrect offside flag against him.

The forward was brought down by goalkeeper Mark Travers as he tried to round him, but the foul was waved away as the flag was already up.

"They have put their hands up and owned up to a huge error," he said. "It doesn't really help but at least they had the courtesy to own up to the decision that they made."

It's not even funny anymore and this after being allowed to postpone a game when they had injuries due to wind damage. How bent can it get?

 

[LS16Blade]

Notable that the highlights reel put out by the EFL doesn’t include the ’non-penalty’ decision, despite the fact that most match reports and post-match interviews, reference that incident as the key one in the match.

Also notable that, for this match, a Premier League referee (Atwell) with a long history of unfathomable decisions was appointed.

Professional football teams in the same division are generally well matched and the majority of matches are tight and will turn on 2 or 3 pivotal incidents which more often than not will fall in the domain of the match officials.

It’s naive to think that a business like football - ie one which is awash with money - could be immune to influence and manipulation, but the egregious assistance that Bournemouth have benefited from all season is scandalous.

 

[Champagneblade]

It's almost as if some past incident, let's call it say, a 'ghost goal' was totally mishandled or ignored, only for later on the impact felt at the season's end. Now the football authorities wish to right this wrong subversely, and over a whole season, through a series of controversially interpreted incidents.

The irony of this of course is that it was us who were initially wronged and something which could have changed the direction of our own season. Rather then feeling that we hadn't got into it when we played so poorly at Newcastle, we could have felt back into our stride. The dead rubber at Southampton might have had more significance and a differing end result due to this. We would have been 'in the mix' for Europe longer and the impact this had on us and also teams chasing could have been very different. All conjecture but certainly you can't say not being given the 'w' when we scored a legit goal can't be overlooked.

I'm all for righting wrongs but when it isn't possible without causing further injury to other wronged parties then that's simply not right.

Villa should have gone down. Or at least been put in a more precarious position. Giving Bournemouth a continual leg up isn't the solution.

 

[LS16Blade]

The big concern now for the 3 clubs that contest the play-offs alongside Forest, has to be the very real possibility that Forest will be ‘paid back’ somewhere along the line.

Atwell, who is the Premier League’s ‘useful idiot‘ - after all, how else would he be in the top rank of match officials given that from the very start of his career he was notorious for making absolute howlers of wrong decisions - apparently apologised to Cooper after the match, and Cooper - perfectly understandably in furthering his own club’s interests - has made that fact public.

The fact that Forest were wronged in their pivotal promotion match is now out there in the open and, importantly, is out there in the minds of the officials who referee Forest’s upcoming play-off matches.

 

[Bladesince59]

Spoilt the entire game - and Forest's season.

 

[Blade56]

Like it or hate it VAR needs to be used in Championship games due the the importance and money involved. Last night the PL ref and Lino without VAR made two decisions that were wrong and potentially worth £100 million.

1. Was Surrige offside? No, but Lino thought he was
2. Was Surrige tripped for a penalty? Yes, but in the refs opinion it didn’t matter because he gave the offside.
VAR does give the officials a chance to re examine fast real time decisions.

I spent years in lower league football as a referee and it’s a thankless difficult job. Without VAR it comes down to what you are taught in referee qualification, the rules always start (or used too) with “in the referees opinion”.

So, you can only give what you see or, what you thought you saw. VAR gives you the chance to change your mind. try it in everyday life, how many times did you think you saw something but were wrong, it happens.

 

[biggiesablade]

Like it or hate it VAR needs to be used in Championship games due the the importance and money involved. Last night the PL ref and Lino without VAR made two decisions that were wrong and potentially worth £100 million.

1. Was Surrige offside? No, but Lino thought he was
2. Was Surrige tripped for a penalty? Yes, but in the refs opinion it didn’t matter because he gave the offside.
VAR does give the officials a chance to re examine fast real time decisions.

I spent years in lower league football as a referee and it’s a thankless difficult job. Without VAR it comes down to what you are taught in referee qualification, the rules always start (or used too) with “in the referees opinion”.

So, you can only give what you see or, what you thought you saw. VAR gives you the chance to change your mind. try it in everyday life, how many times did you think you saw something but were wrong, it happens.

Think with a few common sense tweaks and a step back from forensically scrutinising the smallest details it would be mint. Would definitely of helped us this season

 

[brownblade]

Like it or hate it VAR needs to be used in Championship games due the the importance and money involved. Last night the PL ref and Lino without VAR made two decisions that were wrong and potentially worth £100 million.

1. Was Surrige offside? No, but Lino thought he was
2. Was Surrige tripped for a penalty? Yes, but in the refs opinion it didn’t matter because he gave the offside.
VAR does give the officials a chance to re examine fast real time decisions.

I spent years in lower league football as a referee and it’s a thankless difficult job. Without VAR it comes down to what you are taught in referee qualification, the rules always start (or used too) with “in the referees opinion”.

So, you can only give what you see or, what you thought you saw. VAR gives you the chance to change your mind. try it in everyday life, how many times did you think you saw something but were wrong, it happens.

I'm still in the camp of each team getting 3 appeals (or similar) like in tennis. And reviews limited to 20 second glances (or similar).

VAR would/could be good, but generally too slow, inconsistent and badly utilised.

Being a ref/assistant ref is impossible in the age of endless replays.

 

[NuddysGloves]

I'm still in the camp of each team getting 3 appeals (or similar) like in tennis. And reviews limited to 20 second glances (or similar).

VAR would/could be good, but generally too slow, inconsistent and badly utilised.

Being a ref/assistant ref is impossible in the age of endless replays.

How would an appeal system work though? I get it if the ball goes out of play etc but what if Team A's player is tripped for a penalty but it isn't given and Team B take possession of the ball, Team A wants to appeal but when do you stop the game? You can't stop it whilst Team B have the ball because what if they're on the break and the no penalty decision was actually correct?

Also there is enough time wasting in the game already without teams with two appeals left using them in the last 3 minutes for no reason but to slow the game down.

 

[brownblade]

How would an appeal system work though? I get it if the ball goes out of play etc but what if Team A's player is tripped for a penalty but it isn't given and Team B take possession of the ball, Team A wants to appeal but when do you stop the game? You can't stop it whilst Team B have the ball because what if they're on the break and the no penalty decision was actually correct?

Also there is enough time wasting in the game already without teams with two appeals left using them in the last 3 minutes for no reason but to slow the game down.

Fair questions. And i hate timewasting overall - more bookings and red cards are needed for that (as well as diving).

 

[NuddysGloves]

Fair questions. And i hate timewasting overall - more bookings and red cards are needed for that (as well as diving).

Fully agree, retrospective yellow cards should be applied for time wasting and cheating. Pisses me off when a player goes down screaming holding just below their knee but the replay shows they took a slight knock on their foot, or when a high boot goes near their face and they drop down holding their chin pretending there has been contact. Impossible for the ref to be sure at the time but with the cameras we have they should give yellow cards after the game, these would accumulate and players would start missing matches through suspension.

 

[brownblade]

Fully agree, retrospective yellow cards should be applied for time wasting and cheating. Pisses me off when a player goes down screaming holding just below their knee but the replay shows they took a slight knock on their foot, or when a high boot goes near their face and they drop down holding their chin pretending there has been contact. Impossible for the ref to be sure at the time but with the cameras we have they should give yellow cards after the game, these would accumulate and players would start missing matches through suspension.

100%

A lot of players would also miss bonuses etc as well as missing matches. Again, solid rules and system is required to implement this.

 

[jt64]

Fair questions. And i hate timewasting overall - more bookings and red cards are needed for that (as well as diving).

Or they could just actually add on time that is legitimately wasted?

 

[brownblade]

Or they could just actually add on time that is legitimately wasted?

Yes and no. It's essentially cheating. Why for example, should fans miss their trains etc for opposition players trying to cheat them?

How many teams have you seen timewaste in the first half?! Needs clamping down on for practical reasons and for impacting the match as a spectacle/free flowing game. Can't realistically add 10 minutes each half.

 

[tincan]

Notable that the highlights reel put out by the EFL doesn’t include the ’non-penalty’ decision, despite the fact that most match reports and post-match interviews, reference that incident as the key one in the match.

Also notable that, for this match, a Premier League referee (Atwell) with a long history of unfathomable decisions was appointed.

Professional football teams in the same division are generally well matched and the majority of matches are tight and will turn on 2 or 3 pivotal incidents which more often than not will fall in the domain of the match officials.

It’s naive to think that a business like football - ie one which is awash with money - could be immune to influence and manipulation, but the egregious assistance that Bournemouth have benefited from all season is scandalous.

The fact Bournemouth with gates of 9000 in the PL can get there is dubious enough, but what undermines their achievements for me is their association with Happy Harry Bunga Bungaknapp.

 

[1889]

I always thought it was very strange that when Bournemouth got unjustly relegated from the Premier League, that they didn’t even mention the PGMOL’s responsibility for their downfall, let alone commence legal proceedings?

As things turned out it was the perfect storm, for a huge footballing story, Villa wrongly awarded an a additional point, due to the incompetence of the match officials and apparent failure of much lauded goal line technology. Then, just a few weeks later, Bournemouth finished on the same points and went down on goal difference, it was the very worst scenario for the Premier League and it’s worldwide brand and no doubt one they’d anticipated and planned for.

But despite this being arguably the biggest football scandal in Premier League history, resulting in an unjust loss of revenue, approaching £100 million, it was never even mentioned?

I remember watching Soccer Saturday on Sky, as the final results came in and Bournemouth were relegated on goal difference. Not one person mentioned Villas unearned point, that in reality had relegated them. Out of all their pundits, chosen for their vast footballing knowledge, it apparently had not occurred to a single one of them that the PGMOL had relegated a football team from the richest league in the world! I watched MOTD and again, not a single mention of it? Surely it would be the lead story in the media, but there was nothing? I thought at the time that there was something very suspicious going on, it was like an agreed contrived silence to preserve the credibility of the Premier League and the PGMOL.

It was reported that Bournemouth had a board meeting to discuss their options, no doubt after contact with the EPL and effectively decided, ‘not to make a fuss’

Who knows, perhaps the inconceivable and unprecedented amount of refereeing decisions that have gone their way this season, resulting in their promotion back to the Premier League, was as a result of that meeting or maybe it was just Karma?

 

[Davalon]

Some paranoia on here.

Some officials aren't up to the job imho but it's also a difficult job.

I was unsure about a couple of offsides in my lads game on Sunday and I was in line.

I'm struggling to see there's a reffing conspiracy to get Bornmuff back to the PL.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Some paranoia on here.

Some officials aren't up to the job imho but it's also a difficult job.

I was unsure about a couple of offsides in my lads game on Sunday and I was in line.

I'm struggling to see there's a reffing conspiracy to get Bornmuff back to the PL.

Poor old Sheffield United - everyone is against us, we never get any decisions, Christ - this thread must be gold for onlooking Pigs.

 

[Dkc]

Wasn't it the linesman who wrongly flagged for offside in the Bournemouth game?

I agree that whoever refs Forest's Play Off games will be aware that they were hard done to in this game, but you can't say it cost them a place in the PL. Bournemouth would have played a more attacking game if they were 1-0 down.

 

[Antonb]

i watched the game and Bournemouth were the better side , 2nd half in particular. And they might not of scored the pen if they got it. Shit happens. You don't get lucky over 40 odd games.

 

[Champagneblade]

Some paranoia on here.

Some officials aren't up to the job imho but it's also a difficult job.

I was unsure about a couple of offsides in my lads game on Sunday and I was in line.

I'm struggling to see there's a reffing conspiracy to get Bornmuff back to the PL.

There's a significant game changing decisions in, on average 1 in 3 of their matches in their favour. Doesn't this seem awfully high? Plus when you look at the games they appear in - twice vs Fulham, twice (well 3x) vs us, twice vs Swansea, once vs Middlesborough, once vs Forest, once vs West Brom. Direct game changing decisions against 6 of the top 9 bookies favorites (one of which being Bournemouth themselves).

If you were going to fiddle it their way, this is how you'd go about it.

 

[MobileBlade]

Like it or hate it VAR needs to be used in Championship games due the the importance and money involved. Last night the PL ref and Lino without VAR made two decisions that were wrong and potentially worth £100 million.

1. Was Surrige offside? No, but Lino thought he was
2. Was Surrige tripped for a penalty? Yes, but in the refs opinion it didn’t matter because he gave the offside.
VAR does give the officials a chance to re examine fast real time decisions.

I spent years in lower league football as a referee and it’s a thankless difficult job. Without VAR it comes down to what you are taught in referee qualification, the rules always start (or used too) with “in the referees opinion”.

So, you can only give what you see or, what you thought you saw. VAR gives you the chance to change your mind. try it in everyday life, how many times did you think you saw something but were wrong, it happens.

I think there is plans to bring in VAR "Lite" or something into Championship next year. Its currently going through IFB approvals. Interestingly, most of the other major countries do have a lighter version of VAR in the 2nd divisions now.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Spoilt the entire game - and Forest's season.

Nope we will spoil their season

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

The reason that Bournemouth got automatic promotion is purely down to the massive investment they made in the January transfer window,it bolstered an already capable squad and more or less assured promotion.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

The reason Bournemouth got promoted is because they finished 2nd like we did in 2018/29. Not because of some conspiracy to get them promoted ahead of others.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

The reason Bournemouth got promoted is because they finished 2nd like we did in 2018/29. Not because of some conspiracy to get them promoted ahead of others.

There isnt a conspiracy its just they have been very forunate to have Inept referees bottling every decision they have to make in there games

The MGW stone wall penalty and the penalty two yards out of the box in both our games = about 4points

Plus the bottle job of a ref last night and the linesmen who gave an offside when it was a yard onside

So yes if the refs did there job Bournemouth may have not got autos , its not a conspiracy but they don't even themselves out over a season that is tosh

 

[Stretch]

It's beyond a joke how lucky Bournemouth have been this season. Our game down there was a complete farce in terms of decisions along with numerous other examples. They also seem to have benefitted from a number of fergie time goals, when noone could fathom where the additional time had come from.

It certainly appears that forces have conspired behind the scenes to get them promoted.

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

Wasn't aware till earlier when heard it mentioned on the radio that Steve Cooper is the son of Keith Cooper former 90s prem referee.