Blatant, apologetic plea time

[Sean Thornton]

Let's say you were a big fan of Justin Beiber, you had all his albums and were a member of his fan club. You'd seen him play loads of times over the years. Your devotion pays its rewards when he announces a small gig at the Lyceum. Only 2,000 tickets are available but you are one of the lucky ones - you get the opportunity to buy a ticket!

Come the day of the concert, it turns out you can't go. But your mate, also a mad Bieber fan (but not in the official fan club and therefore not eligible for a ticket) tells you that he would really love to go. By your logic, you wouldn't sell the ticket to your mate. Instead, you would return it so it would go to a more deserving "Belieber"

He wouldn't be a Belieber if he wasn't in the fan club so fuck him. ( you cheeky get, JB indeed)

 

[Sean Thornton]

The bastards seem to have wiped off my 'loyalty' points from 1958,59,60 etc....... or don't they count ?

Like you Doc, I believe only my own opinions count, so I don't care.

 

[Ranmoorblade]

Nothing wrong with asking, it's dog eat dog in this world, nothing much is fair.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

It's a bit naive to think this doesn't happen all the time anyway, groups of fans, one can't go, gives up ticket for another mate.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

Like you Doc, I believe only my own opinions count, so I don't care.

I am older than you,so my opinions trump yours !!

 

[Rodders]

The Loyalty Points scheme has been going for 10 years, so a 10 year rolling total seems a fair as you can way of separating people; as the years go on, it may well look more likely it's the same people being able to get first dibs on tickets - which is fair enough, but it should be made so that people aren't disadvantaged by age etc - 10 years seems a good barometer of "loyalty" to me.

 

[Sean Thornton]

No ones suggesting it doesn't happen of course it does but when it comes up on a forum why shouldn't people comment, especially if they feel they are being bypassed.

It seems as Blades we like to bang on about the notion of fair play a hell of a lot when it affects us but don't give a monkeys when it's relating to our own personal situations.

I have no issue with Worksop asking but don't see why I and others shouldn't comment.

And a pint, come on.......

 

[Sean Thornton]

I am older than you,so my opinions trump yours !!

Cap doffed Sir!

 

[wizadry]

But people die and others stop going for a multitude of reasons so there will be a natural churn, thing is if you start knocking off years you are then punishing people who went away in the very lean years (circa 2008-2015) when there was zilch demand for away tickets.

I've just had a chat with my son and at 12 years old he says he's not waiting for every fucker to die, not in those exact words though.

Seriously, good points and as I said it's hard to be fair to everyone but it could do with tweaking slightly.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I like how the system rewards people's longevity of support, but at some point we'll end up in a situation where the entire end at Pigs away is taken up by OAPs because they've had longer to accrue "points".

Not moaning, just being a dick for the sake of it.

Thats bollocks my daughter is 28 years old and shes got 46k loyalty points

 

[nopigfansintown]

After a spare customer number for pigs game asap.

Gonna forfeit my ticket for my 14 year old unless I can obtain one more.

Last gasp plea if anyone has 42,500 plus points I can use today, so I can go with him and his brother.

Happy to get you a pint tonight/Saturday.

I know many will frown on this but really don't want to miss .

Cheers

I posted this on another thread in response to the question "how do little uns ever get enough points?". I've given my ticket to my 13 yr old, satisfied that Chansiri hasn't got the full price.Next year it will go to my daughter. I'd love to take them but...

If your looking for a timescale: my two young uns have had a season tickets since the relegation season and done around 70% of away games since then. They have also been to all home cup ties/ preseason games. They have over 30,000 points (less than 35,000). I think with away tickets becoming scarcer - as we continue to rise up the leagues, - it will be even harder to catch up.Unless there's a cut off for points being valid (say 5-10 years?), it will only get tougher. You could have someone using points they earned in 05 to get a ticket in 2050 at this rate.The loyalty point system was brought in ostensibly to incentivise current ticket sales. It's hard to see an incentive for new young fans except getting tickets for games that don't sell out, home cup ties, or wembley dates.They'll be adults by the time they've caught up.

 

[Northyorksblade]

My grandson is 17 and has 35,000 despite having given up his ST two years ago when he went to live in Spain. Had he not, he would have 40,000.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

I posted this on another thread in response to the question "how do little uns ever get enough points?". I've given my ticket to my 13 yr old, satisfied that Chansiri hasn't got the full price.Next year it will go to my daughter. I'd love to take them but...

If your looking for a timescale: my two young uns have had a season tickets since the relegation season and done around 70% of away games since then. They have also been to all home cup ties/ preseason games. They have over 30,000 points (less than 35,000). I think with away tickets becoming scarcer - as we continue to rise up the leagues, - it will be even harder to catch up.Unless there's a cut off for points being valid (say 5-10 years?), it will only get tougher. You could have someone using points they earned in 05 to get a ticket in 2050 at this rate.The loyalty point system was brought in ostensibly to incentivise current ticket sales. It's hard to see an incentive for new young fans except getting tickets for games that don't sell out, home cup ties, or wembley dates.They'll be adults by the time they've caught up.

Cheers. My 14 year old is on 34k and 18 year old on 45k. Both have ST and go away to many games with me. Youngest had ST since @ age 8 and so the only other difference in his game history compared to me and other lad is very occasional mid week away (like Oxford last year) he didn't make due to school. He is there tonight with us as he was at Cardiff and the likes of Bristol Rovers and Shrewsbury last year, midweek.
Not a game picker at all hence why he gets mine and I don't go to the sty if I cannot get another.
I know we're far from unique in all this but a bit of clarity in case needed.
Cheers

 

[spongebobblade]

This will only be the case if the said OAP's continue to accrue points from away matches. The young un's will soon pass us OAP's if they attend sufficient away matches. My youngest now has more points than me because he goes to every away game even though I have had a season ticket longer, I don't go to as many away from the lane.

I do think it should be on some sort of 5 year rolling cycle though. My lad has been home and away since he started working 2 years ago and had a season ticket for the last 9 years but will probably struggle for the derby as he did for Northampton last year. He gets it and before long he will have enough points to move up into the next bracketUTB

But then everyone else moves up to the next bracket as well. The only way the young uns will "soon pass" the OAPs is if the OAPs stop going. My daughter has been to almost 40 away games over the last 2 seasons. She has acquired points on 25-30 of these where possible and used others points when the tickets are less available yet has made little impression on moving up the ladder.
Let's say Foxy doesn't use his influence and the little one wants to go. How on earth is she ever meant to catch up? It doesn't need a mass revamp but it needs a rolling system. Those who go week in week out would surely still have nothing to worry about

 

[spongebobblade]

Cheers. My 14 year old is on 34k and 18 year old on 45k. Both have ST and go away to many games with me. Youngest had ST since @ age 8 and so the only other difference in his game history compared to me and other lad is very occasional mid week away (like Oxford last year) he didn't make due to school. He is there tonight with us as he was at Cardiff and the likes of Bristol Rovers and Shrewsbury last year, midweek.
Not a game picker at all hence why he gets mine and I don't go to the sty if I cannot get another.
I know we're far from unique in all this but a bit of clarity in case needed.
Cheers

Exactly.
34,000 is a healthy total for a 14 year old but he is still light years away from catching up with the rest of us at the top. There has to be a tweaking of the system

 

[Houston_Blade]

I've been to 10 games in the last 5 season and I've got over 30k points so the system is somewhat flawed. It's only an issue in small allocation, large demand games where the system is broadly working. These kids you're talking about will easily catch up with others in time though as there will be people like me who once upon a time would have been first in line who slip down the pecking order and those just renewing ST's and not going to away matches will get caught up easily. Frustrating but in the end it's the best option to reward loyalty.

 

[Rodders]

But then everyone else moves up to the next bracket as well. The only way the young uns will "soon pass" the OAPs is if the OAPs stop going. My daughter has been to almost 40 away games over the last 2 seasons. She has acquired points on 25-30 of these where possible and used others points when the tickets are less available yet has made little impression on moving up the ladder.
Let's say Foxy doesn't use his influence and the little one wants to go. How on earth is she ever meant to catch up? It doesn't need a mass revamp but it needs a rolling system. Those who go week in week out would surely still have nothing to worry about

This. Clearly the priority must lie with those that go week in week out, and there are examples of teenagers with 30k + points, so it can be done BUT.. it would be interesting to see a % breakdown of the Loyalty Points of attenders at games; as time goes on my suspicion is that the % of those with the higher points is getting higher - which would lead to problems in, say 5 years time if the only the same people are becoming eligible for tickets before they sell out.

My suggestion would be a 10 year rolling period, so those that go regularly are eligible, but it also allows a little leeway for people to catch-up.

 

[robbiez666]

Surely, if you're going home and regularly away you'll quickly catch up the majority who just go to home games?

One of the big clubs (Man U, maybe) do a lottery system for away games. I know an Arsenal fan who has to go to every single home and away game (including Europe) in order to guarantee a season ticket or tickets for the big games.

 

[Blackheath Blade]

I like how the system rewards people's longevity of support, but at some point we'll end up in a situation where the entire end at Pigs away is taken up by OAPs because they've had longer to accrue "points".

Not moaning, just being a dick for the sake of it.

Maybe. But at least us old uns won't try and smash up every concourse we visit and act fuckin stupid

 

[Blackheath Blade]

All joking apart and putting the many loyalty points issues aside for a minute, this problem has stemmed from Wednesday's decision to allocate a much reduced number of tickets.
I've never had a problem in getting a ticket for the derby games before because of the allocation of @ 5/6k. As things stand, I have over 32000 points but I won't get a sniff of a ticket. I won't lose sleep over it though same as the game at Northampton last season.
I do agree with many on here that the system needs a review to accommodate younger fans who are lagging far behind the required points levels to get away tickets nowadays.

 

[Paisley Blade]

I think anyone who bought a ST in Adkins' season should be given 10,000 LP.

Keep going.

 

[fireblade]

Would it be feasible to award loyalty points for away games where the allocation is not sold out (ie where loyalty is actually demonstrated) but deduct points for over subscribed matches.
If fans attending this years Derby or other high demand games had say 2500 points deducted then those missing out this season would have a chance the following match.

 

[1066blade]

How come whenever I fancy going up for a "top game" my brother in law who "knows people" gets me a ticket know probs.? Happened for Northampton, MK Dons away last season, and he's just asked me if I fancy the Derby next week?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I've got no problem with people buying tickets for others if they can't go themselves. If you have earned a right to a ticket, you have a right to offer it to a mate. Loyalty points aren't the only indicator or how deserving you are of a ticket. I'm a former ST holder who now lives abroad, get to as many games as I can, but have eff-all loyalty points. However, if the points system had started back to 1978 I'd have more than most. People jump the queue for all kinds of reasons - maybe they know a club employee, a player, or someone with a corporate box. Should players be forced to give their derby tickets to those with the most loyalty points as opposed to their mates?

I believe that that actually contravenes the Ts & Cs of the buying a ticket and/or season ticket etc

I could be wrong but I'm sure that is the case

 

[Davalon]

There's no perfect system.

Many of us will have issues for away games with smaller allocations. I'll be sat on my own at the Pigs and Forest due to mates with different points brackets.

Likewise I can't take my 11 year old because he's a few thousand short for these games.

Whatever the situation some will always manage to queue jump.

 

[Canterbury Blade]

Three main ways to get a ticket.

1. Go to loads of games and have a season ticket
2. Know someone who does or someone connected...
3. Sit in the away end

Like in life you either graft, know someone or compromise...

No one will win and there will never be an entirely fair system.

I could go on about mileage points (704 last weekend to Sunderland) and 408 to a home game. But know that don't matter either.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

How come whenever I fancy going up for a "top game" my brother in law who "knows people" gets me a ticket know probs.? Happened for Northampton, MK Dons away last season, and he's just asked me if I fancy the Derby next week?

Is he Chris Wilder ?