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Good to have you back chaps!

Completely understand why you’ve not done a pod, there’s basically nowt to talk about.

On that note, wheeerrz pre-season predictions pod?!
 
Gimli said:
Good to have you back chaps!

Completely understand why you’ve not done a pod, there’s basically nowt to talk about.

On that note, wheeerrz pre-season predictions pod?!
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I think we did it after the transfer window last season, so we're aiming for that this year. Doesn't seem worthwhile when so much of the team could still change.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Have we moved away from that style of management though?

No Director of Football appointed, which was supposed to be the great leap forward towards the “modern and better” way of doing things.

Wilder’s mate Jamie Hoyland reappointed as Chief Scout when the grand plan according to some was to get away from the “Bladey” recruitment system. (I personally don’t mind an experienced and proven “Bladey” human being in charge of recruitment rather than some unknown new bloke and an investor with an interest in AI)

Selles reportedly saying that we are mostly looking at loans and free transfers to improve the squad. Why? Are we Sheffield Wednesday? We might as well be. At least the last manager was allowed to reinvest some of the funds he raised through sales (Osula) Maybe not under the new regime? (Souza)

The main undeniable change is the unnecessary risk of replacing a manager with 5 promotions on his CV with a manager more associated with teams avoiding relegation (apart from when he got relegated with Southampton).

I hope it all works out and any change can initially seem exciting compared with sticking to the same routine but has anything really changed much other than the manager? We might’ve well have kept or recruited a proven manager if that was all we were changing.
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Unless Wilder's mate Bettis changes his dinosaur attitude don't expect a Director of Football any time soon. We need some one at the club, ideally on the board, who has football experience at a much higher level than we are used to and can take the alleged "modernising" forward in a more proactive manner. I for one would love to know who presently is advising our new owners on "modernisation" and how to achieve the stated goal of being an established Premier League club.
 
Weearz chip butty wagers

Edit: you answered this 2 posts ago.
Revised question is there a pre opening match pod coming? I've hammered the blades content this week and run dry with over 24 hours to go it's a terrible disaster.
 
Hello S2, Roygbiv and I have done our first pod of the new season, where we talk around the Bristol City defeat rather than about it in any great detail - plus the Ahmedhodzic sale, a need to get our finger out in the transfer market, the league cup and a few other bits. Cheers for listening if you do!



DI36O said:
Weearz chip butty wagers

Edit: you answered this 2 posts ago.
Revised question is there a pre opening match pod coming? I've hammered the blades content this week and run dry with over 24 hours to go it's a terrible disaster.
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Apologies - I was away last week and only got back the day before the game, so didn't have chance to do any pre-match stuff beyond the ep from the week before.
 
I've been listening since the start (Ben & Jay), but in the last few years I have always felt my views were similar to Roygbiv, (but maybe I'm a bit more like his grumpy dad), but I have never felt so out of touch with the two of you.

I'm amazed you are both so dismissive of the shitshow, that was our first game, and even more stunned you saw an 'excellent 20 minutes'. It's okay saying this will all be forgotten after 5 or 6 games, but I don't see it like that and I genuinely think we will be in the shit, if RS continues to play like this.

I was also disappointed by Ben's dismissal of Anel's time with us, primarily it seemed, for his refusual to wear rainbow laces. In the same way that people like Ben are free to show their support for gay rights, people are equally free not to. Whether it was religous reasons or not, it is still Anel's personal choice and he shouldn't be bullied into doing something he isn't comfortable with.
 
I should coco said:
I've been listening since the start (Ben & Jay), but in the last few years I have always felt my views were similar to Roygbiv, (but maybe I'm a bit more like his grumpy dad), but I have never felt so out of touch with the two of you.

I'm amazed you are both so dismissive of the shitshow, that was our first game, and even more stunned you saw an 'excellent 20 minutes'. It's okay saying this will all be forgotten after 5 or 6 games, but I don't see it like that and I genuinely think we will be in the shit, if RS continues to play like this.

I was also disappointed by Ben's dismissal of Anel's time with us, primarily it seemed, for his refusual to wear rainbow laces. In the same way that people like Ben are free to show their support for gay rights, people are equally free not to. Whether it was religous reasons or not, it is still Anel's personal choice and he shouldn't be bullied into doing something he isn't comfortable with.
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I can't really agree on the Anel rainbow laces thing, as it did leave a bitter taste in my mouth at the time as well. I can't say it ever affected my opinion of him outside of that isolated situation.

I do agree on how that defensive performance was dismissed as a one off though, and I do also usually see things pretty much the same as Roy/Andrew. There seemed to be a view that if we'd not conceded those goals and managed to get a result, then no one would be questioning it. I can't get on board with that. Even if we'd won that game 1-0 and not conceded at all, there would have been massive questions over how easy they got through us, and how bad the shape was from a defensive point of view.
 
Working Class Hero said:
I can't really agree on the Anel rainbow laces thing, as it did leave a bitter taste in my mouth at the time as well. I can't say it ever affected my opinion of him outside of that isolated situation.

I do agree on how that defensive performance was dismissed as a one off though, and I do also usually see things pretty much the same as Roy/Andrew. There seemed to be a view that if we'd not conceded those goals and managed to get a result, then no one would be questioning it. I can't get on board with that. Even if we'd won that game 1-0 and not conceded at all, there would have been massive questions over how easy they got through us, and how bad the shape was from a defensive point of view.
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So if you can't agree, do you think that Anel should have been forced to wear rainbow laces? Surely that would be the ultimate in virtue signalling; doing something that you don't agree with, just becasue everyone else is doing it? Or do you think he should have been dropped for not doing it?

These are genuine questions, as I'm benused by how other people think 'popular causes' should always be supported and overide any deeply held personal views.
 
I should coco said:
I was also disappointed by Ben's dismissal of Anel's time with us, primarily it seemed, for his refusual to wear rainbow laces. In the same way that people like Ben are free to show their support for gay rights, people are equally free not to. Whether it was religous reasons or not, it is still Anel's personal choice and he shouldn't be bullied into doing something he isn't comfortable with.
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He was absolutely free not to wear the rainbow armband... but that same freedom applies to people who are free to think less of him for it.
 

I should coco said:
So if you can't agree, do you think that Anel should have been forced to wear rainbow laces? Surely that would be the ultimate in virtue signalling; doing something that you don't agree with, just becasue everyone else is doing it? Or do you think he should have been dropped for not doing it?

These are genuine questions, as I'm benused by how other people think 'popular causes' should always be supported and overide any deeply held personal views.
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No, I think everyone should be free to do whatever they please, and I certainly don't think anyone should be dropped for their personal views - this is football and none of that should matter on the pitch. Without wanting to get into a political debate though, the fact he didn't agree with it didn't sit well with me at the time, so therefore I can't really agree that I was disappointed about Ben's comment.
 
I should coco said:
I've been listening since the start (Ben & Jay), but in the last few years I have always felt my views were similar to Roygbiv, (but maybe I'm a bit more like his grumpy dad), but I have never felt so out of touch with the two of you.

I'm amazed you are both so dismissive of the shitshow, that was our first game, and even more stunned you saw an 'excellent 20 minutes'. It's okay saying this will all be forgotten after 5 or 6 games, but I don't see it like that and I genuinely think we will be in the shit, if RS continues to play like this.

I was also disappointed by Ben's dismissal of Anel's time with us, primarily it seemed, for his refusual to wear rainbow laces. In the same way that people like Ben are free to show their support for gay rights, people are equally free not to. Whether it was religous reasons or not, it is still Anel's personal choice and he shouldn't be bullied into doing something he isn't comfortable with.
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I should coco said:
I've been listening since the start (Ben & Jay), but in the last few years I have always felt my views were similar to Roygbiv, (but maybe I'm a bit more like his grumpy dad), but I have never felt so out of touch with the two of you.

I'm amazed you are both so dismissive of the shitshow, that was our first game, and even more stunned you saw an 'excellent 20 minutes'. It's okay saying this will all be forgotten after 5 or 6 games, but I don't see it like that and I genuinely think we will be in the shit, if RS continues to play like this.

I was also disappointed by Ben's dismissal of Anel's time with us, primarily it seemed, for his refusual to wear rainbow laces. In the same way that people like Ben are free to show their support for gay rights, people are equally free not to. Whether it was religous reasons or not, it is still Anel's personal choice and he shouldn't be bullied into doing something he isn't comfortable with.
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Working Class Hero said:
I can't really agree on the Anel rainbow laces thing, as it did leave a bitter taste in my mouth at the time as well. I can't say it ever affected my opinion of him outside of that isolated situation.

I do agree on how that defensive performance was dismissed as a one off though, and I do also usually see things pretty much the same as Roy/Andrew. There seemed to be a view that if we'd not conceded those goals and managed to get a result, then no one would be questioning it. I can't get on board with that. Even if we'd won that game 1-0 and not conceded at all, there would have been massive questions over how easy they got through us, and how bad the shape was from a defensive point of view.
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I absolutely think there are huge warning signs and if we play like that every week we will concede 100 goals. The reason I'm not too worried (yet) is because I don't think that will be the defence for the majority of the season and if we continue to concede goals, I think Selles will change how we set up as he did with Hull. They had the 4th best defensive record in the league under Selles so he's not this gung ho merchant that can't change tact. He was really defensive at Hull to the point where it was their fans main criticism of him. I think he wants to play in an attacking way but what happened at Hull suggests he's willing to change if things aren't working.

Until we sign defenders, I expect us to lose matches but I do also think there's a need for patience. If we are still losing games in the manner we did last week come October then serious questions will obviously be asked but the one proper game we've seen so far wasn't enough for me to think we're in for a poor season. Things have to improve but I think we have to give them time to improve. If things don't then I'll be angrier than anybody. I'm certainly not convinced things will be miles better in a few months but I think we have to give it a chance to improve.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Have we moved away from that style of management though?

No Director of Football appointed, which was supposed to be the great leap forward towards the “modern and better” way of doing things.

Wilder’s mate Jamie Hoyland reappointed as Chief Scout when the grand plan according to some was to get away from the “Bladey” recruitment system. (I personally don’t mind an experienced and proven “Bladey” human being in charge of recruitment rather than some unknown new bloke and an investor with an interest in AI)

Selles reportedly saying that we are mostly looking at loans and free transfers to improve the squad. Why? Are we Sheffield Wednesday? We might as well be. At least the last manager was allowed to reinvest some of the funds he raised through sales (Osula) Maybe not under the new regime? (Souza)

The main undeniable change is the unnecessary risk of replacing a manager with 5 promotions on his CV with a manager more associated with teams avoiding relegation (apart from when he got relegated with Southampton).

I hope it all works out and any change can initially seem exciting compared with sticking to the same routine but has anything really changed much other than the manager? We might’ve well have kept or recruited a proven manager if that was all we were changing.
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Sorry but I can’t help but come back to this so called change in philosophy and modernisation that we were “crying out for”.

Nothing has been changed for the better. No “Director of Football” appointed. So, no continuity when the latest manager inevitably gets the sack after 10 games or less.

The implementation of a new recruitment policy rhat the previous successful manager was (probably) sacked for raising concerns about.

Only to discover that the new unproven manager shares the same concerns but isn’t able to conjure positive results out of a less than ideal squad as his predecessor was.

No shots on target yesterday and three deserved defeats against three average Championship teams. Can anybody name one positive thing that has resulted from the change of manager?
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Sorry but I can’t help but come back to this so called change in philosophy and modernisation that we were “crying out for”.

Nothing has been changed for the better. No “Director of Football” appointed. So, no continuity when the latest manager inevitably gets the sack after 10 games or less.

The implementation of a new recruitment policy rhat the previous successful manager was (probably) sacked for raising concerns about.

Only to discover that the new unproven manager shares the same concerns but isn’t able to conjure positive results out of a less than ideal squad as his predecessor was.

No shots on target yesterday and three deserved defeats against three average Championship teams. Can anybody name one positive thing that has resulted from the change of manager?
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LIke last time, Wilder leaving has laid bare the underlying issues at the club. I'm still of the opinion moving away from the one man doing everything club is the right thing to do. The problem is we've replaced the man who did everything with a man who just some of what he did. Removing Wilder should have been the start of a whole new process. Bringing in a director of football, a technical director, a head of recruitment..... we've done none of that. All we've done is replace the manager.

People will naturally be looking over at Sunderland this morning thinking what might have been but we are in no position as a club to bring in the sort of players they have. We could have the richest backers in the world but the structure of the club would ensure we'd struggle to bring the right players in. Take a look at the people behind the scenes at Sunderland. They interviewed their technical director yesterday on Football Focus and they have a full recruitment team all working on signings. Who even is in charge of our recruitment?

Wilder was the best fit for the club in its current state but the decision to remove him isn't the big issue. It's that we removed him with no plan on how to progress without him. If we had gone up last season then we'd be looking at another sub 20 point season with or without Wilder because the club doesn't have any sort of structure to be successful. Selles might be a terrible appointment. He might improve or we might get someone else in who ensures it's a successful season. The fundamental issues will remain though that means we will never be anything more than a Championship club who has the odd terrible season in the Premier League
 
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Sothall_Blade said:
Sorry but I can’t help but come back to this so called change in philosophy and modernisation that we were “crying out for”.

Nothing has been changed for the better. No “Director of Football” appointed. So, no continuity when the latest manager inevitably gets the sack after 10 games or less.

The implementation of a new recruitment policy rhat the previous successful manager was (probably) sacked for raising concerns about.

Only to discover that the new unproven manager shares the same concerns but isn’t able to conjure positive results out of a less than ideal squad as his predecessor was.

No shots on target yesterday and three deserved defeats against three average Championship teams. Can anybody name one positive thing that has resulted from the change of manager?
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And sorry I missed your initial post first time around. You were and are absolutely spot on. Wilder leaving is only massive because of how we are set up as a club. Successful managers leave clubs all the time but they continue to thrive because there is more to them than just the manager. We are totally dictated by whether the coach is good enough or not. No successful club is ran that way
 
Roygbiv said:
And sorry I missed your initial post first time around. You were and are absolutely spot on. Wilder leaving is only massive because of how we are set up as a club. Successful managers leave clubs all the time but they continue to thrive because there is more to them than just the manager. We are totally dictated by whether the coach is good enough or not. No successful club is ran that way
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That's probably right, but then you have to put those things in place before sacking the manager (especially when he just got 92 points). It's not like he could never be sacked if we didn't do it at that exact moment. There would have come a time when the club has a different structure in place and/or things weren't going well under Wilder. To do it when they did with nothing else in place, and swap him for Selles, was pointless and stupid.
 
Working Class Hero said:
That's probably right, but then you have to put those things in place before sacking the manager (especially when he just got 92 points). It's not like he could never be sacked if we didn't do it at that exact moment. There would have come a time when the club has a different structure in place and/or things weren't going well under Wilder. To do it when they did with nothing else in place, and swap him for Selles, was pointless and stupid.
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Totally agree. I was actually excited to some degree when he went purely because it looked like we were going with a whole new model. All we've done though is replace a proven Championship manager with an unproven one. It obviously could still be a successful season but until we address the underlying issues at the club then we will never have sustained success. To me this isn't about Wilder leaving. He just kept things together and shielded the owners
 

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