Blackpool Manager £25.000 Fine

[eccoblade]

The Blackpool manager has just been fined for fielding a team the FA thouight inappropriate. I can't remember Liverpool or Man U getting the same treatment when we were relegated, I think there is one rule for the big boys and one for the rest of us, your thoughts on this as Ian Holloway said he would resign if the club were fined.

 

[timb2222]

I think this is a ridiculous punishment. I have 2 gripes with this. Firstly as I believe Holloway said, it is up to the manager to choose a team who he feels is right for that particular fixture. The premier league once again has shown how arrogant they are by pretty much deciding that the Blackpool team Holloway put out against Villa was not good enough. A manager should only have to answer questions regarding team selection to the Board and the supporters.

Secondly this seems to be as eccoblade has said, one rule for the top 4 and another for everybody else. Just because the reserve team at Arsenal for instance is superior to the Blackpool reserve team makes no difference with this rule. So how has Mr Ferguson or Mr Wenger never (to my knowledge at least) been asked to justify their team selection?

 

[Selly]

I think this is a ridiculous punishment. I have 2 gripes with this. Firstly as I believe Holloway said, it is up to the manager to choose a team who he feels is right for that particular fixture. The premier league once again has shown how arrogant they are by pretty much deciding that the Blackpool team Holloway put out against Villa was not good enough. A manager should only have to answer questions regarding team selection to the Board and the supporters.

A team that was only beaten by an 89th minute goal as well. It isn`t like they got tonked...

Secondly this seems to be as eccoblade has said, one rule for the top 4 and another for everybody else. Just because the reserve team at Arsenal for instance is superior to the Blackpool reserve team makes no difference with this rule. So how has Mr Ferguson or Mr Wenger never (to my knowledge at least) been asked to justify their team selection?

Well this is 2 in a row now after Wolves last season. I guess we'll have to wait for the next time Man U or Arsenal make 10 changes to their line up.

TBF, if they are starting a crackdown then fine, but they'll need to apply it consistently.

 

[j j]

Surely it's time to fine Wetsham for fielding their first team?

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

Shocking decision. Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool can do it at will. Blackpool and Wolves do it and the Premier League come over all shocked and horrified.

The clubs that the PL should be forcing to account for their actions, they sweep under the carpet; the big four need their wings clipping and the PL let them get away with it. PL, Champions League, FIFA, etc are fast eroding what was a great sport.

 

[Stafford Blade]

How many changes did man u make for the game at blackpool on tuesday? absolute disgrace the decision to fine them.

 

[metty]

It was always on the cards when Holloway publicly announced on TV that he would resign if the F.A. fined the club, they weren't gonna ignore a challenge like that.

 

[Crazyblade]

I actually hope he keeps to his word and resigns. Somebody has to stand up to the FA.

Disgraceful decision.

 

[GlosBlade]

An absolute disgrace...have the FA said what criteria they used to make this idiotic decision....is it the number of changes from the previous game or is the FA making value judgements about the ability of squad members? Whatever rules they are applying need to be applied consistently, not just to the 'little' teams
Hope he doesn't resign though, they have been a breath of fresh air in the premiership this season .

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

£25k??

Adam sold before the end of next week then!

 

[Tizertrance]

Also with this, Premiership teams now have to pick a squad of 25 whom can play Premier League games. So he picked 11 from the 25 players classed as his Premier League players.

 

[JohnDenver]

I thought this was disgraceful, then I remembered they played Dave Carney.

Guilty yer honour.

 

[beechblade]

Another inept decision from the people incharge of this game.

 

[Bladesman]

PL are funded by Sky who also fund most of the papers and thus we will be told in most of the tabloids tomorrow the PL were spot on with this decision.

Football stinks to the core and the sooner something is done the better.

 

[grafikhaus]

Obviously this decision stinks. Now what if the powers-that-be were to argue that the rule is in place to prevent 'manipulation' of results? (after all, corruption is hardly unknown in English football).

I can't see any other the defence the PL would have. If they were to argue that, by fielding weakened teams, the public were being 'sold short', well games such as Wigan v. Fulham would play to empty stadia.

So back to manipulation then. Blackpool (and Wolves, and others) clearly had more vital games coming up and were absolutely within their rights to minimise injuries and suspensions in less vital matches. It's what the word 'manager' means.

As we well know, Liverpool at Fulham in 2007 had no such concerns. They were simply helping a mate out (or acting on orders from on high - Richards & Scudamore).

Similarly, Ferguson continues to flout an order to grant interviews on the BBC, which the lickspittles 'in charge' allow to continue.

I really hope Holloway digs in over this. He seems far too honest for the PL, what with antics like Charlie Adam and now this. But even if he does, it will soon be allowed to blow over and the PL can continue in its own, bent way.

After all a far, far more serious incidence of corruption happened to us (proven) and Wet Sham continue to be the media darlings.

 

[norfolkblade]

FA...Fucking Arseholes. That is all. Oh btw, Blackpool have rejected Holloways resignation, so clearly he is sticking to his word!

 

[Revolution]

I really hope Holloway digs in over this. He seems far too honest for the PL, what with antics like Charlie Adam and now this

It turns out that Holloway will be contractually entitled to a percentage of any transfer fee for a player he sells for a profit. This puts his actions in relation to the Charlie Adam situation in a different light.

Such a clause is perfectly legal, but has the potential to creat massive conflicts of interest IMHO.

FWIW, Adam strikes me as the sort of player who is going to flop at another club.

 

[boo radley]

If you weaken your side to prevent injury or suspension and get fined for it, then in a game where a player is withdrawn because he has been booked to avoid a possible suspension surley that should also result in a fine for weakening the side?

 

[puppet]

dave bassett was on a similar deal at the blades

 

[Robbie]

Similarly, Ferguson continues to flout an order to grant interviews on the BBC, which the lickspittles 'in charge' allow to continue.

While I am not bothered about seeing SAF giving his biased view on things, they should have an inital fine for flouting this rule and each subsequent time it is done, the fine should double.

Say, start the fine off at 2k, it will soon reach a height where SAF will be forced to attend these interviews.

FA...Fucking Arseholes. That is all. Oh btw, Blackpool have rejected Holloways resignation, so clearly he is sticking to his word!

That's the offical line - there's no way Holloway will quit.

I think the fine is right, however - as said, the FA need to be consistent throughout this, it can't be one rule for the 'smaller' teams and another for the 'bigger' teams.

 

[Balham]

FA...Fucking Arseholes. That is all. Oh btw, Blackpool have rejected Holloways resignation, so clearly he is sticking to his word!

It was probably a token resignation but the point stands. Where's the fine for Arsenal after they changed 10 players for their game at Wigan over Christmas?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

As ever, the problem is the Premier League, they set a precedent once a 'smaller' club did it i.e. Wolves and now have to follow it through every time. Where do they draw the line, 5 team changes, 7, 10 ? How can they change a rule which basically states that each team must list 25 squad players and then basically say that they shouldn't change the team round ?

OK, we all know Holloway did field a 'weakened' team but that team still almost got something out of the game, as could Liverpool at Fulham, ManU against WHam etc etc. Let's face it though, what good is a £25K fine to anyone ? if it does come down to points at the end of the season, it's not going to matter one jot.

Re Holloway's Adam 'bonus', I'm sure there's plenty of managers who have similar clauses. It does stink but at the end of the day, I doubt whether any manager would have much say in the actual price other than digging his heels in dragging the deal on which would, invariably result in an increased fee.

 

[Robbie]

Another thing I don't understand, why was Wolves a suspended fine, but Blackpools a fine?

 

[broomhillblade]

dave bassett was on a similar deal at the blades

It's not all that unusual, apparently. Last year I heard Barry Fry on the radio talking about the deal with one of his previous clubs (I forget which). They said "We can't pay you a big salary, but to make up for it you can have a percentage of any transfers". Not an ideal situation, but perfectly legal. It's also a good incentive for a manager to find good young players, develop them and sell them on, which can benefit a small club.

 

[diplomat]

Like Barry Fry needed any incentive to wheel and deal.

A clause whereby spunking loads of cash on someone who turns out to be a bag of poop results in the manager owing the club would be interesting.

On the fine, I think it is a farce. Every club tries to build a squad and will probably have to use most of it. The FA are basically saying they know what every club's best 11 is. They are also basically saying whoever played for Wolves and Blackpool in that game are not good enough to play in the Premier League. It stinks.

I watched the highligghts of the Villa game and it was a cracker and those reserves did the manager proud and you wouldn't have known it wasn't the first team. (Mainly cos the world only knows Adam).

 

[dingledog]

How is this exactly a blades related post? Have I missed something, is it now an open forum about blackpool?

 

[beechblade]

That's the offical line - there's no way Holloway will quit.

I think the fine is right, however - as said, the FA need to be consistent throughout this, it can't be one rule for the 'smaller' teams and another for the 'bigger' teams.

I don't think any manager should be fined, its his team, there is no offical rule on this and that gives him the right to pick whatever team the manager wants, especially if they fit into this rule of the 25 players from the PL.

 

[Trigger Blade]

It's not all that unusual, apparently. Last year I heard Barry Fry on the radio talking about the deal with one of his previous clubs (I forget which). They said "We can't pay you a big salary, but to make up for it you can have a percentage of any transfers". Not an ideal situation, but perfectly legal. It's also a good incentive for a manager to find good young players, develop them and sell them on, which can benefit a small club.

Dario Gradi at Crewe was another example and it wasn't a secret and the amounts involved appeared in the club accounts. Their chairman talked about it openly and reckoned it was a fantastic deal for both parties. Gradi made a lot more from cuts of transfer fees than he did from salary.

 

[Micalijo]

Dario Gradi at Crewe was another example and it wasn't a secret and the amounts involved appeared in the club accounts. Their chairman talked about it openly and reckoned it was a fantastic deal for both parties. Gradi made a lot more from cuts of transfer fees than he did from salary.

Someone make a note, Triggers joined a string with no Lenners. Not too painful was it?