Bits and Pieces for this Summer

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Isn't it a normality for all promoted teams to have loads of loanees.
 

Balham said:
Leeds are after Kelleher and Ramsdale, both of whom are viewed as better than Cooper. The danger is probably Burnley should Trafford leave.
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I'd be very suprised if Cooper had any interest in going to Leeds or Burnley when it's more than likely they'll be straight back down again.

I'd be even more surprised if any other Premier League teams were interested at the moment. He's clearly a good keeper, and while he's made numerous outstanding saves he's also made some big (and almost very costly) mistakes, his kicking is inconsistent, and there's been a few games like the play off final where he's had nothing to do for the majority but then let in the few chances the opposition had. There's definite parallels with league one Wes, the main difference being Cooper's mistakes haven't been punished like Wes' were.

On that note, it's been over a year since Wes played first team football. I wonder if he has any regrets?
 
Nedski said:
I'd be very suprised if Cooper had any interest in going to Leeds or Burnley when it's more than likely they'll be straight back down again.

I'd be even more surprised if any other Premier League teams were interested at the moment. He's clearly a good keeper, and while he's made numerous outstanding saves he's also made some big (and almost very costly) mistakes, his kicking is inconsistent, and there's been a few games like the play off final where he's had nothing to do for the majority but then let in the few chances the opposition had. There's definite parallels with league one Wes, the main difference being Cooper's mistakes haven't been punished like Wes' were.

On that note, it's been over a year since Wes played first team football. I wonder if he has any regrets?
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Foderingham knew exactly what he was doing. £20k per week to go to training and sit on the bench for cup games.

I'm not sure I agree with you on Cooper though. I can't think of any major ricks this season and he finished at +6.5 conceded vs xGA, 5th best in the division (+0.15 per 90, 7th best). Yes, his distribution is mixed but he's asked to kick it long quite a lot (9th highest launch count) and is actually pretty successful (37.5% completed, 2nd best). If anything, PL sides won't be interested because our stance will be clear - it would take a record sale for us to consider letting him go - and there are other options available for similar sums (eg Kelleher, Ramsdale, Trafford)
 
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ml1997 said:
I think these suggestions are profoundly unambitious. Yes, 2 or 3 of the young EFL players would be nice but to be promoted and then have any chance of staying up you need proven experience and quality. For every Harrison Burrows there’s a Kean Bryan.
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When it comes to numbers, Hughes was one of the best CB's in the league last season and is only going to get better. Bindon is about a year behind Hughes in development but is regarded highly at Forest and needs Championship experience. Burgess has just played in the Premier Legaue. Millar is heavily linked with clubs playing in Europe. Pec has previously been eyed up by Liverpool and Arsenal. Barry is thought of highly at Villa, but like Bindon, needs more experience at our level. Unambitious suggestions you say?
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I don't want to see as many loan players in the starting line up this coming season. The modern model is to find young up and coming players, coach and develop them then sell them to Premier League teams for significant profit and reinvest the fee into the first team. It's important that we own the majority of our starting line up. As great as they were we gained nothing financially from developing Gibbs-White, Doyle and McAtee (who will soon leave for a decent fee), for Wolves and Man City.
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Is someone going go tell our messiah manager about the "modern model"?
 
Balham said:
If this is all true...

Hamer - fine if the recruitment team can find someone to fill the creative gap*. Being available for more than 75% of matches and being able to play more than 75 minutes in those matches a definite bonus.

Souza - great news, too many question marks over him for anyone to risk £20m

Robinson - option was triggered when he made his 25th league appearance. This makes it sound like the player can choose to not renew and if he hasn't yet, the only reason would be that he's been told that he'll not be first choice here. He's not going to get an offer from a better team.

Cooper/Burrows - good news

Loanees - Brereton Diaz was miles off it from mid February. I don't know whether he was carrying a knock or something else was happening off the pitch but he was a shadow of the player we had on loan last season. I find it hard to believe, however, that we can find the likely £10m to sign him permanently but not the £30k per week wages. Choudhury is supposedly on £40k+ so it's not a huge revelation that we're not able to get close for someone who's good-not-great at Championship level

Brewster - is a tricky one. He's probably our highest earner but he's not the same player we signed. I'd be amazed if we're not trying to structure the offers as heavily incentivised on performances which he's probably unwilling to accept. That said, what better offer is he going to get? Someone mentioned SPL but he's probably not ready to throw it all away just yet

Campbell - do we need to extend his deal right now given he's got another 2 years?

On Wilder - if the owners and board are serious he should be on a very short leash with his influence limited to matchdays and a non-binding input into transfers*. We need to completely overhaul the conditioning and recruitment elements because on current evidence they're League One level at best.

*If we're signing players for the first team Wilder needs to be integrating them, not playing his favourites.


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Agreed but this isn't the first time we've heard that Peck has pushed for a move. £15m plus 30% sell on and other achievable bonuses is a decent return for a first year pro. Arblaster coming back and hopefully Billy Blacker continuing his development will soften the blow; is there anyone out there doing something similar either for a PL U21s team or a smaller club's first team?
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In answer to the last bit Jacob Wright from City defensive midfielder spent the 2nd half of this season at Norwich 4 assists in 15 appearances and they’re pushing to get him back permanently. If City are open to letting him go he’d be well within our budget he’s very solid technically and Norwich are no mugs when it comes to evaluating young players.

Even if Peck doesn’t go he should still be on our radar he’d add competition to depth to our midfield for next year and would be fit more often than Tom Davies and he’d go a long way to future proofing us against any future Peck or Arblaster sale.

Edit they’ve already signed him for 2.3 million
 
Yogi said:
In answer to the last bit Jacob Wright from City defensive midfielder spent the 2nd half of this season at Norwich 4 assists in 15 appearances and they’re pushing to get him back permanently. If City are open to letting him go he’d be well within our budget he’s very solid technically and Norwich are no mugs when it comes to evaluating young players.

Even if Peck doesn’t go he should still be on our radar he’d add competition to depth to our midfield for next year and would be fit more often than Tom Davies and he’d go a long way to future proofing us against any future Peck or Arblaster sale.

Edit they’ve already signed him for 2.3 million
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Sounds like a strategic approach. Let’s hope we’re lauding United for something similar come September.
 
If the Kelman interest is legit it’s a bit of a duplication of efforts with the Cannon signing another young striker who doesn’t do much outside shooting and this season obviously scoring.

Not saying we shouldn’t look at him or that it would be a bad signing but I’m not sure you could play Cannon and Kelman in the same side and Kelman might have the same struggles as Cannon has if we set up the same way.
 
Yogi said:
If the Kelman interest is legit it’s a bit of a duplication of efforts with the Cannon signing another young striker who doesn’t do much outside shooting and this season obviously scoring.

Not saying we shouldn’t look at him or that it would be a bad signing but I’m not sure you could play Cannon and Kelman in the same side and Kelman might have the same struggles as Cannon has if we set up the same way.
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We shouldn't be shopping in the lower leagues full stop.

It hasn't worked before at this level, it won't work now.
 

I hope we go back in for Jonjoe Kenny as he's out of contract this summer. He got 1 goals and 8 assists last season for Hertha BSC. Basically he's the right back version of Harrison Burrows and would bring some balance to the back four.

Right back was a problem position all season until we adapted Choudhury. The only downside to that was his lack of goals and assists. I like Choudhury but I'd prefer Kenny because of his forward play and he's available as a free agent, which is good business for us as there's no fee involved. I'd imagine he's on less wages than Choudhury too.
 
ThatJa said:
Coming from a decent source.

Hamer (wants to leave) - willing to accept around 20m for him with minimum 15m upfront

Souza (willing to stay) - but will accept 15-20mill for him

Peck (deal done with london based club) - 15m with a future fee of 30% and a bonus if they win a trophy in the next 2 seasons

Robinson - 1 year option triggered (by the player)

Burrows - (2 PL clubs enquired) club say not for sale

Cooper - (Leeds and another unnamed club enquired) club say not for sale

Choudhury, JRS, BBD, Gilchrist, Clarke, Holding all go back - club want to sign BBD permanently and Choudhury, but wages are unattainable for both

Brewster - rejected first 2 contracts put to him been negotiating for months, club want him to sign for another season

Campbell in talks to extend his contract

Players and staff were in this morning for 2 hours rosen also there and every player had a 5min 1to1 with him

Wilder committed to next season board backing him.

All players under contract due back in for pre season on June 30th
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Plenty of fiction in that post !
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I hope we go back in for Jonjoe Kenny as he's out of contract this summer. He got 1 goals and 8 assists last season for Hertha BSC. Basically he's the right back version of Harrison Burrows and would bring some balance to the back four.

Right back was a problem position all season until we adapted Choudhury. The only downside to that was his lack of goals and assists. I like Choudhury but I'd prefer Kenny because of his forward play and he's available as a free agent, which is good business for us as there's no fee involved. I'd imagine he's on less wages than Choudhury too.
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yes would be a good signing and more than likely i would think seing as we were rumoured to be after him in january i think if souza is sold we will bring choudray in for that role arblaster choudray and a new creative midfielder for hamer would give us one of the best midfields in the division
 
ancientblade said:
yes would be a good signing and more than likely i would think seing as we were rumoured to be after him in january i think if souza is sold we will bring choudray in for that role arblaster choudray and a new creative midfielder for hamer would give us one of the best midfields in the division
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As much as I like to do it, until the Wider position is sorted it’s pointless discussing who we might go after.

If we change leader bringing anyone in will have to fit in with his playing style or it’s like chucking a master joiner a bag of random tools to build a high quality wardrobe with. He’ll knock something together but of will probably be flawed.

That’s my fear of giving Wilder a chance until Christmas, he’ll bring his players in and they won’t be what other managers want but they’ll be on 3-4 year contracts.
 
Blade56 said:
That’s my fear of giving Wilder a chance until Christmas, he’ll bring his players in and they won’t be what other managers want but they’ll be on 3-4 year contracts.
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TBF, that's what happens with a lot of managers when they first go into new jobs, and the better managers tend to make use with what they have available to them until they can get their own players.

It's worth remembering that Sharp, Basham, Coutts and Keiran Freeman weren't Wilders signings, but he made best use of them, same thing with Anel, Hamer and Souza.

Had Jokanovic made better use of the players he had available to him that season, who knows what might have happened.
 
S64 Blade said:
I think I'd be most gutted about Peck going, tbh. Hamer is expected really.

After that, disappointing we are looking at new deals for Robbo and Brewster, but not unexpected.
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Same old keeping Robbo and Brewster when will we.move forward instead of the same old.Would any Champ club really want to take a risk on Brewster with his injury record and goal production.
 
Last season we picked up the future in Burrows and Cooper. Please don't tell me we're going backwards and signing the past in McBurnie and Mepham? SURELY THE OWNERS DONT WANT OLDER NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR PREMIER LEAGUE ANYMORE! If this is wilders wants then I can see why there are rumors of him being let go. If this is the recruitment teams wants then they need to go. Either way we need more Burrows and Cooper like signings. I get that those two aren't guaranteed Prem level but with the right players around them I think they will be.
 
Alex Cheeseright said:
Last season we picked up the future in Burrows and Cooper. Please don't tell me we're going backwards and signing the past in McBurnie and Mepham? SURELY THE OWNERS DONT WANT OLDER NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR PREMIER LEAGUE ANYMORE! If this is wilders wants then I can see why there are rumors of him being let go. If this is the recruitment teams wants then they need to go. Either way we need more Burrows and Cooper like signings. I get that those two aren't guaranteed Prem level but with the right players around them I think they will be.
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This might shock people but we can sign proven championship quality and younger players at the same time.
 
Blade56 said:
As much as I like to do it, until the Wider position is sorted it’s pointless discussing who we might go after.

If we change leader bringing anyone in will have to fit in with his playing style or it’s like chucking a master joiner a bag of random tools to build a high quality wardrobe with. He’ll knock something together but of will probably be flawed.

That’s my fear of giving Wilder a chance until Christmas, he’ll bring his players in and they won’t be what other managers want but they’ll be on 3-4 year contracts.
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Square pegs & round holes eh!😄
 

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