Big Thumbs up to Wilder

[Champagneblade]

What's Hussey's weekly wage?

The average league one wage is about 1,500 per week.

It would not surprise me if he was on that or even less at Bury.

At United I'd estimate he might be on around 2,500 to 3,500 per week given our current wage structure and the fact he's hardly a 'star' player per se.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

The average league one wage is about 1,500 per week.

It would not surprise me if he was on that or even less at Bury.

At United I'd estimate he might be on around 2,500 to 3,500 per week given our current wage structure and the fact he's hardly a 'star' player per se.

Not having a go, but we don't know what he's earning. So suggesting that Wilder gets more understanding about under performing signings than Adkins, when we don't know the difference in wages is a bit tenuous.

The point I am trying to make is that there really is no need for people to jump to the defence of Wilder, it seems that there is currently a big disparity between his supporters and those who are more sceptical. And the reality, of course, is that he (and we) just need to give him time and patience, not blind faith.

Edit: not suggesting your posts have been "blind faith".

 

[Maidenhead]

Not having a go, but we don't know what he's earning. So suggesting that Wilder gets more understanding about under performing signings than Adkins, when we don't know the difference in wages is a bit tenuous.

The point I am trying to make is that there really is no need for people to jump to the defence of Wilder, it seems that there is currently a big disparity between his supporters and those who are more sceptical. And the reality, of course, is that he (and we) just need to give him time and patience, not blind faith.

Edit: not suggesting your posts have been "blind faith".

I'll give Wilder massive credit for what he's done so far.

Clough and Adkins had much bigger budgets and pissed them up the wall whereas Wilder appears to be managing his smaller budget in a much more structured sensible way.

Let's hope he is getting the structure right on the pitch too.

One thing we should all be aware of as Blades is that the best players don't necessarily make the best teams because if they did the relative successes of 1993, 1998, and 2003 and multiple other "giant killngs" would never have happened

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I'll give Wilder massive credit for what he's done so far.

Clough and Adkins had much bigger budgets and pissed them up the wall whereas Wilder appears to be managing his smaller budget in a much more structured sensible way.

Let's hope he is getting the structure right on the pitch too.

One thing we should all be aware of as Blades is that the best players don't necessarily make the best teams because if they did the relative successes of 1993, 1998, and 2003 and multiple other "giant killngs" would never have happened

Massive credit for what he has done so far?

What has he done so far to warrant this accolade?

It's been a iffy start to the season, including tactically. He's made some signings with potential on a limited budget.

I don't get it. I'll be cheering the roof of the Kop off if he achieves, but already?

 

[Revolution]

I'll give Wilder massive credit for what he's done so far.

Clough and Adkins had much bigger budgets and pissed them up the wall whereas Wilder appears to be managing his smaller budget in a much more structured sensible way.

Let's hope he is getting the structure right on the pitch too.

One thing we should all be aware of as Blades is that the best players don't necessarily make the best teams because if they did the relative successes of 1993, 1998, and 2003 and multiple other "giant killngs" would never have happened

I would save the massive credit until it is clear that we are not going to be in a relegation battle.

 

[Kenilworth]

Massive credit for what he has done so far?

What has he done so far to warrant this accolade?

It's been a iffy start to the season, including tactically. He's made some signings with potential on a limited budget.

I don't get it. I'll be cheering the roof of the Kop off if he achieves, but already?

Well he's shipped out most of the dead wood and admittedly cut out a few ripening saplings and now we are on a course destined for either glory or apathy, for success or ignominy.
The die have been cast
The weapons have been drawn
The game is set and the path prepared.

Strap in and strap on
We're not Fannying abart, tha' 'nos

 

[Blade56]

Adkins would have been ridiculed for replacing a player he brought in after a couple of weeks.

If only he had sent Hammond back before he played the requisite number of games to land a £500,000 bonus contract (or whatever amount it was). Shame he didn't realise it before he qualified for.... .?

 

[HillmortonBlade]

If only he had sent Hammond back before he played the requisite number of games to land a £500,000 bonus contract (or whatever amount it was). Shame he didn't realise it before he qualified for.... .?

In hindsight, he should not have signed him. And I'm not suggesting Adkins was a roaring success by the end of the season. Just saying, if he had replaced Hammond after a few weeks he would have been ridiculed.

 

[blade too long]

Team v gillingham that lost 4-0 a year ago
Sheff Utd
25 Long
2 Freeman
15 Collins GONE
19 McEveley GONE
28 McFadzean GONE
9 Murphy GONE
11 Baxter GONE
6 Basham
17 Woolford GONE
10 Sharp
29 Adams GONE
Substitutes
1 Howard GONE
4 J Wallace GONE
16 Scougall
18 Sammon GONE
22 Reed
23 Higdon GONE

11 out of 16 departed , 3 last season granted, but still a big turn over
and lets face it , it needed it

 

[coolhandluke]

No surprise here we do it every year same owd same owd

And yet this season we were actually told what was happening and still we're positively apoplectic about it .

Somethings never cease to amaze ...

 

[Champagneblade]

Not having a go, but we don't know what he's earning. So suggesting that Wilder gets more understanding about under performing signings than Adkins, when we don't know the difference in wages is a bit tenuous.

The point I am trying to make is that there really is no need for people to jump to the defence of Wilder, it seems that there is currently a big disparity between his supporters and those who are more sceptical. And the reality, of course, is that he (and we) just need to give him time and patience, not blind faith.

Edit: not suggesting your posts have been "blind faith".

I don't think we are disagreeing at all.

The fact that Adkins went high end with his recruitment signing quite long established players from leagues above meant he had little scope to correct his errors.

Wilder is shopping more in the Warnock bargain bin. A few that don't come off can still be rectified. We all remember Kabba, Webber etc under Warnock but for every one who did their bit, there was a James Thomas, an Izale McLeod etc who passed through without being noticed.

It's all on what happens next. There's no sense of achievement in working on a reduced Budget and getting relegated.

Part of the issue under previous management has been the volume of players they decided to carry. I'll not class it as credit but I would say I prefer the way Chris has gone about the squad size.

 

[blader]

If anyone thinks this is a good League 1 squad, then they don't watch enough football.

 

[Maidenhead]

Massive credit for what he has done so far?

What has he done so far to warrant this accolade?

It's been a iffy start to the season, including tactically. He's made some signings with potential on a limited budget.

I don't get it. I'll be cheering the roof of the Kop off if he achieves, but already?

Well he's shipped out most of the dead wood and admittedly cut out a few ripening saplings and now we are on a course destined for either glory or apathy, for success or ignominy.
The die have been cast
The weapons have been drawn
The game is set and the path prepared.

Strap in and strap on
We're not Fannying abart, tha' 'nos

Cheers Ken. Saved me the effort

 

[HillmortonBlade]

He has levelled out the inequalities in the squad in yer

Cheers Ken. Saved me the effort

In other words, he has not achieved anything yet. Other than a good deal of potential.

But agree that we have at least got that.

 

[metalblade]

And yet this season we were actually told what was happening and still we're positively apoplectic about it .

Somethings never cease to amaze ...

Only in your twisted mind

 

[bladesmanluke]

I second the OP. You can criticise a manager all you want for making bad signings, but every manager will make them. I have to say I've never seen another manager before recognise and rectify his own mistakes quite so quickly and that's extremely commendable. The weak link now is central midfield, but that's not for the want of trying on Wilder's end. Hopefully that can be recrified in January with the Che and DCL cash, but somehow I'm sure the club will find some way to make this dissapear.

 

[Maidenhead]

In other words, he has not achieved anything yet. Other than a good deal of potential.

But agree that we have at least got that.

Yep, we need results on the pitch but to to me it looks like we have a manager working to a budget with a proper plan for the first time in a long while.

Whilst the manager ultimately carries the responsibility much of the on field part is down to the coaches more than the manager so step forward Alan Knill and let's see if f we have a management team that can see the plan through

 

[blade too long]

No doubt there's going to be some hiccups on the way as a squad with 12 new players trying to fit in as you'd expect

so long as we don't go overboard when we either lose or win

a loss at gillingham wont mean nothings got better, a win wont mean everything's suddenly rosy
Im more interested we progressively improve from now on
that a spirit is engendered into the team over the coming weeks that will improve us as a team

 

[elgoog44]

I second the OP. You can criticise a manager all you want for making bad signings, but every manager will make them. I have to say I've never seen another manager before recognise and rectify his own mistakes quite so quickly and that's extremely commendable. The weak link now is central midfield, but that's not for the want of trying on Wilder's end. Hopefully that can be recrified in January with the Che and DCL cash, but somehow I'm sure the club will find some way to make this dissapear.

we still might get Danny Holla, as he is a free agent, which would help the CM issues

 

[UnitedBlade]

Someone had to do this surgery, we finished 11th in the 3rd division last season ffs.

I reckon Wilder missed out on many of his top targets so it remains to be seen how this squad now plays.

Another bad start means we have a hell of a job on. I wouldn't bank on us reaching the top 6 but if they can get an energetic attacking side by, say, Christmas and we are in touch, he stands a good chance of adding some quality in January.

It could well take 2 years but we couldn't carry on with the squad we had and the Board will not continue to subsidise operation to the tune of £4M to £5M loss per annum.

We are where we are (due to incredible misuse of resources in the last few seasons) so we can only start building from here.

I hope Wilder is the man that can do it but I'll be cutting him some slack from where he had to start this task.

 

[Blade56]

 

[nopigfansintown]

I'm starting to look past this season - it's increasingly clear the resources aren't there for a proper go this season. Next season Sharp (we have a one year option), Freeman, Coutts, Basham, Mcnulty and James Wallace will be out of contract, and the loanees will have gone back. Maybe then we'll be able to build a competitive side at this level?

 

[blade too long]

Someone had to do this surgery, we finished 11th in the 3rd division last season ffs.

I reckon Wilder missed out on many of his top targets so it remains to be seen how this squad now plays.

Another bad start means we have a hell of a job on. I wouldn't bank on us reaching the top 6 but if they can get an energetic attacking side by, say, Christmas and we are in touch, he stands a good chance of adding some quality in January.

It could well take 2 years but we couldn't carry on with the squad we had and the Board will not continue to subsidise operation to the tune of £4M to £5M loss per annum.

We are where we are (due to incredible misuse of resources in the last few seasons) so we can only start building from here.

I hope Wilder is the man that can do it but I'll be cutting him some slack from where he had to start this task.

Agree with nearly all of that , except we cant recover from the bad start
CW start at northampton last season was very similar, and they went on to romp the title
they won only 2 of their first 7 lost 4 drew 1

 

[Ricky]

I'm starting to look past this season - it's increasingly clear the resources aren't there for a proper go this season. Next season Sharp (we have a one year option), Freeman, Coutts, Basham, Mcnulty and James Wallace will be out of contract, and the loanees will have gone back. Maybe then we'll be able to build a competitive side at this level?

Next season I'd like to think the budget will go much further as the last of the high earners leave and we hopefully won't be hamstrung by paying people off. Just got to hope Wilder does enough to keep his job.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Next season I'd like to think the budget will go much further as the last of the high earners leave and we hopefully won't be hamstrung by paying people off. Just got to hope Wilder does enough to keep his job.

Agreed. I also think Brayford's in the shop window.

 

[BushBlade]

I'm starting to look past this season - it's increasingly clear the resources aren't there for a proper go this season. Next season Sharp (we have a one year option), Freeman, Coutts, Basham, Mcnulty and James Wallace will be out of contract, and the loanees will have gone back. Maybe then we'll be able to build a competitive side at this level?

That's the plan and it's been obvious it was the plan for several months now.

 

[Bartyblade]

Agree with nearly all of that , except we cant recover from the bad start
CW start at northampton last season was very similar, and they went on to romp the title
they won only 2 of their first 7 lost 4 drew 1

He and the Northampton Board must have spent millions!

 

[BushBlade]

Adkins would have been ridiculed for replacing a player he brought in after a couple of weeks.

He would but mainly by idiots. It takes a big man to admit he got something wrong and take immediate action to rectify it. Like Warnock did with Barry Hayles, for example, or dropping Akinbye for Ships.

The alternative is to insist he's actually a good player and we're all idiots because we can't see it.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

He would but mainly by idiots. It takes a big man to admit he got something wrong and take immediate action to rectify it. Like Warnock did with Barry Hayles, for example, or dropping Akinbye for Ships.

The alternative is to insist he's actually a good player and we're all idiots because we can't see it.

Assuming that Wilder is seeing Hussey as a mistake, of course.

 

[nopigfansintown]

A reason for optimism is the fact we have Moore, Fleck, Lavery, Clarke, Sharp, Done, Duffy, Ramsdale and O'Connell to build around. The likes of Hussey and Wilson can be jettisoned fairly easily if they don't work out and are bonuses if they do. You also never know if a youngster will break through and make themselves indispensable, and we still have the January window. You could call us subscribers to the Phippsian view.