Berge

[KiwiBlabe]

Most of this thread/forum is tripe.
He’s just out of form. Same people who were slagging off mcburnie and now rimming him have just reset there sights on Berge.

Lads played in the champions league, europa, and one of Norways biggest talents yet some how he’s not up to our standards (playing against luton, rotherham and blackpool) and its because he has no talent instead of form or how we are playing at the moment.

Completely agree. What is happening to us. We are streets ahead of 3rd on a run of 28 points from a possible 33 and all we want to do is reinvent the team, tactics, manager and players. I am not in the country is the cold affecting you lot back there?

Berge is a player who has a laconic style and as such when he is out of form he will look disinterested. His attitude has been 1st class, he could have whined and gone on strike or whatever to get a move rather than play in the second tier with us. He has not done that he has knuckled down and put in some great performances and lots of minutes when fit. Think about how easy he makes it look when he ghosts past people, its the same when others ghost past him, it just looks easy but he is working hard.

Get off his back (and others) support the team that is storming to promotion and maybe just enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[bertieblade]

Really? Like Moose? On minutes played alone he is streets ahead of Moose. Attitude is so much better, the only way they are alike is that they do not make the best of their talents, Berge a little and Moose many many times more.
A poor comparison in my book.

As you say I am Referring to his attitude and not making the best of his talents. His talent should enable him to control any match yet he has yet to do that just letting it pass him by.

 

[Dkc]

Really? Like Moose? On minutes played alone he is streets ahead of Moose. Attitude is so much better, the only way they are alike is that they do not make the best of their talents, Berge a little and Moose many many times more.
A poor comparison in my book.Berg's stuffing his face with junk food, posting on social media and writing off Lamborginis on Abbeydale Rd as we speak

 

[Dkc]

Really? Like Moose? On minutes played alone he is streets ahead of Moose. Attitude is so much better, the only way they are alike is that they do not make the best of their talents, Berge a little and Moose many many times more.
A poor comparison in my book.

Can't imagine Berg stuffing his face with junk food, posting on social media and writing off Lamborginis on Abbeydale Rd. Still time though.

 

[alcoblade]

Possibly not, but it is midfield that Hecky keeps tinkering with as if he is not entirely happy.
I might be wrong and perhaps he changes it depending on who we play and whether we can play a more attacking game.
Assuming we keep Berge and McAtee & Doyle return to City I would still like to sign a ball winner in midfield. Perhaps we could get Declan Rice on the cheap when W. Ham get relegated.

I’m firmly of the opinion that Berge is potentially useful to us in this promotion push, but will be useless for us next year if we’re in the Prem.

The only way he could survive there (and I don’t think he would) would be if he signed for a team that was pressing and holding possession more. That’s not with us, but I’d be surprised if he’s convinced better teams that he could do that job either. Not in England.

 

[alcoblade]

Crikey - unless a daft offer is received he'll be going nowhere so it would perhaps be best to get behind the lad to help him rediscover his best form, rather than all the above criticism and writing-off. He didn't set his transfer fee when he joined Utd and he could easily have got the @rse before now to force a move away.

Everyone is behind Berge when it matters.

This forum is for discussion about what we see. It’s not for encouraging the players.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Let's break this down.

1. He cost £22 million - Brewster cost more. Who cares what someone cost?
2. International - For a country which hasn't qualified for an international competition since 2000. Burke is an international for a more successful team.
3. Champions League - Played for a Belgium team in the group stage who got 1 point. WOW
4. Played in the EPL for us. Did ok, without looking particularly impressive.
5. You think the above makes him a star Championship player when his performances on the pitch, when he's on the pitch, have been far from impressive.

John Swift, on the other hand, was in every Championship team of the season last season.

You are literally rating a player on reputation, not performance.

Ok - not really sure why I’m having to launch a defence of our own player but here goes.

1. Cost of a player’s transfer tends to signify their value to one degree or another. Not perfectly I admit. Anyway, what’s that got to do with Swift?
2. Still an International, which Jon Swift is not.
3. Still played at a higher level than Jon Swift, whom has never played in a top league, competition or internationally and is 3 years older than Berge.
4. Played in a top league and did ok, again in comparison to Swift whom has only ever competed in a lower league.
5. Citation please. His performances have been mixed since the WC. That’s the life of most professional footballers. How’s Swift doing on WBA’s bench?

You’re seriously going to discount EPL, Champions League and International experience in favour of ‘Championship Team of the Year’?

 

[Working Class Hero]

I'd accept that he's out of form if it wasn't for the fact that the good form only lasted for a few months out of his three years here. The good form was the exception to his time here, not the other way round.

Barely anyone thinks he's crap anyway, we all know he CAN be effective, he just doesn't actually do it. That spell where he was playing well makes it all the more annoying to watch him now.

 

[Guesty]

Nearly everyone who has said "disinterested" means "uninterested".

Someone in another thread was doing the Lord's work by correcting the phrase to "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" so I feel I should do my bit too.

 

[Dkc]

Nearly everyone who has said "disinterested" means "uninterested".

Someone in another thread was doing the Lord's work by correcting the phrase to "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" so I feel I should do my bit too.

In the context of a footballer's performance they probably mean the same thing. A better expression would probably be 'not involved as much as he should be'.

 

[sitwell]

The fact that we have this discussion every week tells its own story.
No one answered the question I posed before.
If we were buying Sander from someone else how much would you be happy to pay?

 

[ekke287]

I wonder what people expect Berge to do when Bogle / McAtee / Ndiaye / Doyle are bombing forward. Do they expect him to bomb forward somewhere else to look like he’s doing something?

Whenever we attacked on Saturday he was in space, dangerous space a number of times, and didn’t receive the ball. Though he had to be marked, which pulled a player away from whoever was bombing forward.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I’m firmly of the opinion that Berge is potentially useful to us in this promotion push, but will be useless for us next year if we’re in the Prem.

The only way he could survive there (and I don’t think he would) would be if he signed for a team that was pressing and holding possession more. That’s not with us, but I’d be surprised if he’s convinced better teams that he could do that job either. Not in England.

All the evidence of the PL2 is that the athletic CMs of the PL render Berge and his 'style' less than useless. We have evidence of this and there's no evidence he's actually improved as a player since we were last there.

Question to those that still defend him - what am I missing? What do you see in performances like Saturday and think: yep there's a £20m player in there?

Genuine question as I saw flashes in the early days, but again, based on the evidence before us, he's got worse year-on-year. Whether that's because of us/our coaching, him or a bit of both - surely there's no case for him being a £20m player now??

 

[SwindonBladeJnr]

I'm not sure if he's lazy/unfit/wants a move but he's definitely not wanted by me.

That's to be expected because you can't judge a player and have little knowledge about football.

 

[SwindonBladeJnr]

Just as people spout on with the 'whasamarrerwiyer? Weer second in t'leeg' nonsense which they think kills any debate about a player's worth on the pitch, it's strange the amount of mealy mouthed excuses we see trying badly to whittle away any criticism of Berge. He came here out of nowhere for an eyewatering fee for our club with not much pedigree or providence that he'd make it in the English game. The brief was that he was a flair-type defensive midfielder earmarked to elbow Lundstram out which actually did start the ejection of said player's Tommee Tippee, his rattle and then his loaded nappy out of the cot. So we've heard, and exhausted the 'he's just returned from injury' bollocks, we've heard the 'its a tough league', we've heard 'he does stuff during a match' (without much evidence) some offer 'he's not match fit' (erm ... so why is he fucking playing?) and now its 'he's already selt and protecting himsen from injury'

Face it. He's been here three years, scored a few tap ins, a penalty at Anfield and run past a few players. That's it. It's hardly fucking 'knob out' stuff is it? I've seen more from Oliver fucking Burke in danger and excitement and he was warm, chunky bobbar on and off the ball. He even scored at Old Trafford and we won! In that three years Berge has been on the sick-list half of that and when back takes twenty games to warm hissen up, giving us two or three games where his fanclub sat in the stands rub their lucky rabbit's feet hoping he's gonna rip the opposition to pieces. And he doesn't. He's shy in the tackle, freightend to death to get his head on the ball and coasts through games taking up a midfield position you'd get more from John Gannon, Mark Patterson, Nicky Montgomery or even fucking Michael Doyle. I see more endeavour from an ageing Basham running forward and trying to create than I do Berge. He's done for us people. Admit it. He's another one of Wilder's expensive duds, like Brewster, like McBurnie, like Mousset and like Freeman and Robinson v1.1 and the rest of the benchwarmers and failures he brought in.

End of season he needs to fuck off back to the cosier life of Belgium and we move on, another lesson learned from the glory days.

pommpey

Someone help this man get a life.

 

[AWetFlannel]

The fact that we have this discussion every week tells its own story.
No one answered the question I posed before.
If we were buying Sander from someone else how much would you be happy to pay?

If we were in the Prem and he was playing for Genk, 15mill ish.

 

[sitwell]

All the evidence of the PL2 is that the athletic CMs of the PL render Berge and his 'style' less than useless. We have evidence of this and there's no evidence he's actually improved as a player since we were last there.

Question to those that still defend him - what am I missing? What do you see in performances like Saturday and think: yep there's a £20m player in there?

Genuine question as I saw flashes in the early days, but again, based on the evidence before us, he's got worse year-on-year. Whether that's because of us/our coaching, him or a bit of both - surely there's no case for him being a £20m player now??

Shouldnt we be able to expect a 20m quid, international all conquering ex champions league star to adapt just a little and play outside the 10 foot square patch he wants to play in in a system that isnt built around his own determined formation ?

 

[sitwell]

That's to be expected because you can't judge a player and have little knowledge about football.

Do you also accumulate money from other Blades?

Someone help this man get a life.

Its you who needs to get a life.

 

[Carlton Blade]

The fee we paid is irrelevant. He's a talented lad who lacks the mentality to be a teams best player

 

[SwindonBladeJnr]

Its you who needs to get a life.

Elaborate, I'm all ears.

The very fact you responded answers my question. If you think thats acceptable, you carry on. As someone who lost money, forgive me for not feeling apologetic.

Explain how it is that I need to get a life big man.

 

[sitwell]

Elaborate, I'm all ears.

The very fact you responded answers my question. If you think thats acceptable, you carry on. As someone who lost money, forgive me for not feeling apologetic.

Explain how it is that I need to get a life big man.

Not being the snide gossipy type I dont really need to. Jog on.

 

[pommpey]

Someone help this man get a life.

Yeah. Cheers for that.

Usual forum response from a poster devoid of his own articulation about 'the subject'. You must be a joy to know. His only contribution in this debate is to take on other Blades about items other than 'Sander Berge'.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Most of this thread/forum is tripe.

Ta

He’s just out of form. Same people who were slagging off mcburnie and now rimming him have just reset there sights on Berge.

Not at all. McBurnie got whellbarrows load of shit for quite some time. He was dismal. Shithousing, out of position, chucking himself on the deck and winding up the officials. That, when he wasn't injured. And now he's injured again.

Lads played in the champions league, europa, and one of Norways biggest talents yet some how he’s not up to our standards (playing against luton, rotherham and blackpool) and its because he has no talent instead of form or how we are playing at the moment.

How we are playing at the moment is grinding out hard earned results to sustain up clear in the automatics. Be a lot less 'ground out' if our champions league/europa/Norways biggest talent player got his head out of his arse and started shitting tiffany cufflinks, like you portray the reputation he supposedly has. The fucker is struggling to impose on second string English league teams. Fuck knows what he'll be like against the elite next year if we go up.

pommpey

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Ta



Not at all. McBurnie got whellbarrows load of shit for quite some time. He was dismal. Shithousing, out of position, chucking himself on the deck and winding up the officials. That, when he wasn't injured. And now he's injured again.



How we are playing at the moment is grinding out hard earned results to sustain up clear in the automatics. Be a lot less 'ground out' if our champions league/europa/Norways biggest talent player got his head out of his arse and started shitting tiffany cufflinks, like you portray the reputation he supposedly has. The fucker is struggling to impose on second string English league teams. Fuck knows what he'll be like against the elite next year if we go up.

pommpey

As much as I think he is a luxury our win record with him in the team is far better than without. This stat often confuses me as I think he's a passenger for most of the game, I think I saw him sprint twice in the whole of Saturday's game. He can turn it on though & be the difference, we just dont see it often enough.

 

[finlaytheblade]

No fucker on here, including myself, knows what Berge is being asked to do each game by Hecky or which role Berge sees himself as his best role etc etc

Reality is Hecky keeps picking him so clearly he is doing good enough, even when he has a bad game

Sure that might annoy the Harry/Warnock/Blackwell disciples of how United should always play but it it what it is right now

Why quite a large section of our fan base want to bury the kid every game I can’t fathom but as with above, is what it is

Only trouble playing a player who is struggling(he seems low in self beleaf and confidence) is ! It's OK while we are winning ! results flatten out a bit and he will be a target for the boo boys.
He frustrates me and has done throughout out his time with us.
Every now then he shows some of TC ' s qualities the way he can go round players is great to see .He has a laid back style and seems half asleep in patches ! drifting out of the game which gets on fans tits.
How do we get more out of him? he must be frustrated as we are.He gets thrown forward late in matches when we are struggling which tells me his laid back style doas ' nt help us when the ball is hard to comeby.
Only wayhe will get prem football is probably with us so must be giving it his best shot.
Of course a prem club could take a punt on him!
What would we get ?possibly 15 million or is that stretching it.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

So is Berge good or shit?

 

[Working Class Hero]

So is Berge good or shit?

Good at bursting past a player and getting a cross in from the byline. Shit at everything else.

The thing he's good at can be very productive though, so this is the conundrum.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

So is Berge good or shit?

Yes

 

[pommpey]

As much as I think he is a luxury our win record with him in the team is far better than without. This stat often confuses me as I think he's a passenger for most of the game, I think I saw him sprint twice in the whole of Saturday's game. He can turn it on though & be the difference, we just dont see it often enough.

And in that, we are effectively playing with ten men. Imagine if Berge hauled his head out of his arse and actually turned it on. The results since he has returned back from injury are in spite of him rather than because of him. There's no doubt he has buckets of talent, just not in a Sheffield United shirt and playing for us.

pommpey

 

[Brownieblade]

Only trouble playing a player who is struggling(he seems low in self beleaf and confidence) is ! It's OK while we are winning ! results flatten out a bit and he will be a target for the boo boys.
He frustrates me and has done throughout out his time with us.
Every now then he shows some of TC ' s qualities the way he can go round players is great to see .He has a laid back style and seems half asleep in patches ! drifting out of the game which gets on fans tits.
How do we get more out of him? he must be frustrated as we are.He gets thrown forward late in matches when we are struggling which tells me his laid back style doas ' nt help us when the ball is hard to comeby.
Only wayhe will get prem football is probably with us so must be giving it his best shot.
Of course a prem club could take a punt on him!
What would we get ?possibly 15 million or is that stretching it.

I think the 100million dollar question is do clubs in prem league or other top leagues view Berge as CM/CDM who has flashed some ability whilst being played out of position

Or do they see a CM/CDM who has struggled to move on from potential shown

I do think most will put more stock in what he did playing for his country and the few matches in champ league rather than what he did in some lower league etc, but that’s just my opinion, could be wrong