CONFIRMED Benie Traore leaves on Loan

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His record in Sweden was good and I've seen glimpses that make me think there could be something there but he's not ready yet.

It'd be good to see him out wide rather than through the middle where space is congested and his lack of physicality is highlighted. Problem is those roles are taken by McAtee/Archer and you're not gonna take either of them off for Benie because they're our two best players who can make the difference at any point in a game and Benie hasn't yet shown he can impact a game at this level. Feels a little bit like Khadra with Ndiaye last year where it's just hard for him to get a look in

Lack of game time worries me but I wonder whether we might just keep him here to have our staff work with him on the physical stuff and get him playing in the youth team to get used to our style. Also gives him more of a chance to settle into the city and get to know his teammates. If we go down he'll get some games in the championship I'd imagine
 
Wizard said:
His record in Sweden was good and I've seen glimpses that make me think there could be something there but he's not ready yet.

It'd be good to see him out wide rather than through the middle where space is congested and his lack of physicality is highlighted. Problem is those roles are taken by McAtee/Archer and you're not gonna take either of them off for Benie because they're our two best players who can make the difference at any point in a game and Benie hasn't yet shown he can impact a game at this level. Feels a little bit like Khadra with Ndiaye last year where it's just hard for him to get a look in

Lack of game time worries me but I wonder whether we might just keep him here to have our staff work with him on the physical stuff and get him playing in the youth team to get used to our style. Also gives him more of a chance to settle into the city and get to know his teammates. If we go down he'll get some games in the championship I'd imagine
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His record in Sweden screams “small sample size fluke”.
 
Look, I saw enough in the first few games to see he’s nowhere near a player for this level.

Not just physically, but was several moments where he had the ball and had zero clue what to do with it.
Pass attempts were woeful, I recall a break away with Hamer busting a gut to get behind the defender and under zero pressure, oh is favoured foot, he played the ball to where Hamer was when he first saw him….by that time 5 yards behind him…Hamer tried to stop running but the defender simply advanced and took off up the pitch for an attack.
Another incident that I think was when we scored v city at home…he turned back onto his left and again tried to play a square pass into the box to the unmarked Hamer…it arrived at Hamers arse, smashed at him 3 ft off the ground…luckily we recycled it from the deflection and scored.
It was moments like those that were so obvious as to how poor he is that confirmed it. And ANY manager who would have watched him would have spotted those
Glaring flaws in his game
 
Grizzly blade said:
Look, I saw enough in the first few games to see he’s nowhere near a player for this level.

Not just physically, but was several moments where he had the ball and had zero clue what to do with it.
Pass attempts were woeful, I recall a break away with Hamer busting a gut to get behind the defender and under zero pressure, oh is favoured foot, he played the ball to where Hamer was when he first saw him….by that time 5 yards behind him…Hamer tried to stop running but the defender simply advanced and took off up the pitch for an attack.
Another incident that I think was when we scored v city at home…he turned back onto his left and again tried to play a square pass into the box to the unmarked Hamer…it arrived at Hamers arse, smashed at him 3 ft off the ground…luckily we recycled it from the deflection and scored.
It was moments like those that were so obvious as to how poor he is that confirmed it. And ANY manager who would have watched him would have spotted those
Glaring flaws in his game
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Maybe he is just lacking in confidence
 
Feel sorry for the lad in some ways.
This hasn't been the move he would really have wanted. And we have spent money unwisely here.
 
Revolution said:
He’s not a PL standard player. That’s manifestly obvious.
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But again, you’ve only got a very small sample size to base that judgement on. And when you take all factors into consideration it would be extremely stupid to write him off before he’s been given a real opportunity.
 
LJBlade said:
But again, you’ve only got a very small sample size to base that judgement on. And when you take all factors into consideration it would be extremely stupid to write him off before he’s been given a real opportunity.
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Extremely stupid? That's the Blades way, get rid 🤣
 
LJBlade said:
But again, you’ve only got a very small sample size to base that judgement on. And when you take all factors into consideration it would be extremely stupid to write him off before he’s been given a real opportunity.
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Would you be giving him minutes now?
 
jt64 said:
Extremely stupid? That's the Blades way, get rid 🤣
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He can be loaned out of course. I’d be fine with that.

But if he fails in, say, the Championship. What then?
 

Revolution said:
He’s not a PL standard player. That’s manifestly obvious.
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You're right Rev..

But we're not a Premier league standard team are we.

Keep him for next year, can't imagine he'll be on big wages and the championship might suit him..
 
He’s going to struggle with the physicality over here.

He’s like a Blades version of Leon Knight in terms of build. Hopefully he ends up better football-wise!
 
We only see glimpses of how good (or not) players are. Him falling down the pecking order under PH and sometimes not even making the 18 under CW would be a better indication of more informed views regarding his ability (or form).

I don't think many would argue that he hasn't performed at Prem standard so far. Whether he'll be able to do that any time soon (or ever!) remains to be seen. It would be a big call to bin him in Jan in order to fund an alternative though, especially as he'd be more likely to succeed in the Champ next season.

Personally, I'd much rather get rid of players that clearly won't ever be good enough e.g. Osborn or cash in on those likely to leave free in summer e.g Jebbison if 'wheeling & dealing' is indeed required in Jan to free-up budget.
 
Revolution said:
He can be loaned out of course. I’d be fine with that.

But if he fails in, say, the Championship. What then?
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Define fails? He's a developmental prospect, anyone expecting him to immediately come into the SUFC starting lineup and be bagging a dozen this season would be almost as deluded as expecting Spurs buying Lankshear off us as an immediate replacement for Kane. I'd also probably be fine with a loan, but I'm more interested in making sure that he continues to adapt his skills to the English game rather than being concerned with hitting some arbitrary goal count if he was to be loaned.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Look, I saw enough in the first few games to see he’s nowhere near a player for this level.

Not just physically, but was several moments where he had the ball and had zero clue what to do with it.
Pass attempts were woeful, I recall a break away with Hamer busting a gut to get behind the defender and under zero pressure, oh is favoured foot, he played the ball to where Hamer was when he first saw him….by that time 5 yards behind him…Hamer tried to stop running but the defender simply advanced and took off up the pitch for an attack.
Another incident that I think was when we scored v city at home…he turned back onto his left and again tried to play a square pass into the box to the unmarked Hamer…it arrived at Hamers arse, smashed at him 3 ft off the ground…luckily we recycled it from the deflection and scored.
It was moments like those that were so obvious as to how poor he is that confirmed it. And ANY manager who would have watched him would have spotted those
Glaring flaws in his game
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As you mention passing, Traore's passing accuracy (80,6) is second highest in the squad, among those who've played more than an hour. It doesn't prove much, but nor does selective episodes from some early season games where the team looked awful.

Unless Wilder's already decided he's not a player he rates, let's give him a bit more time before concluding?
 
Revolution said:
Would you be giving him minutes now?
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It would be a toss up between him and Brewster as someone who I’d chuck on when we’re chasing the game. That’s irrelevant though as even if I wouldn’t give him minutes it’s not the same as writing him off and declaring him to be not good enough.
 
Champagneblade said:
He’s going to struggle with the physicality over here.

He’s like a Blades version of Leon Knight in terms of build. Hopefully he ends up better football-wise!
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Leon Knight has scored in more Sheffield United matches than Traore has managed so far...
 
He’s a young lad who was completely thrown in at the deep end at the start of the season, playing in a poor team devoid of any sort of playing style, who were lumping the ball up to him and expecting him to deal with it. And after just three starts we’ve got people surprised that he hasn’t made an immediate impact.
 
I don't think we'll sell him but a loan out is needed. Preferably in the top end of league one or a championship side that do create a lot.

The club won't sell as the whole ethos is to buy young and cheap and develop and if he's shipped out asap most potential players would worry it could be them next.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
I don't think we'll sell him but a loan out is needed. Preferably in the top end of league one or a championship side that do create a lot.

The club won't sell as the whole ethos is to buy young and cheap and develop and if he's shipped out asap most potential players would worry it could be them next.
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The kid got his team to Europe last year there's no chance we sell him already unless for a profit or loan him as low as league one 🙄
 
Bergen Blade said:
As you mention passing, Traore's passing accuracy (80,6) is second highest in the squad, among those who've played more than an hour. It doesn't prove much, but nor does selective episodes from some early season games where the team looked awful.

Unless Wilder's already decided he's not a player he rates, let's give him a bit more time before concluding?
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It proves enough to me, as the passes I’m referring to would have been made by any other striker on the pitch such was the simplicity for a professional.
Would love to see the pass map for him, number of passes attempted and made.
Because another issue he has is that once he has the ball he tends to lose it before he’s done anything with it.

Stats are only so much of it, and when signing players stats alone should never be the be and end all. There’s no substitute for the eyes!
And my eyes have seen enough to know we have some lads already miles ahead of him. Osula for starters!
 

Bergen Blade said:
Souza and Larouci received similar criticism a while ago. Some tactical adjustments and they've shown they can have a role to play.

I'd like to see more of Traore too. His size and strength is a weakness, but it would be nice to see us making more use of his pace, technique and finishing ability at some point.
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Souza was always a good player. Poor decisions to play him along side Norwood hampered his natural game. Traore has shown nothing to imply he is a professional footballer. He’s right up there with that kid Southampton signed that they thought was George Weah’s cousin and were told he had played for PSG.
 
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