Basham.

[The_Green_Man]

Basham is another Monty in the respects that he will put on a shirt and give you everything that he possibly can, he doesn't guarantee you quality however he does guarantee you effort and work rate.

That said I can only see Basham coming undone and become more exposed in the new approach adopted by Wilder. I know we need a work horse who will get stuck in a break stuff down but this player also needs the ability to think fast on his feet and I always find that Basham needs that extra second more. He has been guilty on many occasion of taking the zip out of an attack.

 

[Rodley]

Basham is another Monty in the respects that he will put on a shirt and give you everything that he possibly can, he doesn't guarantee you quality however he does guarantee you effort and work rate.

That said I can only see Basham coming undone and become more exposed in the new approach adopted by Wilder. I know we need a work horse who will get stuck in a break stuff down but this player also needs the ability to think fast on his feet and I always find that Basham needs that extra second more. He has been guilty on many occasion of taking the zip out of an attack.

He has far less impact than Montgomery. Not fit to lace his boots.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I've been saying it for a year. He's a squad player at best. Doesn't excel at any particular skill and lacks mobility. Another one we have to replace if we want to push for promotion.

The lad tries and has a good attitude but we simply have to do better if we want to move forward. Not good enough.

 

[The_Green_Man]

He has far less impact than Montgomery. Not fit to lace his boots.

I said in respects to his workrate and effort Rodley mate, not in regards to his overall impact.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

May I add to the "Reasons to top oneself as a consequence of following the RAWW" by throwing in the view that give it another 4 or 5 games and Fleck will have settled reassuringly into the WTF happened to him/ Thought he had a very good start but mode of mediocrity and minimal effort.
Anyway,Yorkshire look like they`re in with a shot at the treble this season so it`s not all bad.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Basham seems to have been going downhill since joining us. He initially could play centre back or midfield and it wasn't unusual to see him ghost past two or three players in midfield, despite a lack of ball control. Won The Star player of the year with Jamie Murphy April 2015. Has started season slowly last two seasons. Worth persisting with to see if he comes good, but I'm starting to lose faith as he gets older.

To be fair Basham wasn't going up hill before he joined us , he was already going down hill . Wilder like Adkins has again misjudged a number of players . May have been due to needs must and the hope of change of manager , change of player .

This only works for a player usually with a change of club.

Wilder so realisation and exactly were we are as kicked in . I don't think we have Micky Adams number 2 at the lane , but after 10 games the benchmark will have been set .

Wilder for all his bluster again may have misjudged certain players both good and bad. We ain't Northampton .

 

[Keen Blade]

Banham is better coming off the bench .

Bannan ? Now there's a CM we could do with !

 

[Grappler]

I've been saying it for a year. He's a squad player at best. Doesn't excel at any particular skill and lacks mobility. Another one we have to replace if we want to push for promotion.

The lad tries and has a good attitude but we simply have to do better if we want to move forward. Not good enough.

This again highlights or current predicament. Over the last 6 or more years, we have let good players go (Beattie, Blackman, Quinn, Maguire, etc.) and replaced them with lesser talented players. Then we let the lesser talented players go and replace them with even less talented players, or players with terrible injury records that we "take a chance on", or journeyman players looking for a final paycheck who we "take a chance on", and eventually, you end up with a team where nearly everyone needs replacing.

I am sure that CW knew that we needed to bin virtually the entire team, but also knew that was not a realistic possibility, so had to try and keep the best of a bad bunch, and hope that people would come in with offers for Coutts and co, so that he could then buy more players and eventually get rid of the remainder of the" best of a bad bunch".

Without serious money from the clubs owners, we won't do this overnight.

(imagine a real high roller bankrolling the club)

"who do we need Chris?"

"well I would say an entire new team made up of all the best players from League 2, League 1, and a couple of experienced, below-the-radar Championship players, mid to late 20's, big, strong and fast, who are not getting first team games at their clubs, maybe even a young Premier League loanee"

"OK and how much would this cost Chris?"

"probably the best part of 10 million, maybe more"

"Well surely that 10 million would be repaid once we get out of League 1 and in the Championships wouldn't it Chris?",

"well yes it would Boss"

" well there you go then, I will arrange the funds this week, go and make it happen Chris, we can't have a club like Sheffield United in League 1 any longer",

"Thanks Boss"

"Thanks Chris"

 

[Keen Blade]

I must have done 6 posts on the need to get the likeable but ineffectual Basham out of the starting 11.
Just look where he came from to give you an idea of his pedigree.
If O'Connell is out for Saturday , maybe this forces CW's hand to put Basham where he belongs - on the bench as sub for CB. Whence he should never return. And we maybe we don't need to recruit a CB if O'Connell returns.
If Long is out for Saturday , it may be just the jolt CW needs to get a second senior GK in , as cover.
I guarantee this :
If Basham stays in the starting 11 , we are not a promotion team.
If Done stays on the LW , we are not a promotion team.
We might have a chance if :
We bring in a CM who turns out to be the highest quality player in the squad and he plays 45 league games alongside Fleck.
We bring in a left-footer who turns out to be the second-highest quality player in the squad and he is capable of playing LW or CM should Fleck be out.
Done is sub striker.
Basham is sub CB.
BUT THE NEXT TWO SIGNINGS HAVE TO BE AT CM & LW AND THEY HAVE TO BE OF A HIGHER QUALITY THAN ANYTHING BROUGHT IN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
Apologies for shouting but I was hoping Sir Kevin McIncapable would hear me.
If we make the next two signings in the average/unimpressive category , there is just no point in making them.
Because we could put Scougall & Coutts in if we want to stay in League 1.

 

[SwissBlade]

Basham will always do a job, but he's definitely not a centre Midfielder, just like Jags wasn't. Basham is a very similar player to Jags, he is clearly very fit so naturally his 'engine' allows him to be able to do a job in centre mid. He has decent football ability, but its limited, he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. All of this means that he can put a shift in at Centre Mid. None of this makes him a Centre midfielder though, for me thats the difference.

Jags found out that to be a success he should focus on being a very decent Centre half. Basham should do the same

 

[larkymasher]

So now Bash has proved that he is not the answer to CM some seem to think he better at CH. is this the same player who got slaughtered on this very forum each week saying he was a shocking, non aggressive, poor passing, non header of the ball centre back SUFC had ever had?

If he is not good enough let's stop wedging him in the bloody team then

 

[larkymasher]

I'll not criticise Bash - he works his socks off and if more players showed his commitment I don't believe we would be where we are.

However, he is, in my opinion, far better as a centre half. Largely because he reads the game well, has height and it's less important how good your distribution is.

Distribution is vital in a centre back. If you can't bloody pass the ball then you are doomed !!

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Distribution is vital in a centre back. If you can't bloody pass the ball then you are doomed !!

Morgs,Morris,Stancliffe,Kenworthy,Flynn,Colqhoun... none of them were exactly Franz Beckenbauer but they did oreet as I recall.

The first and foremost job of a CB is to stop the attack and clear the danger.
Owt else is like a threesome wi Sandra Bullock geein a cream pie to Jenifer Anniston like.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

In the role Basham should be playing, for me, it isn't his lack of quality that's the problem (Fleck has been brought in to do the quality bit in midfield), it's his lack on the other side of the game, the tackling, heading, aggression, leadership, presence, drive. We need a bigger and better version of Doyle, Basham isn't that player. I'd keep him as a utility player but that's it for me.

 

[larkymasher]

Morgs,Morris,Stancliffe,Kenworthy,Flynn,Colqhoun... none of them were exactly Franz Beckenbauer but they did oreet as I recall.

The first and foremost job of a CB is to stop the attack and clear the danger.
Owt else is like a threesome wi Sandra Bullock geein a cream pie to Jenifer Anniston like.

Exactly and Basham has got fuck all of the qualities highlighted to be a centre back.

 

[coolhandluke]

Basham is another Monty in the respects that he will put on a shirt and give you everything that he possibly can, he doesn't guarantee you quality however he does guarantee you effort and work rate.

That said I can only see Basham coming undone and become more exposed in the new approach adopted by Wilder. I know we need a work horse who will get stuck in a break stuff down but this player also needs the ability to think fast on his feet and I always find that Basham needs that extra second more. He has been guilty on many occasion of taking the zip out of an attack.

Hit the nail fairly and squarely on the head there mate .

The numbers of times Basham got the ball and didn't really know what to do with it drove me to sheer frustration last night .

The real problem with this is it slows everything down and gives the opposition time to regroup . All momentum is lost and players in good positions screaming for the ball are far too easily picked back up by the opposition defence .

We need a better quality CM desperately .

 

[Bergen Blade]

Basham's shortcomings are more obvious if other players aren't making up for it, especially against teams defending deep. Do we have enough creative players in the current first XI?

Neither Sharp or Clarke are the type of players who make their own chances on a regular basis. Done lacks the ability to unlock a defence that are back in numbers and although his energy and movement can help, he's best used if he gets on the end of things. Leaving Fleck, who teams are going to become very focused on, and Duffy. I think we need more flair.

Basham's position is one where it would be good to have a more attacking option, but there are also other positions we could look at, to help us create more and bigger chances.

 

[BushBlade]

Basham's shortcomings are more obvious if other players aren't making up for it, especially against teams defending deep. Do we have enough creative players in the current first XI?

Neither Sharp or Clarke are the type of players who make their own chances on a regular basis. Done lacks the ability to unlock a defence that are back in numbers and although his energy and movement can help, he's best used if he gets on the end of things. Leaving Fleck, who teams are going to become very focused on, and Duffy. I think we need more flair.

Basham's position is one where it would be good to have a more attacking option, but there are also other positions we could look at, to help us create more and bigger chances.

If we're playing 442 we need a proper box to box CM and a proper wide midfielder. As you say, having only two creative options means it's easy to stop us from playing.

 

[Bergen Blade]

If we're playing 442 we need a proper box to box CM and a proper wide midfielder. As you say, having only two creative options means it's easy to stop us from playing.

I've been quite excited about Wilder's 4-2-3-1 system with lots of movement, pressing and high tempo. But if this is going to turn into a more static, basic 4-4-2 with Sharp and Clarke up front, I think we have few more things to fix.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

He's a trier - fuck triers
Just because rubbish players putting effort in is marginally better than the lazy bunch of wankers we had last season, doesn't change the fact we've settled for too many triers over the last 30 years and that's why the dogshit 'achievements' over the past few decades continue to be dwarfed by our amazing fanbase.

Fuck basham off, not good enough

Now listen here Reece.................................., yeah you"re right.

 

[Dnblade]

I always thought his best games have been at Centre Back,but he still had shortcomings there..When he played at Wing Back under Adkins he could get up and down,but no end product,never put in a decent cross...In the middle he just gets up and down,the only passing he does is passing responsibility onto someone else..when he gets in the box he becomes all headless chicken...He'd be OK as a utility player off the bench..can't fault his attitude,but not good enough for me.

 

[Snowman]

Basham........needs must. Much as I like Wilder, it wasn't going to happen overnight. The fact that he appears to have got two out of three CB he wanted and that they are an improvement on last year is cause for joy as is Clarke and Fleck. Wilder is probably less of a bullshitter than the previous two but if he has got to keep some crap in the team because he can't afford a complete overhaul he's going to say that Basham will play where he wants. What's the alternative? Piss off an adequate utility player who at least gives everything? Difficult job this man management.

 

[Subway Cyril]

he was runner up for player of the season 2 years ago everybody loved him then! Its a bit like with scougall, that first season with Clough he was on fire, scored at wembley, and the cup runs we seemed to be really kicking on. That lap of honour after Coventry game and we finished 7th?. It all went belly up after that over the summer, somert went wrong and it hasnt been right since. I cant make my mind up about Basham, maybe best to get rid like with McEvely

 

[coolhandluke]

he was runner up for player of the season 2 years ago everybody loved him then! Its a bit like with scougall, that first season with Clough he was on fire, scored at wembley, and the cup runs we seemed to be really kicking on. That lap of honour after Coventry game and we finished 7th?. It all went belly up after that over the summer, somert went wrong and it hasnt been right since. I cant make my mind up about Basham, maybe best to get rid like with McEvely

I don't think we should get rid of Basham , he can cover in a number of different positions .

Where I do agree though is the fact that he can't be an automatic first choice in any position , especially CM

 

[1danewhitehouse]

This only works for a player usually with a change of club.

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Doesn’t always require a change of club. A new manager can turn players around if there are sufficient raw ingredients to work with.


Warnock brought Shaun Murphy back from the brink.


Wilson turned Ched, Quinn and Williamson into stars (albeit at a lower level).


Clough breathed new life into Jamie Murphy.


It can happen but there aren’t (m)any players in our squad in my opinion that have it in them.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So now Bash has proved that he is not the answer to CM some seem to think he better at CH. is this the same player who got slaughtered on this very forum each week saying he was a shocking, non aggressive, poor passing, non header of the ball centre back SUFC had ever had?

If he is not good enough let's stop wedging him in the bloody team then

I think that’s a huge exaggeration of how people described him at CB. I think most said he wasn’t quite dominant enough in the air and didn’t always get enough distance on his headers for a centre half but was relatively good at playing out from the back and was quite mobile by CB standards.


I remain firmly of the opinion that he is “OK” in both CM and CB but not exceptional in either. You can get promoted with people like that in the team but you need balance and to have match winners elsewhere in the team which he certainly isn’t. Signing a quality left winger would go a long way to addressing both of those points.


At worst, he’s a good squad player. At best, he’s a decent, but not exceptional first team player.


For those who say we can’t get promoted with him in CM. We did it with Monty in the side in the league above. We got 90 points in this league with a team that included Simmo, Collins, Doyle and Cresswell. It’s all about the overall make-up of the team. Having one or two mediocre players in there doesn’t preclude a team from being promoted.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Basham's shortcomings are more obvious if other players aren't making up for it, especially against teams defending deep. Do we have enough creative players in the current first XI?

Neither Sharp or Clarke are the type of players who make their own chances on a regular basis. Done lacks the ability to unlock a defence that are back in numbers and although his energy and movement can help, he's best used if he gets on the end of things. Leaving Fleck, who teams are going to become very focused on, and Duffy. I think we need more flair.

Basham's position is one where it would be good to have a more attacking option, but there are also other positions we could look at, to help us create more and bigger chances.

Agree with this. I think it’s easier to find a left winger who can add flair, pace and creativity than it is to find a CM who has those attributes but also has the engine and defensive ability to partner Fleck in a 442.

 

[BushBlade]

I think that’s a huge exaggeration of how people described him at CB. I think most said he wasn’t quite dominant enough in the air and didn’t always get enough distance on his headers for a centre half but was relatively good at playing out from the back and was quite mobile by CB standards.


I remain firmly of the opinion that he is “OK” in both CM and CB but not exceptional in either. You can get promoted with people like that in the team but you need balance and to have match winners elsewhere in the team which he certainly isn’t. Signing a quality left winger would go a long way to addressing both of those points.


At worst, he’s a good squad player. At best, he’s a decent, but not exceptional first team player.


For those who say we can’t get promoted with him in CM. We did it with Monty in the side in the league above. We got 90 points in this league with a team that included Simmo, Collins, Doyle and Cresswell. It’s all about the overall make-up of the team. Having one or two mediocre players in there doesn’t preclude a team from being promoted.

Your last paragraph highlights something we all often overlook; partnerships. We got away with those players because Collins was a good partner for Maguire, Doyle and KMac worked well together and Cressy got the best out of Ched. Three partnerships that formed the spine of the team.

 

[larkymasher]

I think that’s a huge exaggeration of how people described him at CB. I think most said he wasn’t quite dominant enough in the air and didn’t always get enough distance on his headers for a centre half but was relatively good at playing out from the back and was quite mobile by CB standards.


I remain firmly of the opinion that he is “OK” in both CM and CB but not exceptional in either. You can get promoted with people like that in the team but you need balance and to have match winners elsewhere in the team which he certainly isn’t. Signing a quality left winger would go a long way to addressing both of those points.


At worst, he’s a good squad player. At best, he’s a decent, but not exceptional first team player.


For those who say we can’t get promoted with him in CM. We did it with Monty in the side in the league above. We got 90 points in this league with a team that included Simmo, Collins, Doyle and Cresswell. It’s all about the overall make-up of the team. Having one or two mediocre players in there doesn’t preclude a team from being promoted.

Again pal I fully agree with you. He is either a squad player but not a starter for me.

My main point is that on this forum he is either great or crap. There are very view mid range opinions.

I think as a back up he is as good a squad player you could wish for.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Doesn’t always require a change of club. A new manager can turn players around if there are sufficient raw ingredients to work with.


Warnock brought Shaun Murphy back from the brink.


Wilson turned Ched, Quinn and Williamson into stars (albeit at a lower level).


Clough breathed new life into Jamie Murphy.


It can happen but there aren’t (m)any players in our squad in my opinion that have it in them.

That the problem there ain't one who can be turned around and I include all on the transfer list , Basham , Scoug , McNulty , Long in the mix.

That why we have to start again with new players with a clean brain free mentality . Ours just seem to be brainwashed of self confidence and winning .

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