Basham.

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....also consider that the subs played a whole lot better than the players they replaced and maybe there could be a way forward. Basham was ....meh. Sharpie ran with little effect, Clarke is like Sammon, he can't jump as high as he stands tall (didn't see the goal as I arrived late from work). Done seemed a threat but I thought that Scougs did put himself about a bit and was a little creative in linking with McNulty and Duffy when he wondered over to the centre.

The little bit that Basham did was ok but we need to understand the system (which I can't but I saw that they changed when they got tired - sideways and back instead of penetrating)!
 
Great energy and lots of enthusiasm from Basham - you always get 100% but definitely lacks the quality we need. If he keeps in the team his role needs to be breaking play up from the opposition and winning the ball and giving to Fleck to do the creative work
 
i like Basham, anyone who puts in the effort he does deserves at least some credit regardless of quality. Don't get me wrong he can frustrate the life out of me at times but overall i like him. Shall i go stand on me own in the corner?
 
i like Basham, anyone who puts in the effort he does deserves at least some credit regardless of quality. Don't get me wrong he can frustrate the life out of me at times but overall i like him. Shall i go stand on me own in the corner?

Yes please.
I like him..it's just what he brings to the pitch I'm not so keen on...not for Sheffield United anyhow...
 
Wilder let players choose the position they want to play and think they are best at. I personally think Basham is better at centre back.

One of the main problems is he doesn't have someone pushing for his place. As others have said he works hard and has a good attitude but doesn't have the quality. Another position we've struggled with in recent seasons.

I like what I've seen of Fleck but he needs a better partner than Basham in midfield.
 
Sorry, thought Basham was ok last night and I totally disagree re the subs. Sharp is definitely not quite right, so McNulty was an improvement. The other two, no. All about opinions.
 
Yes please.
I like him..it's just what he brings to the pitch I'm not so keen on...not for Sheffield United anyhow...

We all liked Monty's effort - but not his ability with the ball.

Bash is great in a 5 - but not how he is expected to play - OR, are we misinterpreting what Winder expects from Bash? Is it the other midfield players that aren't doing their job?

Last season (and before) we had major issues in CD - we can't be talking until Xmas that we now have issues in midfield and be mid table.

The situation looks depressingly similar to the past 2 managers making silly decisions and playing daft formations with players that are incapable of doing what they want.

UTB
 
I wouldn't hesitate to put him at right back if, hopefully when we get someone to replace him in midfield.

It would make us taller and more solid defensively, and he has more than enough stamina to get up and down and support attacks for 90 minutes.
 
Basham, everything he does is just too slow, whether it's a tackle or a pass it takes too long. Don't think the link between his brain and his feet works right!
And Wilder has said he wants players that are quick thinkers,maybe Wilder can see what we see.
 



I'll not criticise Bash - he works his socks off and if more players showed his commitment I don't believe we would be where we are.

However, he is, in my opinion, far better as a centre half. Largely because he reads the game well, has height and it's less important how good your distribution is.
 
....also consider that the subs played a whole lot better than the players they replaced and maybe there could be a way forward. Basham was ....meh. Sharpie ran with little effect, Clarke is like Sammon, he can't jump as high as he stands tall

From were i was sat Clarke won almost every header/flick on.. He will score this season o_O
 
I'll not criticise Bash - he works his socks off and if more players showed his commitment I don't believe we would be where we are.

However, he is, in my opinion, far better as a centre half. Largely because he reads the game well, has height and it's less important how good your distribution is.
This.

100% this.

UTB
 
Basham, everything he does is just too slow, whether it's a tackle or a pass it takes too long. Don't think the link between his brain and his feet works right!

Think that was proved when he had that chance to have a shot......took him that long to react, he was closed down, when most other players would have managed to get a quicker shot in.
 
What I just can't work out is why so many players who are supposed to be decent turn to shit when they come to the Lane and why managers keep persisting with formations that don't suit the players we have.

This looks like Adkins all over again. Four four fucking two with some of the same players who couldn't play that system last season. And what's going on with Sharp? He can't form a partnership with Che, he can't form a partnership with Clarke, he can't play up front on his own. What does he fucking want? Someone to do his running for him whilst he stands in the box waiting for service like he had to do for Beattie?
Is he unsettled? Do the Birmingham rumours have some substance? Is he struggling with the responsibility of being captain? Or is he just carrying a bit of an injury and will be back to form soon?

Or is it just that the transfer budget CW had is so low he's had to spread it around too thinly?

We seem as fucked as the pigs were under the Strafford regime where whatever they did failed.
 
Sorry, thought Basham was ok last night and I totally disagree re the subs. Sharp is definitely not quite right, so McNulty was an improvement. The other two, no. All about opinions.

that's the trouble with Bash tho'......generally he is only ever ok, which is abit below what we requite atm.
I agree with regards the subs tho'.
 
He's a trier - fuck triers
Just because rubbish players putting effort in is marginally better than the lazy bunch of wankers we had last season, doesn't change the fact we've settled for too many triers over the last 30 years and that's why the dogshit 'achievements' over the past few decades continue to be dwarfed by our amazing fanbase.

Fuck basham off, not good enough
 
What I just can't work out is why so many players who are supposed to be decent turn to shit when they come to the Lane and why managers keep persisting with formations that don't suit the players we have.

This looks like Adkins all over again. Four four fucking two with some of the same players who couldn't play that system last season. And what's going on with Sharp? He can't form a partnership with Che, he can't form a partnership with Clarke, he can't play up front on his own. What does he fucking want? Someone to do his running for him whilst he stands in the box waiting for service like he had to do for Beattie?
Is he unsettled? Do the Birmingham rumours have some substance? Is he struggling with the responsibility of being captain? Or is he just carrying a bit of an injury and will be back to form soon?

Or is it just that the transfer budget CW had is so low he's had to spread it around too thinly?

We seem as fucked as the pigs were under the Strafford regime where whatever they did failed.

One league game in folks, one league game in....:eek::eek::eek:
 
Basham seems to have been going downhill since joining us. He initially could play centre back or midfield and it wasn't unusual to see him ghost past two or three players in midfield, despite a lack of ball control. Won The Star player of the year with Jamie Murphy April 2015. Has started season slowly last two seasons. Worth persisting with to see if he comes good, but I'm starting to lose faith as he gets older.
 
IMO, Basham is a bit like Paul Coutts. Where Coutts has "quality on the ball", Bash has "enthusiasm".

Basic problem is, in my view, that both have zero influence on games & they both offer nothing positive - no goalscoring, no assist-making, both sideways/backwards passers. Bash even offers almost as little defensively, except the occasional rousing tackle, as Coutts does. The game goes on and passes the both of them by.

Coutts is just wasting a subs position and Bash is wasting a first team place.

Can only hope Wilder keeps his revolution rolling quickly - brings more in over the next week or two and squeezes more out. We need more than the 6 new first teamers that Wilder's brought in. And we need a much more impactful subs bench.
 
One league game in folks, one league game in....:eek::eek::eek:
Two competitive games. Our first team just got beaten by a league two team. Done out of position again, Basham in a two man midfield again.
CW has plenty of time to turn it around but I'm getting tired of the same old shit year on year out and I doubt I'm alone.

Of course you could have tried to address the questions I've asked.
 
I find it difficult to understand what exactly a player like Basham's purpose is in the side? Whilst I have not seen every game he has played the ones I have been at make it no clearer. While tall and enthusiastic (clearly 2 attributes not always associated with our recent players) he does not seem to me to offer anything specific in midfield, not a ball winner, not a real threat in the air, not a play maker and not a goal threat. He seems to me to be Bob Booker "lite" . BB played with much better players than Basham so that helps but BB also drew on all his relatively limited abilities and crucially could find that important tackle or goal when it was needed, a knack (skill?) that Basham does not have. He has filled in in defensive roles before, specifically at CH, but again for me not really the standard we need there too. Ultimately he appears to me honest trier who despite admirable effort does not really have what it takes for a club with our alleged ambitions (he is clearly not alone here). The fact that he tries so hard makes him often stand out and garner admirers but the lack of effort from others in the side should not mask the lack of actual product from Basham.
 



Two competitive games. Our first team just got beaten by a league two team. Done out of position again, Basham in a two man midfield again.
CW has plenty of time to turn it around but I'm getting tired of the same old shit year on year out and I doubt I'm alone.

Of course you could have tried to address the questions I've asked.
You certainly are not alone
 

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