Attacking intent

[Tyler Durden]

Bellend

Aye, he was. Glad you agree.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Erm, it's a personal view. That's how football forums work.

Anyway, I hope that Colins one achievement in 7 years keeps you warm at night. He never planned to stay that long after all.

Happy to help.

Erm, you said that Wilder is the best manager we've ever had (in recent decades).
If that's your honest opinion that's fine but don't expect others not to question it. That's how football forums work.
If you had said Wilder is the most likeable manager we've had since Bassett, i would have agreed with you but I thought you were basing it on merit not personality.

League Cup Semi Finalist , FA Cup Semi Finalist, 3rd in Championship, Championship Play-Off Finalist, Promoted as 2nd in Championship = One achievement? And you claim I don't know anything about our history?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Erm, you said that Wilder is the best manager we've ever had (in recent decades).
If that's your honest opinion that's fine but don't expect others not to question it. That's how football forums work.
If you had said Wilder is the most likeable manager we've had since Bassett, i would have agreed with you but I thought you were basing it on merit not personality.

League Cup Semi Finalist , FA Cup Semi Finalist, 3rd in Championship, Championship Play-Off Finalist, Promoted as 2nd in Championship = One achievement? And you claim I don't know anything about our history?

In that second paragraph you confirmed exactly what I was talking about. One actual achievement in 7 years. The rest is failure.
Plus he was desperate to fuck off to Pompey long before his only achievement occured anyway.

Just begs the question: Who's more deluded, Cloughs fanboys or Warnocks?

 

[PokerBlade]

Wilder likes to start games with a high risk, high reward approach. We press high, commit players forward, and look to dominate. Once we got up and running in League One, and it became clear we had the advantage in terms of quality of players and depth of squad, that was to some extent "easy" to do against a lot of teams down there.

What really impressed me was that when we got to our tougher games (the run where we had Bolton and Scunthorpe close together) he never abandoned those principles. And then when promotion was almost official, he kept going. No trying to grind out points, no holding on to that point you start with (as Clough loved to put it). We went for it every game.

What's impressed me even more than that, is stepping up to the Championship and now we're playing teams who have the advantage in terms of players in key positions and squad depth, and still going for every game. Wanting to dominate, wanting to press, wanting to take risks, trying to win even if it comes with risks. We could play more conservatively and I'd bet we'd lose fewer games, but we'd win a lot fewer too. It takes a lot more guts than going out to frustrate opposition but never really pressing for the win, like in our Prem season, it just has the benefit of being a model that can actually bring long term success.

The big test will be if, and there's a fair chance of this happening some point in our first season up here, a bad run of results comes and Wilder still has the bottle to stick with his principles. Because if we're going to keep progressing as a club it's going to be in the manner that Wilder's laid out so far.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

In that second paragraph you confirmed exactly what I was talking about. One actual achievement in 7 years. The rest is failure.
Plus he was desperate to fuck off to Pompey long before his only achievement occured anyway.

Just begs the question: Who's more deluded, Cloughs fanboys or Warnocks?

I hope Wilder "fails" to the same level as Warnock did.
I fear though he won't ever be able to reach those dizzy heights of failure.
I'm not sure why a thread about Wilder's brilliant attacking intent is being used to make personal attacks on our undisputed most successful manager of the century?
Why not have a go at Heath, Robson, Adams or Weir instead?

 

[tomtheblade]

Jesus Tyler Durden ... haven't we had enough moments of pain and suffering under shit managers throughout the years without also denigrating the ones who actually got us anywhere close to the good times, and yes those are Warnock and Bassett, whatever their flaws (and I acknowledge they both had them)

What are you, a masochist or something?

 

[Aston max]

I played cricket with warnock when I was younger and was quite in awe of the man being a professional footballer , but I came into contact with a couple of the guys he played with at rotherham through work , I happened to mention who I played with and one of them asked me does he play the I am a professional card and said to me next time he does to wind him up just ask him who he played for and watch the bigger arse hole come out and it did !! the man has ability as a manager in lower leagues but I dont think this runs to the top division in wilder we now have a manager who can alter his tactics to suit how the games going , even if the miracle happened and next season we are in the premier I will feel more confident with chris than I did with warnock we have already seen he is going to be ruthless with the squad

 

[blade67]

Wilder likes to start games with a high risk, high reward approach. We press high, commit players forward, and look to dominate. Once we got up and running in League One, and it became clear we had the advantage in terms of quality of players and depth of squad, that was to some extent "easy" to do against a lot of teams down there.

What really impressed me was that when we got to our tougher games (the run where we had Bolton and Scunthorpe close together) he never abandoned those principles. And then when promotion was almost official, he kept going. No trying to grind out points, no holding on to that point you start with (as Clough loved to put it). We went for it every game.

What's impressed me even more than that, is stepping up to the Championship and now we're playing teams who have the advantage in terms of players in key positions and squad depth, and still going for every game. Wanting to dominate, wanting to press, wanting to take risks, trying to win even if it comes with risks. We could play more conservatively and I'd bet we'd lose fewer games, but we'd win a lot fewer too. It takes a lot more guts than going out to frustrate opposition but never really pressing for the win, like in our Prem season, it just has the benefit of being a model that can actually bring long term success.

The big test will be if, and there's a fair chance of this happening some point in our first season up here, a bad run of results comes and Wilder still has the bottle to stick with his principles. Because if we're going to keep progressing as a club it's going to be in the manner that Wilder's laid out so far.

Really good post. I think he also needs some strength in depth for it to work in this league as it's going to be exhausting the way they played yesterday. Some of the signings are going to be needed as the season progresses

 

[Tyler Durden]

Jesus Tyler Durden ... haven't we had enough moments of pain and suffering under shit managers throughout the years without also denigrating the ones who actually got us anywhere close to the good times, and yes those are Warnock and Bassett, whatever their flaws (and I acknowledge they both had them)

What are you, a masochist or something?

Far from it. Which is why I'm delighted to now have a manager who is a genuine bloke and cares deeply about this club.

Instead of some charlatan arsehole who played the "I'm a super duper mega Blade" card yet was willing to derail his "beloved" teams promotion bid because he wouldn't wait a few months for a contract.

If we give Chris Wilder the luxury of 7 years he'll take us much further.

 

[SwissBlade]

I was a Bassett fanboy, Warnock fanboy, a Clough fanboy and now a Wilder fanboy. They've all been different in personality and styles but behind each of them is a footballing philosophy based on hard work, organisation and passion.

Clough really impressed me in those cup games and some of the players he brought in were ideal for the 3-5-2 that we now play. Sadly, Clough wasn't expansive enough in league games

Wilder, for me has something different to all the above - adaptability.

Back to the OP and I agree Wilder plays with the attacking intent throughout the game. Whether we're 1-0 up, 4-0 up or 2-0 down you know that we will keep trying to score more. That's the way to close the game out, score more.

Interestingly though he's not gung-ho, keegan-esque, because he understands the importance of organisation. What's the point in scoring 1 when you leave yourselves exposed to concede 2.

One thing is for sure, the style we play with has to remain for home games.

Away games still have a question mark and we need to figure out how to compress sides like they compress us when we're away

 

[Fanny magnet]

Erm, it's a personal view. That's how football forums work.

Anyway, I hope that Colins one achievement in 7 years keeps you warm at night. He never planned to stay that long after all.

Happy to help.

All your posts on this subject say to me is that when wilder leaves or is sacked you will slag him off just as much

 

[Tyler Durden]

All your posts on this subject say to me is that when wilder leaves or is sacked you will slag him off just as much

I doubt it. I've never slagged off Adkins, Wilson, Weir, Adams, Blackwell or even Robson. They just weren't up to the job and that's fair enough.
I dislike Warnock because he has zero integrity. Wilder is both a good manager and a good man.

 

[Fanny magnet]

I doubt it. I've never slagged off Adkins, Wilson, Weir, Adams, Blackwell or even Robson. They just weren't up to the job and that's fair enough.
I dislike Warnock because he has zero integrity. Wilder is both a good manager and a good man.

He is now but lose a few games and you'll find something to despise him for

 

[Tyler Durden]

He is now but lose a few games and you'll find something to despise him for

I've literally just listed a bunch of managers who I've never "despised" despite being shit.
I dislike just two out of fuck knows how many we've had in my lifetime.

 

[robbiez666]

The most consistently attacking mind set in my time of watching United, we have had brief flashes, Under Spackman for three months, the triple assault season of 2002-2003 under Warnock

..but at the moment it feels like the verge of something great.

I was a Wilder sceptic when he got the job, never been so delighted to have been wrong about anything.

This

 

[Fanny magnet]

I've literally just listed a bunch of managers who I've never "despised" despite being shit.
I dislike just two out of fuck knows how many we've had in my lifetime.

The best two the rest arent worth commenting on

 

[robbiez666]

If he can keep the home form and performances going and sort us out away, who knows. I think the latter may take a while to remedy.

 

[Pinchy]

I do know our club's history. Shame you choose to ignore it, old boy.
If Wilder gets us promoted out of the Championship, he will eclipse Warnock.
If he does that and then keeps us in the top flight for four seasons, he will better even Bassett.
Wilder is a Blades fan and even he would acknowledge and accept that he's currently third in the post-70's achievement rankings.
I think you might be confusing facts and logic with personal abuse (again)

You conveniently forget Bassett and Warnock's relegations. Ian Porterfield left us two divisions higher than when he took over. Your Hoofy heroes? Exactly where they started.

 

[Wudsblade]

Back to Wilder - what I like is the fact he learns from games. He learned from the two defeats at Middlesborough and Cardiff and we came out of the blocks quicker more attack minded got the ball forward out wide quickly against Barnsley. I think he learned from Leicester game so against Derby we tried the slide rule passes through the middle . They nearly worked. Wilder as teacher also has a group players willing to listen and the ideas and training routines into practice. I think Wilder and Knill are a great partnership. The futures bright. UTB

 

[Wudsblade]

Sorry 'put the ideas and training routines into practice'

 

[tomtheblade]

Back to Wilder - what I like is the fact he learns from games. He learned from the two defeats at Middlesborough and Cardiff and we came out of the blocks quicker more attack minded got the ball forward out wide quickly against Barnsley. I think he learned from Leicester game so against Derby we tried the slide rule passes through the middle . They nearly worked. Wilder as teacher also has a group players willing to listen and the ideas and training routines into practice. I think Wilder and Knill are a great partnership. The futures bright. UTB

Couldn't agree more.

How many times have we heard fans, including our own, on phone-ins complaining that their manager is too stubborn. It appears to be a really common problem in football as well, and perhaps why so many get sacked too early.

They may have some successes but their unwillingness to adapt and fix problems is their undoing, as these things tend to propagate.

Wilder seems to be at all times completely willing to throw out his initial plan and go with an alternative that works better, which is a a huge strength.

He is stubborn in his own way of course, but more in terms of principles rather than methods.

 

[tomtheblade]

Far from it. Which is why I'm delighted to now have a manager who is a genuine bloke and cares deeply about this club.

Instead of some charlatan arsehole who played the "I'm a super duper mega Blade" card yet was willing to derail his "beloved" teams promotion bid because he wouldn't wait a few months for a contract.

If we give Chris Wilder the luxury of 7 years he'll take us much further.

Can agree with most of that. Just making the point that in my lifetime of supporting the Blades, up until now, that was easily the most exciting side i'd seen. Personally i find it hard to disregard the manager who created it, for all his flaws, granted, as you point out.

I also really hope we give our current manager that time and more too, and that he decides the best place to further his ambition is with us. The last comment was tongue in cheek btw