Are they trying to Re-Sell us?

[dexter101]

The big mistake is not employing football people to make decisions. Take with a pinch of salt but I'm told the issue isn't lack of money but total division in approach to transfers. T-Blade seemed to back this up yesterday. It seems like chaos because we're being led by a committee who can't agree on anything and have no figurehead who gets the final say. Don't be surprised to see some old names linked in the next few weeks as we go back to old targets just to get players over the line

Good bit of perspective on that, thank you.

 

[VictoryBlade]

No.

We just need a bit of Sellés tape round the back to shore things up!

Provided by Peter Selles

 

[Blade56]

Waiting for the “Merge Clubs” under one buyer thread

 

[brownblade]

Just had the thought. Minus the Selles pun (sorry).

Didnt get promoted, chucked 100m at buying us, + Jan signings, selling of high value assets.

Are they cutting their losses and attempting to sell us and cut their losses. Would potentially explain the lack on spending?

I suppose any vaguely possible theory is worth inventing then running with. The most important thing is that we all panic.

 

[Greystones Blade]

Just had the thought. Minus the Selles pun (sorry).

Didnt get promoted, chucked 100m at buying us, + Jan signings, selling of high value assets.

Are they cutting their losses and attempting to sell us and cut their losses. Would potentially explain the lack on spending?

If that was the case they wouldn’t have authorised bringing in Soumares.. they could have brought in an inferior player to keep costs down.

 

[Revolution]

The big mistake is not employing football people to make decisions. Take with a pinch of salt but I'm told the issue isn't lack of money but total division in approach to transfers. T-Blade seemed to back this up yesterday. It seems like chaos because we're being led by a committee who can't agree on anything and have no figurehead who gets the final say. Don't be surprised to see some old names linked in the next few weeks as we go back to old targets just to get players over the line

Ah, private equity people all thinking they know best at loggerheads. I’ve seen that before.

 

[Blademan89]

Having said what they did way back about improving every aspect of the club you’d think not

However, if true regards current issues with the consortium, they might not be in a position to invest and at some stage may need to move the club on. Who knows what their intentions are? They aren’t likely to pass on any intention to flog us, but then atm, neither are they passing on anything else

Signings and how much funds Selles has actually been given will possibly give fans a slightly clearer picture of what our club has acquired as owners?

Yeah that was when they first came in. A year nearly to date and what have they done to improve any part of the club or started on? - They have improved the car park.

They've ripped the spine & dismantled the team, they havnt even spoke or touched the supposed new training ground, the Lane hasn't had any improvements in any other aspect apart from a bit of tarmac, they've made our transfer process worse than it use to be somehow, they seem to not want to pay for quality or championship experienced players but rather cheap apprentices from depth of Europe (which they cocked up already with the ESC slots).

 

[dingledog]

It all boils down to the fact that they do not communicate with the fans (their customers) at all or in any format. This leaves a void for speculation, some mischief and outrageous ideas. I haven't got a clue what their intentions are, the only evidence I have is an apparent lack of a cohesive recruitment plan, or indeed a plan for the future. They have shared nothing.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

The flip was to a far east based operation / individual .

Thailand? Food company?

 

[GrayBlade]

The big mistake is not employing football people to make decisions. Take with a pinch of salt but I'm told the issue isn't lack of money but total division in approach to transfers. T-Blade seemed to back this up yesterday. It seems like chaos because we're being led by a committee who can't agree on anything and have no figurehead who gets the final say. Don't be surprised to see some old names linked in the next few weeks as we go back to old targets just to get players over the line

With the number of people involved, paralysis by analysis had crossed my mind.

 

[bladesince64]

I was thinking about our current situation (as you do)

What if all of the investors who purchased the club were promised a return on their investment which was based on the 2 possible scenarios of either a) PL status = cashback + bonus
b) Champ status = lower cashback

Hence having looked odds on favourites for scenario (a) we are now having to sell the prized assets and replace with loans and freebies in order to fulfill the financial obligations.

Would have been a very attractive initial investment opportunity to purchase a football club and with built-in financial guarantees it's a no brainer.

 

[steve26272]

We were top 2 heading for promotion with player assets and a manager that appeared to be on the crest of a wave

We have less player assets, a new manager and appear to be in a pot of about 8 contenders for promotion

We’re worth less now than when they bought us, no point selling now at a loss

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I personally think a couple of things went down here:

• We had interest from a buyer who could not fund a purchase.
• There was something really attractive about the club, so it seemed worthy of working hard to buy it.
• The buyers had to sell the idea to none football people, how would they do that?

Plan A)

This is a team that will almost certainly get promoted, it would be ridiculous not to. Invest a cool 10 Mill and make a fast buck (maybe a buy back when the club generates PL funds).


And that is where I think we genuinely sit at the moment – at a crossroads. The next couple of weeks will tell us if we go left or right.

or forwards or backwards?

 

[SufcBilly]

I was thinking about our current situation (as you do)

What if all of the investors who purchased the club were promised a return on their investment which was based on the 2 possible scenarios of either a) PL status = cashback + bonus
b) Champ status = lower cashback

Hence having looked odds on favourites for scenario (a) we are now having to sell the prized assets and replace with loans and freebies in order to fulfill the financial obligations.

Would have been a very attractive initial investment opportunity to purchase a football club and with built-in financial guarantees it's a no brainer.

We are selling players to either avoid losing them for free or as they wanted out

 

[tincan]

All clubs are for sale for the right return for the investors, indeed some investors might tolerate an underperformance for the right image - e.g our birthplace of football heritage.
Had we kicked off the new season in style and beaten a playoff semi finalist and a high profile upstart team in the cup, then Rosen and Helmys job of attracting further investors would be much easier. Instead the lack of investment has forced the sale of resources at a time when there can be no viable plan to replace them for a auto promotion seeking team. Indeed it's now given further encouragement to other teams to effect a little investment as we are no longer a threat, there is a vacancy at the Championship top table.
So in effect their own inaction is destroying their attractiveness as an investment group, at the cost of their own money and reputations. In the past we've been to the 4th division and come back - can they?

 

[utd4ever]

I think it pretty obvious we were bought under the high probability of us getting promoted.

If we had I think we would have been considerably backed.

As we didn’t it Wilder was shunted out. A new direction was taken and it seems they are working on making sure the club can run without having to chuck more money at it.

I reckon if we don’t go up this season we will probably be looking at 5 years of growing a team good enough to get promoted without spending big money.

 

[SufcBilly]

I think it pretty obvious we were bought under the high probability of us getting promoted.

If we had I think we would have been considerably backed.

As we didn’t it Wilder was shunted out. A new direction was taken and it seems they are working on making sure the club can run without having to chuck more money at it.

I reckon if we don’t go up this season we will probably be looking at 5 years of growing a team good enough to get promoted without spending big money.

I’ve no issue with that bottom paragraph personally. Organic, natural and sustainable growth

 

[Varkanoid]

No.

We just need a bit of Sellés tape round the back to shore things up!

 

[Sean Thornton]

So I was right Sean Thornton

You had another fall?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Absolute nonsense

Blade56

 

[Frank the tank]

Isn't it bad enough that they have let down ,the fans and the manager with glacial speed transfer dealings. ?

Why does the forum collective always have to go degrees further in their understanding of the situation ?

We all know how it works ,we've been here before
Being a club out of the premier league loses money year on year and losses have to be covered

They are obviously trying to work within the budget the club has at its disposal and aren't going to add to that so they are trying to be smart with little money

Every one wants them to gamble and spend but after last season's catastrophic capitulation whom could blame them for not going down that route when they know they are going to have time over losses with no parachutes next season if that happens again

 

[Black Cloud]

The big mistake is not employing football people to make decisions. Take with a pinch of salt but I'm told the issue isn't lack of money but total division in approach to transfers. T-Blade seemed to back this up yesterday. It seems like chaos because we're being led by a committee who can't agree on anything and have no figurehead who gets the final say. Don't be surprised to see some old names linked in the next few weeks as we go back to old targets just to get players over the line

CW is a football person and presided over a catalogue of expensive mistakes, is it any wonder they are nervous taking the next steps. It’s not a bad idea to clear the decks but there has to be adequate replacements incoming.
Chris gave us the best fan years of our lives but was utterly useless in the transfer market; that could eventually be his legacy…the last time we panicked in the market (beginning of last season) he signed McCallum and Shackleton ….football people eh

 

[Wireblade]

The big mistake is not employing football people to make decisions. Take with a pinch of salt but I'm told the issue isn't lack of money but total division in approach to transfers. T-Blade seemed to back this up yesterday. It seems like chaos because we're being led by a committee who can't agree on anything and have no figurehead who gets the final say. Don't be surprised to see some old names linked in the next few weeks as we go back to old targets just to get players over the line

It will be exactly this. Wilder did everything. They replaced him with a coach, as it isn’t healthy or modern for 1 man to do that much, but have they actually found someone to do what Wilder was doing? Who is providing the drive and direction?

 

[diode_blade]

Probably to Chancer.....
Itk pigeon

 

[Jinxy1966]

Waiting for the “Merge Clubs” under one buyer thread

Do you have a reliable source for this rumour cos you know the drill……

 

[reedy63]

It depends on what the owners do they want to get up to the Premier League and stay there. That will cost a few hundred million quid.
Or do they want to stay in the championship and sell the best player, and not replace them? This team at the moment is no way near good enough to finish in the playoff positions. They own the club and do what they want. In my opinion, why buy the club if you don't have the ambition to get into the Premier League and stay there.
The new owners are billionaires, and I like to think they can afford it and give it a good go. Two weeks until the transfer window slams shut. We shall see, won't we? Back the manager, I urge the owners to do that UP THE BLADES.

 

[Houston_Blade]

If you want to buy something and resell it I tend to find the best way is to make it worth less than what you paid for it. That’s obviously how rich people get rich.

Ffs

 

[Bullet73]

What I can never understand is when the princess was in charge why didn’t he bring in big investors from Saudi or sell us to a Saudi billionaire. It’s stated he talked one out of buying the pigs surely he could have spoken to him when he wanted to sell us instead of selling to this useless shower from America

 

[originaltrueblade]

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[mattbianco1]

Just had the thought. Minus the Selles pun (sorry).

Didnt get promoted, chucked 100m at buying us, + Jan signings, selling of high value assets.

Are they cutting their losses and attempting to sell us and cut their losses. Would potentially explain the lack on spending?

So you think they happily paid to terminate Wilder and his backroom staff even though they wanted to sell us ?