Anybody having a pop at Evans...

[Blade82]

Yes they would, but he's not. So it's hard to see your point? Ofcourse we would see his performance differently if he was 18.

Did you go today?

 

[McGrath]

I would implore everyone to listen to Chris Wilders interview before judging .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05g9q48

For the record I thought he got better second half and shows glimpses of what he might be like when 100% fit and not needing an operation

 

[Trafford]

The guy hasn't scored a goal and is never going to be a starter in the championship. Yes, there extenuating circumstances, but that isn't Sheffield United's problem. We need players that are good enough for this division, and he isn't. Nor will he ever be.

Interesting. I presume that you also think that Wilder is an idiot, because it was him who signed him and he says that he wasn't pressured into it? For the record, I don't think Ched is playing well at the moment but it's too early to say that he will never be good enough.

 

[Kezman17]

I thought with what he did today he did well, he needs a goal and soon because his confidence, what he's got, is going to go. The couple of crosses he put in in 2nd half had Billy sharps name all over it, shame none of others took a gamble to get in. He'll come good

 

[blader]

Interesting. I presume that you also think that Wilder is an idiot, because it was him who signed him and he says that he wasn't pressured into it? For the record, I don't think Ched is playing well at the moment but it's too early to say that he will never be good enough.

Well that's another story. Again, there is nothing about evans that is a Wilder signing. Wilder says he made the signing but the truth is, I don't believe it. He doesn't fit our style, he is crocked and certainly not 'on the up' as all his others have been. Why would he make such an out of character signing m, that just so happens to be Ched Evans. Suspicious.

Do I think wilder is an idiot? No. Do I think he's made a mistake in signing.Evans? Absolutely I do. There is little/no evidence that he has been, or will be, a good signing.

 

[SwissBlade]

That's why we debate

If he's scored 8 or more goals come May I'll eat humble pie, if even say if he's managed 7 goals I'd be impressed.

To go back to your point about taking a wage etc, frankly I believe that's a bollocks point. Sorry for the language but I think some things go beyond a wage. Delaying surgery because we have several players injured and sacrificing himself is, to me, much more about the character of the person and player than about a wage

There are certain characters in football that will sit out games with a niggle, Ched, isn't one of those.

So whilst his performances may not be up to scratch at the moment, he is putting himself on the line instead of taking the op now

 

[Baaaaaaa Blades]

he cleary isnt fit but well done for him today. yes he is wasn't great but i thought there were flashes , his hold up play seemed quite good at times i felt but clearly a huge lack of confidence infront of goal,

but the big thing i read when reading this article in the programme was he is always thinking of the pain when about to shoot etc , Evan's power in shots was always a big factor in his game and he clearly hasn't got the capacity to use this at present

fingers crossed he can have the op in around 3-4 weeks time when others are back and by Xmas we may see a far better Evans.
we may not but from what CW says about his attitude and hunger he is worth sticking with , like CW i believe he may well come good

also where the hell is Hanson !? what is his injury does anyone know ? he was in a photo in the programme so hasn't disappared completely !

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

To go back to your point about taking a wage etc, frankly I believe that's a bollocks point. Sorry for the language but I think some things go beyond a wage. Delaying surgery because we have several players injured and sacrificing himself is, to me, much more about the character of the person and player than about a wage

There are certain characters in football that will sit out games with a niggle, Ched, isn't one of those.

So whilst his performances may not be up to scratch at the moment, he is putting himself on the line instead of taking the op now

That is just a load of spin to get people to buy into the ched signing and get pressure off him. Plenty of footballers play with pain and delay surgerys, they don't write about it in the program.

I'm not doubting his work ethic or character, I'm simply saying he is no where near good enough for this league and won't ever be. He will never score 10 goals in a season in this league for the rest of his career.

Like any player that isn't good enough, you offload and get better players.

It will be interesting to see how he does this season. Ill happily admit if I'm wrong come may.

 

[Roygbiv]

I don't think he played badly today but I don't think at the moment he's up to the Championship. That said he was leading the line on his own today and that has never been his game. He put in some decent balls that a recognized striker might have got on the end of

 

[WeHateWednesday]

Jeeze....no wonder we have been in the shit for so long with some of the posters on here, so negative and this all feeds back to other fans and eventually to the players. If someone was telling you everyday that you are not up to this league, how long before you actually become, not up to this league. I can't remember how many times Ched was stood in the area today and I was screaming at people to knock the ball in to him instead of wanting another touch and most often, it never came. So given that he actually provided a couple of the best crosses in to the 18 yard box all game, it was probably because he was probably fed up waiting for one to be provided to him. Agree or disagree, get behind who ever is wearing the shirt.

 

[Fred Furniss's Flatulence]

spoke to him before the game in the Copthorne. He spoke at length about his ankle. He's playing for pride, necessity for the team and payback to the club. A very pleasant chat giving me no doubt he's 100% determined.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

He's not playing for free is he?? He's getting paid a decent wage, so he's hardly putting himself on the line. He's doing the job he's getting paid for. The article in the program is just to take some pressure off of him.

He isn't anywhere good enough for a top 6 team in the championship. He is finished at this level. He wasn't good enough in league 1 last season. I don't have anything against the effort he's putting in. He's just not good enough - just like Hussey, Bradford, Wallace, Long etc. all players we've offloaded.

We took a gamble on him but it's clearly not going to work.

We should get rid in January, get his wages off the books and use them for a better player. Nothing personal, just good business and squad reshaping to make us a better team.

Memories are short aren't they?

I've been watching many years and Evans at his best was as good a striker as any. But he's not fit. Do you deny him the opportunity to get fit again and see what he can do? I don't. He may not make it but give the lad a break.

 

[Liverpool blade]

Some fans need to lay off ched!!. He's only 50% fit and played through the pain barrier!!. He like the rest of the team left it all out there at the end of the game today!!. That's all I ask for!!. I M H O. In wilder we trust. Utb

 

[Pollingtonblade]

We should have signed a player that was fit instead maybe?

 

[super_pig]

Ni one is blaming him for the defeat, but fans are willing to point out that his lack of ability made a difference to the result.

His fanboys will make excuse after excuse for him. At the moment it's the op. Then when he's back they say 'he's still finding fitness'. Then when he isn't good after that, they'll say 'he needs a pre-season' and the cycle will continue for three years.

We took a gamble, it's not going o work. Stop making excuses on his behalf. No other player is afforded anything like the leeway that Evans gets and it's ridiculous.

The guy hasn't scored a goal and is never going to be a starter in the championship. Yes, there extenuating circumstances, but that isn't Sheffield United's problem. We need players that are good enough for this division, and he isn't. Nor will he ever be.

No one is saying it's Evans' fault that we lost today, but to still believe he's going to become a regular goal scorer at this level is delusional and,on the evidence so far, is nonsensical.

We tried, it hasn't worked. stop making excuses for him and just accept it.

while you have your crystal ball out, can you get me the lottery numbers for next week?

 

[ChemEngBlade]

Evans did as well as can be expected of him at his current fitness level. He wasn't at his best but did put in some great crosses to the edge of 6-yard box that were begging to be buried

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

Memories are short aren't they?

I've been watching many years and Evans at his best was as good a striker as any. But he's not fit. Do you deny him the opportunity to get fit again and see what he can do? I don't. He may not make it but give the lad a break.

Memory isn't short - I remember him way back in 2011-2012 before he went to prison for 2 years and didn't play any professional football. During that season he scored 30 goals on league 1. Since then he's been out of the game for 4 seasons, played a season last year in league 1 and scored less than 7 goals and got injured.

The season before 2011-2012 he failed to score double figures in the championship and got relegated.

The season before that (which is now 8 years ago) he failed to score double figures in the championship in a team that finished mid table.

That's just the facts.

I've watched him this season and he's been very poor. It's highly unlikely he will ever be good enough again to be a 10+ goals a season striker. Would I prefer us put those resources towards a better player with more long term potential - yes.

Good luck to him, I hope he gets fit and bangs in 8, 9, 10+ goals. I just can't see it happening.

 

[Revolution]

Should at least read this from today's program. I'm not saying everything will be fine after his op, but at least we know that he's doing it for the club right now and knows he's not 100%. For the record I though that he got better as the game wore on, pity he couldn't get on the end of his own crosses.


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I've seen that, and I said to myself that I was right: we signed a player with a long term injury who needs an operation. That fact seems to have been known to us when we signed him.

Why the hell did we sign him? Who was stupid enough to do this?

Have we learned nothing from when we sanctioned Clough signing crocks?

And yes, I know Paul Coutts has come good, but that was after 2 years of him playing poorly, getting injured, and refusing to give his best for fear of more injuries (that's something he's publicly admitted). I am baffled as to why we did this again. You sign players on 3 year deals expecting them to be contributing for 3 years, not because you hope they might be fit in the third year.

 

[Davalon]

Should at least read this from today's program. I'm not saying everything will be fine after his op, but at least we know that he's doing it for the club right now and knows he's not 100%. For the record I though that he got better as the game wore on, pity he couldn't get on the end of his own crosses.


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And yet I'm sure we had other strikers who were at least that fit being saved for next week.

 

[Davalon]

Some fans need to lay off ched!!. He's only 50% fit and played through the pain barrier!!. He like the rest of the team left it all out there at the end of the game today!!. That's all I ask for!!. I M H O. In wilder we trust. Utb

Maybe one or two of our other strikers should have done similar then because I'll guarantee they'll be fit next Sunday whilst Ched is still 50%.

 

[Bladesway]

Should at least read this from today's program. I'm not saying everything will be fine after his op, but at least we know that he's doing it for the club right now and knows he's not 100%. For the record I though that he got better as the game wore on, pity he couldn't get on the end of his own crosses.


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Just shows how much some fans actually know about players putting themselves on the line for the team. Also shows how much players will now run through brick walls for this club and manager.

I don't know whether Evans coming back is going to pay off but when you read this you have to admire the fact that the bloke isn't one of those wasters we had in previous years happy to steal a wage and stay on the treatment table.

 

[Rob86]

Well that's another story. Again, there is nothing about evans that is a Wilder signing. Wilder says he made the signing but the truth is, I don't believe it. He doesn't fit our style, he is crocked and certainly not 'on the up' as all his others have been. Why would he make such an out of character signing m, that just so happens to be Ched Evans. Suspicious.

Do I think wilder is an idiot? No. Do I think he's made a mistake in signing.Evans? Absolutely I do. There is little/no evidence that he has been, or will be, a good signing.

I agree the transfer was suspicious, mainly because of the reported 500K fee which was way higher than what he is worth and given the penny pinching on deadline day, just makes the fee even more puzzling. I don't however think he was bought without Wilder wanting him.

With regards him being on the up, are any of our strikers on the up ? All over 30 (except Evans). Lavery is a wide player, not a striker IMO, so I don't include him as one.

Evans is currently a gamble that isn't paying off and with the surgery he's unlikely to be match sharp until Feb if the Op works, so no good for the here and now. But it sounds like he'll be in again on Sunday so come Sunday tea time he might just have been awarded legend status !

 

[Cerberus Blade]

We should have signed a player that was fit instead maybe?

The more I read your posts the more I think you're not really a supporter but are here on the wind up. If that's true then fine, but just come out with it mate, no need to keep having a dig at the club for all kinds of reasons. If you are a supporter then God help us, and God help you, because you sound to me like you are permanently depressed and looking for negatives everywhere.

The reason why we signed Evans is pretty obvious isn't it? We know he has the potential to be a very good player, we've seen that before, but we also know that he's been out of the game for a long time and is carrying an injury. It's a gamble, everyone knows that. But we've taken a punt on him and if it comes off then great! and if it doesn't then, hey-ho! so what? Did you notice we've signed 9 other players as well btw? It's not like we signed Evans "instead" of someone else.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Memory isn't short - I remember him way back in 2011-2012 before he went to prison for 2 years and didn't play any professional football. During that season he scored 30 goals on league 1. Since then he's been out of the game for 4 seasons, played a season last year in league 1 and scored less than 7 goals and got injured.

The season before 2011-2012 he failed to score double figures in the championship and got relegated.

The season before that (which is now 8 years ago) he failed to score double figures in the championship in a team that finished mid table.

That's just the facts.

I've watched him this season and he's been very poor. It's highly unlikely he will ever be good enough again to be a 10+ goals a season striker. Would I prefer us put those resources towards a better player with more long term potential - yes.

Good luck to him, I hope he gets fit and bangs in 8, 9, 10+ goals. I just can't see it happening.

I remember that too. I remember thinking in his first 2 seasons at Bramall lane that he was a waste of money. But once he started playing in that team under Wilson he was absolutely outstanding. I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make here - it sounds like you're saying he's never been any good except for one season? If that's what you're saying then I totally disagree.

You cannot judge the guy on his current performance levels - he's nowhere near fit and frankly, shouldn't be near the first team. Whether he will ever get back to his best we don't know.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

As usual as per modern society, it seems impossible for some to get their heads around that everything isn't black or white - there are shades of grey. For me it's a valid point of view to think that Ched is a great bloke for playing through the pain barrier and helping the team, yet point out he is probably a little short at this level.

Again as our 5th choice striker that's not really a surprise, but as others have pointed out: if he was always going to be 5th choice, then why sign him?

I'd also say that it's ok to question some of Sir Tufty's decisions without thinking he's doing a bad job or wanting him sacked...

 

[I should coco]

His fanboys will make excuse after excuse for him. At the moment it's the op. Then when he's back they say 'he's still finding fitness'. Then when he isn't good after that, they'll say 'he needs a pre-season' and the cycle will continue for three years.

His 'fanboys' will tell you to wind your neck in. You are only chirping up because we lost and want to kick out at somebody.

If he still isn't fit by the end of the season, as a 'fanboy', I will accept it was a mistake and agree he should be moved on.

Again, there is nothing about evans that is a Wilder signing. Wilder says he made the signing but the truth is, I don't believe it. He doesn't fit our style, he is crocked and certainly not 'on the up' as all his others have been. Why would he make such an out of character signing m, that just so happens to be Ched Evans. Suspicious.

Ah the real agenda. On the basis of absolutely no proof whatsoever, you dig up this one again. How many times does CW have to say that we really did land on the Moon and that there was no sniper on the grassy knoll.

Plenty of footballers play with pain and delay surgerys, they don't write about it in the program.

Not many do it after spending 3 years inside and having a large chunk of the fanbase wanting them to fail though.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

The more I read your posts the more I think you're not really a supporter but are here on the wind up. If that's true then fine, but just come out with it mate, no need to keep having a dig at the club for all kinds of reasons. If you are a supporter then God help us, and God help you, because you sound to me like you are permanently depressed and looking for negatives everywhere.

The reason why we signed Evans is pretty obvious isn't it? We know he has the potential to be a very good player, we've seen that before, but we also know that he's been out of the game for a long time and is carrying an injury. It's a gamble, everyone knows that. But we've taken a punt on him and if it comes off then great! and if it doesn't then, hey-ho! so what? Did you notice we've signed 9 other players as well btw? It's not like we signed Evans "instead" of someone else.

We've admitted we signed an injured player I don't agree with this policy.

I thought we'd learned lessons on this score.

I was happy in the main with our business to be honest in particular not selling anyone.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

I don't think he played badly today but I don't think at the moment he's up to the Championship. That said he was leading the line on his own today and that has never been his game. He put in some decent balls that a recognized striker might have got on the end of

He did. But more than once he looked up, then banged them into spaces some distance from a red and white shirt. I think it's also fair to say that he was also in the vicinity of plenty decent balls, into the box, that Billy Sharp might well have stuck in the net.

 

[Bladesway]

The more I read your posts the more I think you're not really a supporter but are here on the wind up. If that's true then fine, but just come out with it mate, no need to keep having a dig at the club for all kinds of reasons. If you are a supporter then God help us, and God help you, because you sound to me like you are permanently depressed and looking for negatives everywhere.

The reason why we signed Evans is pretty obvious isn't it? We know he has the potential to be a very good player, we've seen that before, but we also know that he's been out of the game for a long time and is carrying an injury. It's a gamble, everyone knows that. But we've taken a punt on him and if it comes off then great! and if it doesn't then, hey-ho! so what? Did you notice we've signed 9 other players as well btw? It's not like we signed Evans "instead" of someone else.

He's a supporter and has been for many years. I've travelled with the bloke and he is as passionate about the club as anyone else. So why don't you stop throwing shit at him as to which team he supports?

 

[BigBed]

He should not have started then, would have been better playing Brooks and Samir up top as false number 9s a bit like the Wembley formation with Baxter and Scougall

So eather way we lose then, which just blows your argument out of the water.
Oh well, back to Wilder as manager.