Any chance of a new club website?!

[Ted Danson]

My point is that brand building and being aspirational actually got us into this shit hole in the first place. Chengdu, Ferencvaros, Perth Glory, some club in Brazil, one in Belgium all to build the brand. Fancy directors of this and that came and went costing us shitloads of cash but adding nothing to the product. Had we invested more in the right players we would probably have stayed up (long chat about whose fault that is blah blah), had we stayed up then brand positioning and revenues streams would have increased, but never would a kid in China wear a Blades shirt over a Man United or Chelsea one. We have a brand yes, but you have to be sensible about the market you are looking at. We weren't. Europe in 5 years etc etc etc. The product should be invested in first, the marketing and all that shite should be there to compliment a good product. If you are shit, you can tell the world how great you are via fancy communications but when what they see is shit, they will laugh and move along.

If you actually read my post rather than spitting bile back in my general direction I did say it could be better. For all the reasons you state above its just a template driven site similar to all the other template driven sites. It isn't consistent through all browsers, it does look like most other sites (because they all use the same company etc etc)

I think you possibly see yourself as the majority in this. I don't think most people give a shit what a Website is and how it is built, what methods of SEO they employ, whether its flash, html or template based they just want it to work for their own particular need.

spitting bile??

you seem to be having somekind of victim complex this summer, maybe you should leave the board untill the season starts back as all the threads seem to be beneath you.

As for the site it does seem to be the majority who think the site is shite and from a usablity point of view not from a technical view or have you missed the hundreds of posts already on this subject. Your the first person Ive ever read who defends it

Maybe if wed spent a bit getting out of the contract with FLI and produced a decent website (Companies shop window) then maybe would have attracted investment sooner but its all maybes.

 

[Selly]

No you couldn't.

Well I hope your right, I know how much a website costs but I dont know what Chris Porters on

Ok, so let me expand on what I meant.

You couldn`t build, run & maintain a website, that needs to do what the OS needs to do, for a single Chris Porter weekly wage.

I have no doubt you could build a website for less than a Chris Porter weekly wage, but I highly doubt it would do what it needs to.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Ok, so let me expand on what I meant.

You couldn`t build, run & maintain a website, that needs to do what the OS needs to do, for a single Chris Porter weekly wage.

I have no doubt you could build a website for less than a Chris Porter weekly wage, but I highly doubt it would do what it needs to.

I think Ted Danson is a designer so he wouldn't have monkeys about what's involved in actually building a website

 

[Bladesway]

spitting bile??

you seem to be having somekind of victim complex this summer, maybe you should leave the board untill the season starts back as all the threads seem to be beneath you.

As for the site it does seem to be the majority who think the site is shite and from a usablity point of view not from a technical view or have you missed the hundreds of posts already on this subject. Your the first person Ive ever read who defends it

Maybe if wed spent a bit getting out of the contract with FLI and produced a decent website (Companies shop window) then maybe would have attracted investment sooner but its all maybes.

Well apparently I'm a luddite that accepts any old shit no?

None of your above statement stacks up to me. The majority think the site is shite? What majority? Sorry but a few people on a messageboard doesn't consitiute a majority of anything. You don't even have the majority of members on here posting on it so you pulled that stat out your arse to suit. Next up, people like to moan about stuff, even if they aren't that bothered. Heres a thought. Go gather the troops, write to the club and offer your services for a couple of grand (or whatever a week of Porters wages may be). Tell them you will build a fab site because any old twat can apparently do this. Yes, you may have gotten a whiff of sarcasm but a statement like that deserves it.

My guess is at best they will invite you in for "feedback" and then send you on your way. Nothing will change because there are more important things to do like get out of League 1.

As for your final statement about attracting investment, if you think a fancy website buys interest over being in the Premiership or even the Championship then you may have just popped out of the womb yesterday. Your typing is impressive if you have.

You say I am the first person to defend it. I'm not defending it as anything other than average. If you have read my posts you can pick that out for free. What I am saying that seems to alude you is that its not that important.

 

[Ted Danson]

I think Ted Danson is a designer so he wouldn't have monkeys about what's involved in actually building a website

Ok, so let me expand on what I meant.

You couldn`t build, run & maintain a website, that needs to do what the OS needs to do, for a single Chris Porter weekly wage.

I have no doubt you could build a website for less than a Chris Porter weekly wage, but I highly doubt it would do what it needs to.

Well youd think wrong but what does the OS do that is so technical then?

It is updateable by one of the office bods, its usually out of date so it cant be that useable, the tickets part of the site is all seperate but even so you could easily incorporate an ecommerce engine in to it and give them a uniform design. Saying that that site would cost thousands to run is absolute nonsense.

Everything that the OS does could be done on Wordpress and most likely better than it is currently (not that Im saying the OS should be built on Wordpress)

To assume that the majority think its shite is a very plausable assumption baring in mind I dont know anyone who thinks its any use or any good and Ive only heard people moan about it.

And no they wouldnt invite me in for feedback as they have sold all their rights down the river and United couldnt comision anyone to build a new site untill they get out of the contract they have with FLI

 

[Selly]

Well youd think wrong but what does the OS do that is so technical then?

Its a website, the whole thing is technical...

It is updateable by one of the office bods, its usually out of date so it cant be that useable, the tickets part of the site is all seperate but even so you could easily incorporate an ecommerce engine in to it and give them a uniform design. Saying that that site would cost thousands to run is absolute nonsense.

OK so an office bod, lets say they spend half their time updating the site (because we want to do it properly), and they are paid minimum wage.

Thats an annual salary of £13,500 + Employers NI etc etc. But even so that £6,750 - and thts before you pay a company to actually build it. And build it in a way that it is updateable by a Minimum wage monkey.

Even if one wee of Chris port was £20k (and we all know/hope it isn`t) I think you'd be doing well to get change out of 2 months of Chris Porter for an initial build and a years maintenance and running costs (server space isn`t cheap - just ask Foxy)

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Its a website, the whole thing is technical...



Even if one wee of Chris port was £20k (and we all know/hope it isn`t) I think you'd be doing well to get change out of 2 months of Chris Porter for an initial build and a years maintenance and running costs (server space isn`t cheap - just ask Foxy)

160k? Are you sure about those figures? Bearing in mind they wouldn't be building the website from scratch, they'd be using a decent CMS (Not Wordpress) to build it. I'd say 30k for the initial build would be a more likely cost.

 

[Ted Danson]

160k? Are you sure about those figures? Bearing in mind they wouldn't be building the website from scratch, they'd be using a decent CMS (Not Wordpress) to build it. I'd say 30k for the initial build would be a more likely cost.

youd seriously charge £30K for an updateable website that has to handle 1 maybe 2 updates a day, I assume that would that include the Ecom engine to take over the ticket office site too?, admittedly the hosting would need to be decent and would cost but those figures seem very high to me, maybe I just dont charge enough.

Also getting someone on with the sole purpose of updating the website is ridiculous they have office bods in there already, Im sure one of the ticket office staff would welcome 15 mins of different work. FFS its just writing some text in a box and adding a picture.

Wheres the 160K figure come from too, if thats what SellyOak charges for websites then give me a PM and you can outsource me some work, Ill make you an absolute mint mate, Ill do it for half what your charging and do it all so you wouldnt even need to lift a finger just watch the cash come in

 

[Highbury_Blade]

youd seriously charge £30K for an updateable website that has to handle 1 maybe 2 updates a day, I assume that would that include the Ecom engine to take over the ticket office site too?, admittedly the hosting would need to be decent and would cost but those figures seem very high to me, maybe I just dont charge enough.

Also getting someone on with the sole purpose of updating the website is ridiculous they have office bods in there already, Im sure one of the ticket office staff would welcome 15 mins of different work. FFS its just writing some text in a box and adding a picture.

Wheres the 160K figure come from too, if thats what SellyOak charges for websites then give me a PM and you can outsource me some work, Ill make you an absolute mint mate, Ill do it for half what your charging and do it all so you wouldnt even need to lift a finger just watch the cash come in

That's what my mate's agency charges for a couple of weeks work for a standard CMS based site. 1 Pm and two/three developers. You could of course give it to a one man shop, but what happens if the geezer keels over and dies?

 

[Kenilworth]

Even if one wee of Chris port was £20k (and we all know/hope it isn`t) - just ask Foxy)

Too good a typo to miss this one Sellers - £20k for a Wee - ARE YOU TAKING THE PISS?

... and why would Foxy know the price of Lancashire urine?

 

[Kenilworth]

You could of course give it to a one man shop, but what happens if the geezer keels over and dies?

Is that an endemic amongst freelance developers or is that a conspiracy whereby the big boys get a contract out on them?
Seems a little extreme either way.


Anyway, FWIW - I don't like the official site - it's awkward, takes an age to load, and is a pain to navigate.
Proof of the pudding is in the usage - I only go there to check on tickets stuff - if I have to - otherwise I steer well clear.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Is that an endemic amongst freelance developers or is that a conspiracy whereby the big boys get a contract out on them?
Seems a little extreme either way.

It's called risk management. I wouldn't expect SUFC to be au fait with the finer points of managing wesbites properly so maybe they would be prepared to give it to a one man shop.

 

[Selly]

160k? Are you sure about those figures? Bearing in mind they wouldn't be building the website from scratch, they'd be using a decent CMS (Not Wordpress) to build it. I'd say 30k for the initial build would be a more likely cost.

In all honesty I don't know, as I don't know what they want to do with the website, or how idiot proof they want to make it. My background is in systems for banks, who tend to be a little more concerned with resilience.

Does it need to be 24/7 (no IMO)? If not how quickly doors it need to be back up and running? How much traffics are we expecting? What does the website need to do? Tickets? Club shop? News? Fixtures? Match reports? Tables? Historic? Player profiles?

The 160k figure was one I pulled out of the air. But I'll bet you could spend that if you wanted to (for a lot of functionality). Do we need to though...

 

[Selly]

It's called risk management. I wouldn't expect SUFC to be au fait with the finer points of managing wesbites properly so maybe they would be prepared to give it to a one man shop.

Which is fine until the site goes tits up the weekend Wembley tickets go on sale...

 

[Foxy]

Which is fine until the site goes tits up the weekend Wembley tickets go on sale...

Plenty of "one man bands" are capable of correctly spec'ing, disaster management and modern content delivery

Failing that, they at least stand at the top of the Eiffel tower fixing things by hand on a shaky 3g connection

 

[Highbury_Blade]

In all honesty I don't know, as I don't know what they want to do with the website, or how idiot proof they want to make it. My background is in systems for banks, who tend to be a little more concerned with resilience.

Does it need to be 24/7 (no IMO)? If not how quickly doors it need to be back up and running? How much traffics are we expecting? What does the website need to do? Tickets? Club shop? News? Fixtures? Match reports? Tables? Historic? Player profiles?

The 160k figure was one I pulled out of the air. But I'll bet you could spend that if you wanted to (for a lot of functionality). Do we need to though...

One Azure instance set to auto scale would take care of traffic management, a couple of clicks and you set backup polices, all for less than £100 a month.

You could spend £160k if you wanted to build it using an entirely custom CMS but why the fuck would you do that?

 

[Selly]

One Azure instance set to auto scale would take care of traffic management, a couple of clicks and you set backup polices, all for less than £100 a month.

You could spend £160k if you wanted to build it using an entirely custom CMS but why the fuck would you do that?

Rouge Traders???