Gone Elsewhere Antonee Robinson

[S15Blade]

All those saying it is madness for Fulham are a bit short sighted because they are only paying 1.9 million and even if they go down they would be able to sell him for a huge profit he has a lot of potential.

Will they, what if he plays 10 games this season... which team next summer will pay this "huge" fee and 50k a week?

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

We could have matched the fee but we are never going to suddenly promote a teenager to the top of our wage bill and risk pissing off the rest of the squad and damaging the team spirit which is a major part of why we are one of the best 10 sides in the country. If you can't see the common sense behind that I politely suggest you are at least 1 scotch egg short of a picnic.

Well it is a fact they are gonna be pissed off at some point because if we are to move forward we have to invest in better quality.

And long-term Robinson will be far better than Stevens I.M.O

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

Will they, what if he plays 10 games this season... which team next summer will pay this "huge" fee and 50k a week?

Well there will be plenty of suitors he is a quality young player.

 

[Barney Rubble]

If you pay an average of £50,000 a week then you've spunked £65 million a year on the first team squad wages alone before you factor in other costs (management wages, running costs of academy and ground etc.). Not too much left over for the transfer kitty if you're trying to break even.

 

[raul]

Hearts can be a funny thing.

They're certainly making me laugh....

 

[Roygbiv]

Surely nobody genuinely thinks it would be a good idea to match Fulham for this guy. Make an unproven player in a position we are relatively strong in our highest paid player by about double? I could see the logic if it was someone who was obviously going to make a huge difference to our side but wanting to make what is essentially a good prospect our highest earner and giving the likes of Egan, JOC and Fleck the opportunity to rightly demand a huge wage rise? All for a player who almost certainly wouldn't be our first choice? Bonky madness I tell you.

 

[SufcBilly]

A question someone abit more clued up than myself could answer, are bonuses including in the wage bill? So like goal bonus, clean sheet bonus etc but also the bonuses our players got for promotion and presumably staying up, are they included in the overall "Wage Bill"? So everyone getting a promotion bonus and Staying up bonus will artificially increase the total figure right?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

He might be costing fulham an extra 10/20k a week in wages but he’s going for what 5 million less than he was in January.

If we actually wanted him and wasn’t just in cause we could get him at a bargain then we should be paying 40/50k as we’re savings millions on the fee

We are a premier league club we need to start acting like one otherwise we’ll be a championship club again

 

[Brian Deane]

Hearts can be a funny thing.

Thought he was going to Fulham Will do well in the SPL

 

[S15Blade]

He might be costing fulham an extra 10/20k a week in wages but he’s going for what 5 million less than he was in January.

If we actually wanted him and wasn’t just in cause we could get him at a bargain then we should be paying 40/50k as we’re savings millions on the fee

We are a premier league club we need to start acting like one otherwise we’ll be a championship club again

Yes, Fulham are the trend we should all follow.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Surely nobody genuinely thinks it would be a good idea to match Fulham for this guy. Make an unproven player in a position we are relatively strong in our highest paid player by about double? I could see the logic if it was someone who was obviously going to make a huge difference to our side but wanting to make what is essentially a good prospect our highest earner and giving the likes of Egan, JOC and Fleck the opportunity to rightly demand a huge wage rise? All for a player who almost certainly wouldn't be our first choice? Bonky madness I tell you.

Not sure if you’ve read the entire thread but that’s exactly what quite a few of the posters are suggesting.
You can’t improve without spunking money all over and paying over the odds.
Its like they’ve completely missed the last few years where we’ve done exactly that and built up our transfer and wage budget sensibly.

 

[Jan Age]

He might be costing fulham an extra 10/20k a week in wages but he’s going for what 5 million less than he was in January.

If we actually wanted him and wasn’t just in cause we could get him at a bargain then we should be paying 40/50k as we’re savings millions on the fee

We are a premier league club we need to start acting like one otherwise we’ll be a championship club again

we are in a period of evolution .... to bring an untested player in to act as competition and pay 50k pw And easily our highest earner whilst the likes of Egan, Stevens and Baldock are getting 50% of that would cause unease around the whole playing squad.

 

[YES Blade]

So what even is your argument then?

That it's not necessarily a bad thing for Fulham to pay him £50k a week. If they rate him and he fits into their wage structure, where is the problem?

 

[siblade]

Surely nobody genuinely thinks it would be a good idea to match Fulham for this guy. Make an unproven player in a position we are relatively strong in our highest paid player by about double? I could see the logic if it was someone who was obviously going to make a huge difference to our side but wanting to make what is essentially a good prospect our highest earner and giving the likes of Egan, JOC and Fleck the opportunity to rightly demand a huge wage rise? All for a player who almost certainly wouldn't be our first choice? Bonky madness I tell you.

Reading some comments on here obviously people do think it would be a good idea. Words fail me tbh, just don't think they realise where we are currently as a club. Watch Sunderland till I die if you want to see what happens, or see Portsmouth etc.

 

[Reedy1889]

Would make total sense wouldn't it to pay a player who in all likelihood be an understoody this season more than our current left wing back?? It doesn't but Fulham seem to think it makes sense.

Good luck to him, got himself a cracking wage at Fulham.

 

[Roygbiv]

He might be costing fulham an extra 10/20k a week in wages but he’s going for what 5 million less than he was in January.

If we actually wanted him and wasn’t just in cause we could get him at a bargain then we should be paying 40/50k as we’re savings millions on the fee

We are a premier league club we need to start acting like one otherwise we’ll be a championship club again

You think we should make an unproven player who would likely be back up our highest earner by almost double?

 

[SufcBilly]

Speaking of left backs, did anyone know RND was born in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia? (Off topic)

 

[LoughboroBlade]

It’s pretty simple. If you enjoy how we’ve gone about our business, the not spunkin moneh approach where we’re careful about not overpaying for who we buy, and about keeping our staff costs within an agreed budget, all while watching CWAK work their magic on the players they bring in, this is the team for you to watch. Other approaches are available elsewhere. But being sensible about the financial side of things, something Wilder seems to take some pride in, is fairly intertwined with the playing side of things at our club. I think it’s something to be embraced rather than called into question every time a player chooses someone else to join.

 

[Nah den]

Totally agree that we shouldn't be paying this lad that sort of money, for the number of reasons already discussed. However, something is going to have to give.

I think everyone agrees we need more quality if we are to progress, certainly in some areas. If the targets we identify are indeed in the bracket of 'better than we have' then they will almost certainly be desirable to other clubs. Any agent doing their job properly will tout them around for the best deal, which in most cases will be from a financial point of view. I think the idea that footballers with no pre affinity to us would pick us over X if X is paying double is naive.

All this being the case, where does that leave us if we don't start competing on wages? In a struggle trying to sign those better players I reckon. Obviously needs to be for the right players, not a reserve left back.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

All footballers are different. Some will care about the wages of teammates, others won't.

Missing out on a player that has real potential and could be worth a hell of a lot of money in the future hence why AC Milan wanted to sign him.

Well they have got a player that was going to cost AC Milan 10m for 1.9m I doubt a cash rich Fulham are going to worry about that and the revenue they get for being in the premier league as well means that players on 50k a week is about average even Burnley have playere on 50k a week.

Only cost 1.9m and even if they get relegated they will sell him for a massive profit.

We have shot ourselves in the foot the wage structure needs sorting out if we are to compete.

Can someone come back to me and explain why Milan were conspicuous by their absence in this transfer? Agreed to pay £10m, but medical issues stop the transfer. Months later the same player is available for less than £2m and not murmur from them. OK they might have moved on, bought another player, but at that price you'd think a club the size of Milan would do the deal and loaning him out at least.

We would be shooting ourselves in the foot, leg, bollocks and possibly head by starting to pay squad players £50k a week.

All agents care about what other players are paid, because all agents are looking for leverage to get a better deal for their player, whether an improved contract or a move to another club.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Whilst I agree that smashing our wage structure for a reserve player would be ridiculous, could we not have offered this guy a few million signing bonus in view of his transfer fee being so low?

Having said that it seems to me a bit like the Maupay situation last year, where I got the feeling early on that he wasn't that interested in coming here and was using us to try to get a "better" offer from somewhere else. Hopefully, we won't have Fulham fans coming in here every time he makes a tackle.

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

He might be costing fulham an extra 10/20k a week in wages but he’s going for what 5 million less than he was in January.

If we actually wanted him and wasn’t just in cause we could get him at a bargain then we should be paying 40/50k as we’re savings millions on the fee

We are a premier league club we need to start acting like one otherwise we’ll be a championship club again

8.1 million AC Milan for 10m he was going for.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Can someone come back to me and explain why Milan were conspicuous by their absence in this transfer? Agreed to pay £10m, but medical issues stop the transfer. Months later the same player is available for less than £2m and not murmur from them. OK they might have moved on, bought another player, but at that price you'd think a club the size of Milan would do the deal and loaning him out at least.

We would be shooting ourselves in the foot, leg, bollocks and possibly head by starting to pay squad players £50k a week.

All agents care about what other players are paid, because all agents are looking for leverage to get a better deal for their player, whether an improved contract or a move to another club.

If I recall, I think that Milan detected a heart problem with the player so chose to withdraw their offer.

 

[Chabuddy G]

That it's not necessarily a bad thing for Fulham to pay him £50k a week. If they rate him and he fits into their wage structure, where is the problem?

None at all, for them. If they can afford it which they can. They don't have a 'wage structure' so to speak, they just pay whatever it takes. Not really sustainable but hey ho.
For us though - a huge problem.

 

[OrderOfStGeorge]

It’s pretty simple. If you enjoy how we’ve gone about our business, the not spunkin moneh approach where we’re careful about not overpaying for who we buy, and about keeping our staff costs within an agreed budget, all while watching CWAK work their magic on the players they bring in, this is the team for you to watch. Other approaches are available elsewhere. But being sensible about the financial side of things, something Wilder seems to take some pride in, is fairly intertwined with the playing side of things at our club. I think it’s something to be embraced rather than called into question every time a player chooses someone else to join.

Well if Chris Wilder is ambitious as he says he is then he has a few decisions to make because the premier league is a whole different ball game to the championship and if we want to keep building and progressing then there has to be a change somewhere.

Because we are not going to attract better quality paying peanuts in wages.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

If I recall, I think that Milan detected a heart problem with the player so chose to withdraw their offer.

It was, so if the heart issue is now rectified, or been found to be inconsequential, surely Milan would be back in at those prices? They have a DOF that knows a little bit about left sided defenders.

 

[SufcBilly]

It was, so if the heart issue is now rectified, or been found to be inconsequential, surely Milan would be back in at those prices? They have a DOF that knows a little bit about left sided defenders.

I believe there was some upheavel going on, about a new manager and a new DOF coming in but hasnt happened so maybe they are all about confused and at loggerheads

 

[Rob86]

I agree in that that's certainly how things work in the 'real world'. Personally I think the real world and the football world is not the best comparison, because the difference in wages for ordinary folk means a lot more.

The kind of wages we are talking here for footballers, they are all rich as fuck regardless. Maybe that causes the same mindset from a normal workplace to simply scale up (sad state of affairs if true), or maybe that makes some of them not care as much about the specific figures involved.

I kNow what you’re saying, if your getting £25k a week and are happily employed, would £50k a week make that much difference to your life.

I’d be thinking which club will be the best fit. All about ambishun.

Do you take the breadline wage of £25k a week, back yourself to be a first team player within a season (if not next) and play 50 odd Premier League games, then demand the bigger bucks or go for the more comfortable living wage of £50k a week, potentially not play and get shifted on in 3 years time for a quarter of it.

 

[blackydog]

Well if Chris Wilder is ambitious as he says he is then he has a few decisions to make because the premier league is a whole different ball game to the championship and if we want to keep building and progressing then there has to be a change somewhere.

Because we are not going to attract netter quality paying peanuts in wages.

I get what you're saying but it's not exactly peanuts, is it?

 

[LondonBlade89]

Totally agree that we shouldn't be paying this lad that sort of money, for the number of reasons already discussed. However, something is going to have to give.

I think everyone agrees we need more quality if we are to progress, certainly in some areas. If the targets we identify are indeed in the bracket of 'better than we have' then they will almost certainly be desirable to other clubs. Any agent doing their job properly will tout them around for the best deal, which in most cases will be from a financial point of view. I think the idea that footballers with no pre affinity to us would pick us over X if X is paying double is naive.

All this being the case, where does that leave us if we don't start competing on wages? In a struggle trying to sign those better players I reckon. Obviously needs to be for the right players, not a reserve left back.

I agree with you, but do you not think that’s what Wilder is doing?