Anthony Martial.

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Carlton Blade said:
If Brooks was as good as Martial I'm guessing he's still be at City. Martial is physically light years ahead. Not even in the same stratosphere.

I remember Man Utd fans saying Anderson was better than Fabregas after one game. I'm full of hope for Brooks but id say it's 50/50 he even plays 50 prem games in his career, just too early
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You think he'll go straight to La Liga?
 



Sort of highlights one of the central problems for any new, longer-term contract for Brooksy - how to determine what the release clause ought to be set at?
 
If he carries on in this vein do we think he'll sign another contract with us? I know nothing about him and his ambitions but he's used England/Wales FAs to further himself already. That probably sounds harsh!
 
Grappler said:
Totally agree Dronnie, no need to add more pressure on the lad, give him two or three more games at least! :D
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My motivation is more to put pressure on our board than on the lad. I hope they hold their nerve and give us a chance to reap a small fortune for hiThere"s immense pressure on the lad already anyway.
 
Maybe I've had one too many coffees but I agree with the sentiment.

Now we're in the upper echelons of the Championship, maybe now we can start putting a premium on our youngsters.

We've just comfortably beaten two 'top' championship teams who will be challenging come the end of the season, with Brooks causing all manner of problems and O'Connell looking rock fookin solid....

Let's turn into Daniel Levy and start sticking ridiculous values on our best young talent.
 
LSF said:
Have you gone off Louis Reed now? :)
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Not at all, still the best 17 year old I've seen play in the first team. Plays well in partnership with Brooks as they played all last season.

Brooks has shown me certain skills I have never seen before from any young lad playing his debut and first three games.

Outstanding. Just making a simple comparison with Calvert-Lewin is startling to me and I always saw potential in Dominic and stuck up for him on here a few times. Different types of player but Brooks' skills are amazing.
 
I know you were just trying to put a price on Brooks the comparison with Martial being just a bit extreme however given Brooks is a top Championship player and being admired by all, the transfer fees for a player of that standing seems to be around £10 million.
 
Woodwardfan said:
I have to say I am still bouncing from Sunday and again Wednesday. My cup runneth over alright:D:D i keep wondering if I'm dreaming; it is really happening isn't it!!:);)
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Fair enough. I thought us Blades don't bounce though? :D
 
Woodwardfan said:
Martial was 19 years old when he signed for The Mancs for £38m which could rise to £56m. At the time he had played under 40 first team games.

Was Martial as good as Brooks when he moved to Manchester? He has not really shown it since his move. By the end of this season Brooks, who has just turned 20, might well have 40 games under his belt albeit not in as high a league.

Leon Clarke says today that Brooks has "the world at his feet" and clearly United have a major asset. On the club website there is confirmation the lad signed a new and improved contract in March 2017. I hope it was for a minimum of 3 years and he likely warrants a new one already.

Hype indeed but the lad looks as though he can cope with it; he'll certainly need to because he is a sensation right now -Welsh International squad and Coleman will play him at some stage- MOM at the club game of his life and our lives!! -Player of the Tournament in Toulouse.

And Martial? Well he gets the odd game off the bench!!
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Are you coming at this with what you think Brooksy should be worth when he eventually gets transferred?

If so then Martial had been at Lyon, then Monaco so was probably on a fair wage before going to Man U. Not sure what length of contract he had at Monaco either, but considering the amount of money they make on players, it must have been a decent one to command such a high transfer fee.

If United want to make lots on an eventual transfer, we need to put him on (and him to agree) to a 5 year contract at a decent wage too - otherwise him and his agent are just going to run down whatever contract he is on now.

Spurs paid £5m for Dele Ali - Everton paid £8m (plus extras)for Lookman (from Charlton). Since then the Prem have had a massive increase in revenue from TV, so what value is Brooks?

Are United brave enough to commit to a long contract + wages? or daft enough to just leave it?

If we have any ambition then he needs a contract that reflects his value to us NOW as a player and also the chance of a massive transfer fee WHEN the inevitable comes. We can speculate all we want as to what he is worth - no one really knows until we get to that place in time.

We could always get promotion this season which would put things off for a while ;)

UTB
 
I dislike this kind of over-inflated hype for the reason that in order to balance it out, and balance it out we should, we are forced to start criticising the young lad and pointing out his flaws.

It forces those with a more measured take to be what would normally feel unnecessarily mean.

Nothing wrong with criticism mind, it's a healthy and necessary thing for a player to grow. It's just that as a fan, my job is not to aid a players development- that's for the club staff to do- it's to encourage them and get behind them. And for a really young player, that's really all I want to do.

Brooks is good, but he's not Antony Martial good. Maybe he'll get to that level in the future. For now let's keep our heads on our shoulders- and don't forget that Brooks has developed in the way he has because he has done exactly that.
 
tomtheblade said:
I dislike this kind of over-inflated hype for the reason that in order to balance it out, and balance it out we should, we are forced to start criticising the young lad and pointing out his flaws.

It forces those with a more measured take to be what would normally feel unnecessarily mean.

Nothing wrong with criticism mind, it's a healthy and necessary thing for a player to grow. It's just that as a fan, my job is not to aid a players development- that's for the club staff to do- it's to encourage them and get behind them. And for a really young player, that's really all I want to do.

Brooks is good, but he's not Antony Martial good. Maybe he'll get to that level in the future. For now let's keep our heads on our shoulders- and don't forget that Brooks has developed in the way he has because he has done exactly that.
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He's three stone wet through.

He can't grow a Freeman Beard.

BROOKS OUT!
 



People seem to be in the habit of thinking our youngsters can't possibly be "that" good. Brooks hasn't really done anything he wasn't doing in the youth teams. The opposition is different, that's all.Some people who saw him regularly, such as myself, wondered whether a loan spell may have been beneficial - they didn't doubt the God given talent. The same with DCL, Ramsdale, Maguire etc.We've been unlucky with serious injuries to other serious talents too.This analysis isn't hindsight, it was stated by me and others at the time.
Footballers - and athletes in general - develop at different rates: age is not a sure fire way of estimating the maximum potential.If somebody would've said Lowton would be a premier league player they'd have been laughed out of town a year before his first team debut. Roger Federer won his first grand slam at the relatively old age of 23.
Any transfer fee for Brooks should be well in advance of the Lookman fee. If he continues on this path they'll look chalk and cheese by the summer. Hopefully we won't come to that for a few years (when we're ensconced in the top tier, and a top European club comes knocking).
 
This thread just shows why we can't have nice things :(
 
I think what doesn't help in this situation is that we've had a fair few young players in recent times, who've shown themselves to be exceptional and gone on to sign for Prem clubs.

Problem is they've nearly all been defenders- Walker, Naughton, Maguire, Lowton, Ramsdale.

The one exception - DCL (GLTTL), is the only one people were scratching their heads about, as he couldn't even get in our first team.

So we're not used to attacking prospects of this level emerging.
 
8lade said:
I know you were just trying to put a price on Brooks the comparison with Martial being just a bit extreme however given Brooks is a top Championship player and being admired by all, the transfer fees for a player of that standing seems to be around £10 million.
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The o.p. is intended to state a case for a big fat fee by the end of this season and not before. Relating to the Martial amazing deal was a little tongue - in- cheek but illustrated a point, well intended to anyway!

Sell him now get £6/8m. Sell him after 40 games maybe £20m plus IF he maintains his form and progresses his game. I think he has goals in him for sure. Get promoted and maybe much more either next summer or later.

Brooks is a striker/no.10. Forward players sell for more than full backs. The lad has the quality to transform our club whether he stays or leaves. £6m will not transform (or transition!!) our club thats for sure.

Don't sell him cheap. Pay him well, make him a key player this season, make him into a star and take it from there.
 
Fulwood Blade said:
Are you coming at this with what you think Brooksy should be worth when he eventually gets transferred?

If so then Martial had been at Lyon, then Monaco so was probably on a fair wage before going to Man U. Not sure what length of contract he had at Monaco either, but considering the amount of money they make on players, it must have been a decent one to command such a high transfer fee.

If United want to make lots on an eventual transfer, we need to put him on (and him to agree) to a 5 year contract at a decent wage too - otherwise him and his agent are just going to run down whatever contract he is on now.

Spurs paid £5m for Dele Ali - Everton paid £8m (plus extras)for Lookman (from Charlton). Since then the Prem have had a massive increase in revenue from TV, so what value is Brooks?

Are United brave enough to commit to a long contract + wages? or daft enough to just leave it?

If we have any ambition then he needs a contract that reflects his value to us NOW as a player and also the chance of a massive transfer fee WHEN the inevitable comes. We can speculate all we want as to what he is worth - no one really knows until we get to that place in time.

We could always get promotion this season which would put things off for a while ;)

UTB
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Yes and we may just be at the point in our club history where we can capitalise on our assets.

Value has to be at least after 40 games like Martial. Calvert-Lewin went too early but as a club we needed the cash for re-investment from a player who was not going to contribute anyway.

Wilder's miracle has altered the 'ball game' and we have more cards in our hand now, not a 'full house' by any means but the cash to stay in the game much longer.
 
He's not even good, everyone knows that any player can look good under Wilder.

There's a formula for it, I remember doing it in year 7.

Wilder + Knill = Ability x 2.25

One of those things you never think you'd use in real life.
 
Brooks needs us as much as we need him, he needs the stability and games he will get with us.
I am 100 per cent certain we have zero plans to sell him . He is integral to our immediate future.
Like all prospects he can go either way , become a Kyle Walker or a Jordan Slew.
I have to say his attitude is fabulous and he exudes confidence and appears to have all the tools , in him.
I think he could be if handled gently all we hope he can be .

but we have to support him in his development by not saddling him with too much over expectation
 
SteveBlade said:
He's not even good, everyone knows that any player can look good under Wilder.

There's a formula for it, I remember doing it in year 7.

Wilder + Knill = Ability x 2.25

One of those things you never think you'd use in real life.
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Bit like Martial then:)
 
blade too long said:
Brooks needs us as much as we need him, he needs the stability and games he will get with us.
I am 100 per cent certain we have zero plans to sell him . He is integral to our immediate future.
Like all prospects he can go either way , become a Kyle Walker or a Jordan Slew.
I have to say his attitude is fabulous and he exudes confidence and appears to have all the tools , in him.
I think he could be if handled gently all we hope he can be .

but we have to support him in his development by not saddling him with too much over expectation
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I like your post Btlong but fact is there may be 16 or 17 of the 20 Prem clubs who have enough cash from this season's money to 'risk' a load'a money, say £6m on players like Brooks. If it comes up trumps fabulous if they waste £6 or £8 m so what?!

What we want is at least double that probably much more.

Even if we run away with the Championship this season Brooks will leave if he can maintain this amazing level of performance.

Just a reality check. 3 months ago Chesterfield had signed the documents for a season long loan and we withdrew later than was fully honourable frankly. Is the lad as good as we have seen these past few games? :eek:

That's where the Slew comparison is made. Who would be a football club owner? The prince is in charge now, no McCabes on the Board. Nobody knows what the prince will do. Does he understand the situation? Does he know football? Who are his current advisors, it's not Jim, do the current ones know what's what? Jim didn't.
 
we dont need to sell him , is the big difference now and keeping him makes financiall sense as if we sold him say for 12 m but then if we go up wed have to buy a replacement so we arent making a penny, we need him till may as the first hurdle

if we do go up hes on a 3 year contract now and we dont have to let him go
He might only leave if he gets a devious agent, we need to watch that

just now hes still a big gamble for a prem team to spend 10 plus which we should make a minimum
lets not forget hes yet to score a league goal
 
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