Another reason why I dislike Weir.

[georgebernardshaw]

You always knew when John Harris was pissed off because he hitched the belt of his raincoat another notch

 

[BladeFisher]

It's not controversial; it's nonsense. But today's LOBA (Load Of Bollocks Award) goes to BladeFisher for the risible suggestion that Warnock compares well with Paisley!

Who will be next for the coveted LOBA?

I am disappointed that you can't understand the use of words like 'comparison'. Indeed I am not sure you can even read as I quite clearly stated that as managers I was not saying that Warnock and Paisley were comparable but that at their respective clubs their achievements were. Beck of Cambridge Utd fame is up their with Paisley as is Bassett at Wimbledon. It is all about comparison.

I don't doubt for one minute that neither Bassett, Beck or Warnock would have attained the heights Paisley did at Liverpool had they been the Liverpool manager at the time. There again would Paisley had achieved for Cambridge, Sheffield United and Wimbledon what Beck, Warnock and Bassett did?

Today's prized Penis Award (PPA) goes to Pinchy. a) for being unbelievably dim in comparison to his aptitude and b) for failing to read the post correctly.

All for sensible even heated debate but I would expect a poster to read a post properly before posting a reply that does nothing but highlight their ignorance.

A couple of sentiments for you.

• "It's not about the long ball or the short ball, it's about the right ball."
• "If you're in the penalty area and don't know what to do with the ball, put it in the net and we'll discuss the options later."

At the moment the team can't seem to do either.

 

[Darren]

I am disappointed that you can't understand the use of words like 'comparison'. Indeed I am not sure you can even read as I quite clearly stated that as managers I was not saying that Warnock and Paisley were comparable but that at their respective clubs their achievements were. Beck of Cambridge Utd fame is up their with Paisley as is Bassett at Wimbledon. It is all about comparison.

I don't doubt for one minute that neither Bassett, Beck or Warnock would have attained the heights Paisley did at Liverpool had they been the Liverpool manager at the time. There again would Paisley had achieved for Cambridge, Sheffield United and Wimbledon what Beck, Warnock and Bassett did?

Today's prized Penis Award (PPA) goes to Pinchy. a) for being unbelievably dim in comparison to his aptitude and b) for failing to read the post correctly.

All for sensible even heated debate but I would expect a poster to read a post properly before posting a reply that does nothing but highlight their ignorance.

A couple of sentiments for you.

• "It's not about the long ball or the short ball, it's about the right ball."
• "If you're in the penalty area and don't know what to do with the ball, put it in the net and we'll discuss the options later."

At the moment the team can't seem to do either.

I think Pinchy has a sliver of a point in that if Beck. Warnock and Basset were as good managers as Paisley, they would be managing Liverpool, Man Utd or Chelsea rather than Cambridge and Sheffield United.

However his general point re hoof etc etc is, of course, the most risible bollocks imaginable.

 

[Kev Gee]

I dont care if i personally like Weir or not.

The only thing i care about is if he is getting results & getting the best out of the squad.

In this he has clearly failed & will be billed (rightly or wrongly) as the worst manager in our 125 years of existence.

(the stats say he is the worst though.)

 

[Selly]

Today's prized Penis Award (PPA) goes to Pinchy. a) for being unbelievably dim in comparison to his aptitude and b) for failing to read the post correctly.

Really? Have you read his other posts...

 

[dublin 10 blade]

You forget, quite conveniently of course because your argument fails miserably, that Warnock was one of the club's more successful managers. By comparison he would rank well with Paisley when their relative achievements with their respective clubs is compared.

No one is saying Warnock is/was Paisley's equal but by relative acheivements he did well.

Of course we know you are quite happy to see nice boring square ball football whether it is in League 1 or the Conference North. Success doesn't enter your vocabulary.

I am sure you could make chess an interesting spectator sport but if you never won you wouldn't be very successful would you.

In my book you gauge a manager by what they win , Uncle col won promotion to the prem , once with us , I don't care who he won promotion with elsewere there not my team , you lose in semi's your a loser , so to compare him with other winning managers is a moot point , also he was'nt straight off a winner with us and it took him a few years to get us going , Mr Warnock had his time with us and it was great at the time , let's relive the good times and remember them well , but let's look forward not back thinking that he could repeat the trick again , what next bring back kennie { yuck } brown , tongey , so it can remind us of when we had a half decent team .

 

[BladeFisher]

In my book you gauge a manager by what they win , Uncle col won promotion to the prem , once with us , I don't care who he won promotion with elsewere there not my team , you lose in semi's your a loser , so to compare him with other winning managers is a moot point , also he was'nt straight off a winner with us and it took him a few years to get us going , Mr Warnock had his time with us and it was great at the time , let's relive the good times and remember them well , but let's look forward not back thinking that he could repeat the trick again , what next bring back kennie { yuck } brown , tongey , so it can remind us of when we had a half decent team .

Well we haven't won a lot, so a real comparison by your calculation, which is totally logical, is a tad difficult!

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

All for sensible even heated debate but I would expect a poster to read a post properly before posting a reply that does nothing but highlight their ignorance.

I'm not sure heated debate is good for reading posts properly

 

[Kenilworth]

Ah, the 'passion' bollocks. You don't have to make a numpty of yourself on the touchline to inspire your team. I suspect many of you are too young to remember the great Bob Paisley, to mention but one quiet man. Bill Nicholson was another. Your hero, Warnock, is not on the same planet as those guys, never mind the same class. This passion v Arms Folded stuff is one of the most infantile discussions that football fans have. It's nonsense.

What you always seem to forget is that the likes of Paisley and Nicholson - indeed every other successful manager does not do this on their own. They have one or more assistants. So if it's not them ranting and berating players for more effort and commitment it's their number two. You are confusing the oft misused term passion with the unequivocal need in any pro team sport for encouragement to put in more effort, commitment to go that extra yard, driving more energy, persuading players (often physically at their limits) to up their game in order to overcome the opposition.

Even the mercurial Clough had Tailor to work with (never as successful without him) and what these close aides do is give some players a fucking rollocking when the time is right.

Good quality and organisation will get you so far. Collectiveness, spirit, willingness to burst a gut for your team mates, etc. These are the qualities that differentiate the winners and the losers and the also rans. It's not a cerebral game of chess this football malarkey. If you have two evenly balanced teams the ones who show more, drive more commit more, more togetherness, and more spirit will prevail. It's the belief that is instilled in them and that belief comes from leadership both on and off the pitch - but you have to have a man at the helm that creates that environment - whether he does the ranting himself or uses a surrogate, it makes no difference. I'll bet there is not one team ever that has won anything that hasn't needed a well deserved rocket up the arse at one time or another.

I want quality, swift passing football, intertwined with commitment, drive and belief. I want a team where the collective is greater than the sum of its parts. I want a mixture of short and long passing to work out an advantageous position to get beyond the opposition and create clear goal scoring opportunities. I want excitement, I want to be entertained, I want to see my team putting the opposition under the cosh and beating them out of site regardless of the odds.

You stick to your crocheting and painting by numbers.

 

[BladeFisher]

I think Pinchy has a sliver of a point in that if Beck. Warnock and Basset were as good managers as Paisley, they would be managing Liverpool, Man Utd or Chelsea rather than Cambridge and Sheffield United.

However his general point re hoof etc etc is, of course, the most risible bollocks imaginable.

Totally accept that Dazza. No problem with that point, nor am I trying to score one or be cocky clever et al. Warnock and perhaps more so Bassett, brought a sense of achievement to SUFC and Warnock's triple assault season was just ace. To get to 2 cup semi-finals was awesome and the Arsenal game was by far the best I have seen us play in all the FA cup semi-finals I have seen.

Still other than promo, Neil won sod all and he, rather than Tevez and the FA in my view has to take responsibility for snatching relegation from the jaws of safety. Even against Wigan we had our chances... and blew it. We just love screwing up on the big occassion and that is why we are poor bridesmaids.

Nevertheless by our standards over the last 40 odd years Neil and Dave brought us something, a passion for being a Blade, an underdog and David type club that would certainly and often did give others a run for their money. By that yardstick they were up there amongst the best Blades Managers in recent years. For the glory days, we just have to watch the silent films and dream about Nudger and Fattie.

 

[Darren]

I want quality, swift passing football, intertwined with commitment, drive and belief. I want a team where the collective is greater than the sum of its parts. I want a mixture of short and long passing to work out an advantageous position to get beyond the opposition and create clear goal scoring opportunities. I want excitement, I want to be entertained, I want to see my team putting the opposition under the cosh and beating them out of site regardless of the odds.
.

I always wanted to be a lumberjack....

 

[Kenilworth]

I always wanted to be a lumberjack....

Is he or isn't he?

 

[Pinchy]

What you always seem to forget is that the likes of Paisley and Nicholson - indeed every other successful manager does not do this on their own. They have one or more assistants. So if it's not them ranting and berating players for more effort and commitment it's their number two. You are confusing the oft misused term passion with the unequivocal need in any pro team sport for encouragement to put in more effort, commitment to go that extra yard, driving more energy, persuading players (often physically at their limits) to up their game in order to overcome the opposition.

Even the mercurial Clough had Tailor to work with (never as successful without him) and what these close aides do is give some players a fucking rollocking when the time is right.

Good quality and organisation will get you so far. Collectiveness, spirit, willingness to burst a gut for your team mates, etc. These are the qualities that differentiate the winners and the losers and the also rans. It's not a cerebral game of chess this football malarkey. If you have two evenly balanced teams the ones who show more, drive more commit more, more togetherness, and more spirit will prevail. It's the belief that is instilled in them and that belief comes from leadership both on and off the pitch - but you have to have a man at the helm that creates that environment - whether he does the ranting himself or uses a surrogate, it makes no difference. I'll bet there is not one team ever that has won anything that hasn't needed a well deserved rocket up the arse at one time or another.

I want quality, swift passing football, intertwined with commitment, drive and belief. I want a team where the collective is greater than the sum of its parts. I want a mixture of short and long passing to work out an advantageous position to get beyond the opposition and create clear goal scoring opportunities. I want excitement, I want to be entertained, I want to see my team putting the opposition under the cosh and beating them out of site regardless of the odds.

You stick to your crocheting and painting by numbers.

Well put. I want much the same as you. Anyone looking for criticism of long passing from me will search in vain. However, Bassett / Blackwell 'football' had precious little to do with passing.

Similarly, I am all in favour of encouragement, commitment, togetherness etc. It's a pity we don't see a little more of that from our 'supporters' at The Lane Library, incidentally. It is, however, neither impressive nor effective to spend 90 minutes pacing up and down the touchline, berating the fourth official (who has no power or influence), abusing the referee, linesman and opposing management team. That simply makes you look and sound like an idiot. All too often, that's precisely how Warnock behaved. When he did, it was both embarrassing and counter productive. Such antics serve to alienate and will have lost us more points than they won.

 

[Kenilworth]

Well put. I want much the same as you. Anyone looking for criticism of long passing from me will search in vain. However, Bassett / Blackwell 'football' had precious little to do with passing.

Similarly, I am all in favour of encouragement, commitment, togetherness etc. It's a pity we don't see a little more of that from our 'supporters' at The Lane Library, incidentally. It is, however, neither impressive nor effective to spend 90 minutes pacing up and down the touchline, berating the fourth official (who has no power or influence), abusing the referee, linesman and opposing management team. That simply makes you look and sound like an idiot. All too often, that's precisely how Warnock behaved. When he did, it was both embarrassing and counter productive. Such antics serve to alienate and will have lost us more points than they won.

Yep - can only disagree with you fully on the berating officials situation - gets you nowhere.

Bassett's skill was not the coaching of quality players but getting a group of generally average pros (with the odd gem in there) to gel as a team and overcome much better opposition. It was exciting and it was successful to a point and when you consider the funding he had to work with it was bloody mercurial. I had some of my best moments as a Blade fan during games when Bassett was in charge - the double over the pigs (the Booby Davidson match was so special), West Brom away first game of the season in Div 3 - Leicester away to clinch promotion to the top flight, the relief vs Forest when we eventually won a first division game (the old 1st div) , Mansfield away in the siling rain, so, so many more trips like Udders away in the cup when Agana scored from an impossible angle, etc. It brought us some desperately needed pride back when we had so much misery before - as, like many others on here, I was there at the Sty for the Boxing Day Massacre and the wait to avenge that seemed like an eternity.

 

[Pinchy]

Yep - can only disagree with you fully on the berating officials situation - gets you nowhere.

Bassett's skill was not the coaching of quality players but getting a group of generally average pros (with the odd gem in there) to gel as a team and overcome much better opposition. It was exciting and it was successful to a point and when you consider the funding he had to work with it was bloody mercurial. I had some of my best moments as a Blade fan during games when Bassett was in charge - the double over the pigs (the Booby Davidson match was so special), West Brom away first game of the season in Div 3 - Leicester away to clinch promotion to the top flight, the relief vs Forest when we eventually won a first division game (the old 1st div) , Mansfield away in the siling rain, so, so many more trips like Udders away in the cup when Agana scored from an impossible angle, etc. It brought us some desperately needed pride back when we had so much misery before - as, like many others on here, I was there at the Sty for the Boxing Day Massacre and the wait to avenge that seemed like an eternity.

I loved the Bassett era. It was right for that time, but that time only. My beef is with those who want that sort of stuff back. They are stuck in a Bladey time warp. My derision is aimed at them. Dinosaur Dave is just a shorthand medium.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I loved the Bassett era. It was right for that time, but that time only. My beef is with those who want that sort of stuff back. They are stuck in a Bladey time warp. My derision is aimed at them. Dinosaur Dave is just a shorthand medium.

Be shit getting back to back promotions

Bring back Weir

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Who will be next for the coveted LOBA?

You?

 

[Pinchy]

Be shit getting back to back promotions

Bring back Weir

My word, I've rarely seen a point missed by so wide a margin

I'll make it simple: It was just what we needed two decades ago. It doesn't work any more.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I'll make it simple: It was just what we needed two decades ago. It doesn't work any more.

Not that I'm advocating it but you must have a really short memory if you think that style of play can't get results in the modern game.

 

[Pinchy]

Not that I'm advocating it but you must have a really short memory if you think that style of play can't get results in the modern game.

The most bizarre thing is that you don't realise how ridiculous that looks.

Tug-O-War for you, young man. No skill, no finesse, no brains. Just the job.

 

[alcoblade]

My word, I've rarely seen a point missed by so wide a margin

I'll make it simple: It was just what we needed two decades ago. It doesn't work any more.

So we're clear, which managers play this style we aren't allowed to have?

UTB

 

[Pinchy]

So we're clear, which managers play this style we aren't allowed to have?

UTB

The style we aren't allowed to have, because it's a bit too sophisticated for the Jurassic Lane Hoofers, is known as proper football. It is, however much it may disappoint S2 backwoodsmen, the style that wins football matches and trophies. The style most football fans would want their team to play. Professional players and managers term it "the right way". It's the way Stephen Quinn wanted to play when Blackwell and Adams brought his career to a standstill. Only managers and players without talent want to play the game any other way.

 

[alcoblade]

The style we aren't allowed to have, because it's a bit too sophisticated for the Jurassic Lane Hoofers, is known as proper football. It is, however much it may disappoint S2 backwoodsmen, the style that wins football matches and trophies. The style most football fans would want their team to play. Professional players and managers term it "the right way". It's the way Stephen Quinn wanted to play when Blackwell and Adams brought his career to a standstill. Only managers and players without talent want to play the game any other way.

You can't name them, because you're FOS these days you've lost track of what you meant when you started your crusade. It's really aimed at anyone who was dissatisfied with 6% win ratio Davey boy. He tip tapped around, failed miserably, and you're stung. So caught in the headlights that you can't admit that limiting ourselves to only the purest brand of football in the 3rd division is not our saviour, but our downfall.

You're wrong. You know it, but you aren't brave enough to admit it.

UTB