Another nice pre season profit.

[davidpinder]

Money made again from transfers this summer approx 2m in nothing out, plus players out on more wages than those coming in. But still we are short on players with just 3 days to go.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

nothing out?

You know something we all don't?
How much did Simmonsen, Britton, Bogdanovic and Ertl cost?

Also in order to cut a wage bill you have to have players out on more wages, it's what you have to do when you can't sustain one of the highest wage bills in the league. I can't think of another way to do it what would be the alternative?

 

[shreds1975]

Money made again from transfers this summer approx 2m in nothing out, plus players out on more wages than those coming in. But still we are short on players with just 3 days to go.

Dave - your negativity about the money situation and perceived lack of investment make me want to tear my hair out. :loopy:

Bob is right. We have no divine right to expect KMc to continue to subsidise the club and it's cost base. Players have left and players come in, but if proceeds aren't held back to cover costs we are looking at a £4/5m loss based on last season's wage levels. Apre-season profit subsidises season long losses. If Birch has got our wage bill down from £14m to nearer £7m or £8m fair play, but it's not that straight forward and if income doesn't cover costs, where does it come from?

3 years ago I think 6 Championship clubs made an operating profit, that then dropped to 3 and last year not one club made an operating profit. Only one made a net profit, us - thanks to the accounting treatment to recognise all the Tevez money. Football is in a mess, rarely do clubs outside the Premiership spend significantly on transfer fees and even some of those in it don't or find it tough (Bolton have signed Blake and Petrov on frees, Alonso for an undisclosed fee and that meant that tehy couldn't afford Klasnic if Nantes hadn't released him).

Look down the list of Championship clubs, who has spent significant money this summer? Doncaster's chairman has funded a marquee signing, QPR have multi-millionairre backers, others that are spending are taking a massive gamble. We did that, didn't quite make it and now have to cut our cloth accordingly. We need a reality check. If Bartley and Dickinson come in we have built and effective squad to be at least top 8 and that is with the unfortunate injuries to Henderson and Walton. Let's be positive, gambling it all leaves Pompey on the brink tomorrow asking for a "sporting chance" that I wouldn't want to give them (it seems that last year only Scudamore did). Let's leave our neighbours trying to emulate that.:swfc:

We want Sheffield United to be here in 10 years time, not FC United of Sheffield.:thumbup:

 

[beightonblade]

The waste of money at BDTBL makes me think the loonie labour party have been running the show !

 

[bricktop]

Dave - your negativity about the money situation and perceived lack of investment make me want to tear my hair out. :loopy:

Bob is right. We have no divine right to expect KMc to continue to subsidise the club and it's cost base. Players have left and players come in, but if proceeds aren't held back to cover costs we are looking at a £4/5m loss based on last season's wage levels. Apre-season profit subsidises season long losses. If Birch has got our wage bill down from £14m to nearer £7m or £8m fair play, but it's not that straight forward and if income doesn't cover costs, where does it come from?

3 years ago I think 6 Championship clubs made an operating profit, that then dropped to 3 and last year not one club made an operating profit. Only one made a net profit, us - thanks to the accounting treatment to recognise all the Tevez money. Football is in a mess, rarely do clubs outside the Premiership spend significantly on transfer fees and even some of those in it don't or find it tough (Bolton have signed Blake and Petrov on frees, Alonso for an undisclosed fee and that meant that tehy couldn't afford Klasnic if Nantes hadn't released him).

Look down the list of Championship clubs, who has spent significant money this summer? Doncaster's chairman has funded a marquee signing, QPR have multi-millionairre backers, others that are spending are taking a massive gamble. We did that, didn't quite make it and now have to cut our cloth accordingly. We need a reality check. If Bartley and Dickinson come in we have built and effective squad to be at least top 8 and that is with the unfortunate injuries to Henderson and Walton. Let's be positive, gambling it all leaves Pompey on the brink tomorrow asking for a "sporting chance" that I wouldn't want to give them (it seems that last year only Scudamore did). Let's leave our neighbours trying to emulate that.:swfc:

We want Sheffield United to be here in 10 years time, not FC United of Sheffield.:thumbup:

Thanks for that. It's probably one of the truest things i have read on any Sheffield United forum over the last few years, but the realists will dismiss you as being a clapper, and the clappers will dismiss you as being a knocker.

No matter what way you look at it, that is absolutely bang on, still won't stop Lenners and the sunshine band coming on here for their daily dose of misery tomorrow

 

[Ollessendro]

Thanks for that. It's probably one of the truest things i have read on any Sheffield United forum over the last few years, but the realists will dismiss you as being a clapper, and the clappers will dismiss you as being a knocker.

No matter what way you look at it, that is absolutely bang on, still won't stop Lenners and the sunshine band coming on here for their daily dose of misery tomorrow

Give it a rest man. Your quick to come out with insults and derogatory remarks (although I do like the name 'sunshine band' and am happy to be named as one of the top 4 members so thanks for that) but not so quick to come out with stimulating debate, interesting comments or significant contributions. This is a forum, a place for debate. If you don't like the 'sunshine bands' posts then don't read them, or go to another forum. In fact why don't you set one up Brownie? You could set up a 'clappers' forum, where there is no negativity, abolsute optimism and the questioning of the club will be dealt with like Stlain dealt 'traitors'.

 

[Blade58]

Money made again from transfers this summer approx 2m in nothing out, plus players out on more wages than those coming in. But still we are short on players with just 3 days to go.

The £2m in will have gone towards the wage bill imo.

I can't confirm this, but someone is posting that whilst we all believed it would dop to around £6m, it's standing at around £9m. A fair old drop from the reported £14m last season wouldn't you say, but not as low as we expected!

Still tell me, how do you get to a £9m reported wage bill with less than £3m revenue raised from season ticket sales?

Something has to give. We have no money and if I'm being honest and imho, if the wage bill is around £9m then I think that's pretty good going by the club to sanction it!

Obviously, the size of the wage bill does not reflect the size of success, but let's hope it keeps us competitive and gives us a chance of the top 6

Not sure who's still to come in as we are short in defence, but there are some negative comments appearing from an itk-er, which is concerning, but fingers crossed

 

[Mousey]

Give it a rest man. Your quick to come out with insults and derogatory remarks (although I do like the name 'sunshine band' and am happy to be named as one of the top 4 members so thanks for that) but not so quick to come out with stimulating debate, interesting comments or significant contributions. This is a forum, a place for debate. If you don't like the 'sunshine bands' posts then don't read them, or go to another forum. In fact why don't you set one up Brownie? You could set up a 'clappers' forum, where there is no negativity, abolsute optimism and the questioning of the club will be dealt with like Stlain dealt 'traitors'.

It is a place to debate. And as such he is allowed to agree with somebody who has made a very good post. Therefore giving his backing to a side of a debate.

p.s. It's you're as in you are.

 

[sheffielder]

The waste of money at BDTBL makes me think the loonie labour party have been running the show !

I think if Labour had been running the club we would be spending like Man City

 

[bricktop]

Give it a rest man. Your quick to come out with insults and derogatory remarks (although I do like the name 'sunshine band' and am happy to be named as one of the top 4 members so thanks for that) but not so quick to come out with stimulating debate, interesting comments or significant contributions. This is a forum, a place for debate. If you don't like the 'sunshine bands' posts then don't read them, or go to another forum. In fact why don't you set one up Brownie? You could set up a 'clappers' forum, where there is no negativity, abolsute optimism and the questioning of the club will be dealt with like Stlain dealt 'traitors'.

There is not much more that i could have added to what Shreds had written. To be quite honest that is a realistic view of things. We have no divine right to expect McCabe to throw more and money at the club when he has already done that.

The bottom line is that United have had to cut their cloth accordingly to play at a level below the Premiership, and that is what they have done. Do people not see that employing players on Premiership wages is financial madness?

You can me a clapper, or say whatever you want to, but the bottom line is that i see and form my own opinions, and use them as i see fit. I'm just fed up of the continual bastard negativity that is always on here day in, day out by the same perpetrators.

 

[sheffielder]

Money made again from transfers this summer approx 2m in nothing out, plus players out on more wages than those coming in. But still we are short on players with just 3 days to go.

I think we have done well with the signings we have made. Bartley and Dickinson (and maybe a right back although I would give the job to Lowton) would give us a very strong squad. Hopefully the youngsters will get a chance instead of short term loans this season when injuries happen. For the 1st time in a while I can actually see the club going in the right direction and building for the future. I just hope Blackwell can stick to the vision

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Birch's aim was ideally £6M, we are looking at a £9M this season in order to remain competitive.

 

[super_pig]

being a cynic of the highest order, i have a sneaking suspicion that the pompey situation could be the tip of an enormous iceberg.. if one domino topples.. a precedent will be set and a whole bunch could follow.. i often wonder if Kev Mac has a cunning masterplan to stay solvent(ish) and sit in mid table.. the way things are going they'll have to 'invite' us to the premiership because they will have run out of teams
why do i think that.. umm .. because that is what i'd do.. heh:fishbowl:

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Well the best bit of the Pompy situation and the reason that I hope HMRC win is that according to Bills Leeds have also being using offshore accounts for image rights. The difference is they have been doing it for 7 years and could be hit with a nice big bill.

Bring it on, taxman.

 

[syd]

we still have a very small squad and this point so close to the season can you not see that we are going to get despret two weeks in and sign players like jordan stewart
surely it would be better to spend £500,000 now on few season long loans or even freebies as back players than gamble on these short term loans that have been made to come by their parent clubs.
Theres still players out there that are going to be surplus to requirements this season.
I rekon our scouting system is doesnt exist!

 

[Ollessendro]

There is not much more that i could have added to what Shreds had written. To be quite honest that is a realistic view of things. We have no divine right to expect McCabe to throw more and money at the club when he has already done that.

The bottom line is that United have had to cut their cloth accordingly to play at a level below the Premiership, and that is what they have done. Do people not see that employing players on Premiership wages is financial madness?

You can me a clapper, or say whatever you want to, but the bottom line is that i see and form my own opinions, and use them as i see fit. I'm just fed up of the continual bastard negativity that is always on here day in, day out by the same perpetrators.

I agree with a lot of the things that Shreds said.

I'm not interested in calling you a 'clapper', only in a tongue in cheek sense. But you're very quick to categorise posters into the 'knocker' category. It strikes me as hypocrisy. But like I said the whole 'sunshine band' thing has made me laugh and I quite like the name.

I have never understood this 'i'm pissed off at the negativity', 'i'm pissed off at the perpetual positivity' or 'same bloody posters, saying same blllody shit'. Ignore them, don't read the posts, enter into to debate if you think the issue is worthwhile or even set up a 'happy clapper' forum where you can't make negative comments. You could always aks Linz or Foxy to set up a 'clappers' sub group where you don't allow the pessimist bunch that is the 'sunshine band' not to post. It's slightly fascist, but then at least you wouldn't have to see all this bastard negativity.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

I'm with Brownie on this one.

I too am fed up with the continual negativity on here - and also the criticism of anyone who dare oppose the "knockers", some of which is reasonably well argued (Ollesendro being the most notable), but much of which is simple knee-jerk reaction.

As a result I post far less than in the past - as do a number of others with similar views. It seems to have become unacceptable to a number of vociferous "knockers" on here, to say anything positive (or even neutral) about the club. I for one feel a degree of imtimidation which is stifling debate - not encouraging it.

A greater degree of thought - more replies from the brain rather than the gut - might see a more rounded debate.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

we still have a very small squad and this point so close to the season can you not see that we are going to get despret two weeks in and sign players like jordan stewart
surely it would be better to spend £500,000 now on few season long loans or even freebies as back players than gamble on these short term loans that have been made to come by their parent clubs.
Theres still players out there that are going to be surplus to requirements this season.
I rekon our scouting system is doesnt exist!

The Jordan Stewart transfer is one on its own. I can't post all the in's and outs but if you look at the outs when Stewart came in you can piece most of it together.

I don't think we are waiting on short term loans, I said a while back I expected about 4 and I think that will be more or less right, there may be an additional one to cover Walton.

While on the subject of Walton there is a rumour that his injury again isn't as bad as first thought. Not heard anything to confirm this and it would seem to go against what has been said by Blackwell this week but that would be a bonus and just the type of squad player you are talking about.

 

[Revolution]

The Jordan Stewart transfer is one on its own. I can't post all the in's and outs but if you look at the outs when Stewart came in you might be able to piece it all together.

Stewart was a salary dump, as they say in the US. We want shut of Hendrie and his wages, we have to take Stewart and his wages.

 

[syd]

Simon Walton would have been brilliant for us i wouldnt be surprised if we seen him just after christmas

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Indeed, we were interested in other players but Derby didn't want to deal. Basically if we want rid of Hendrie you take Steward full stop. There was more but that's the crux of it.

As for Walton, I really thought it could be the right move at the right time for him and us. I'm hoping the Lazarus stories are true, I just can't see it.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

The Jordan Stewart transfer is one on its own. I can't post all the in's and outs but if you look at the outs when Stewart came in you can piece most of it together.

I don't think we are waiting on short term loans, I said a while back I expected about 4 and I think that will be more or less right, there may be an additional one to cover Walton.

While on the subject of Walton there is a rumour that his injury again isn't as bad as first thought. Not heard anything to confirm this and it would seem to go against what has been said by Blackwell this week but that would be a bonus and just the type of squad player you are talking about.

I'd like to believe your post is correct Bob but all the evidence suggests otherwise:-

1) Jordan Stewart was only brought in to get rid of Lee Hendrie and yet he then started 15 matches for the Blades and was a sub for 8 others. He was quite often chosen to play ahead of fit players who hadn't been "foisted" on Blackwell against his will. So I'm afraid that theory doesn't quite hold water.

2) You're expecting us to sign 4 or possibly 5 new players but Blackwell said in the Yorkshire Post as recently as Monday "I've only got 17 players, so I do need another two or three". I heard him say myself on Radio Sheffield that we would be "going with what we've got" in terms of forwards and yet we only have 3 fit strikers.

3) I hope you're right about Walton but he isn't even listed in our squad on the official site. If he does get fit, he will surely only be able to play half a season at best and he's hardly going to be a season-changer.

4) For those who are saying we have a "very strong squad". Just imagine for a moment that Ward, Yeates and Creswell are all injured or suspended and then pick your best XI. How many strikers are on your bench? How much pace do you have in the side? Do we need to bring someone else in really?

 

[super_pig]

hi olle.. where do i get my application form for the sunshine band?

 

[Tuns]

Criticising the club's lack of ambition and creativity and nouse in the transfer market does not mean you want us to see us go mad and be 'another Pompey. '

It is possible that McCabe has made some very bad decisions as well as some very good ones during his tenure.

I think his intentions have always been good.

But he has presided over a club during a period when we have racked up a £50m debt for one season in the top flight and let's face it we now look like we are in for our usual 10 year plus exile from the Prem.

Sure we've smartened the ground up a little bit during his time - but how many big club's haven't during that period. Crowds went up - as they did at most clubs.

I'd like to have seen a bit more honesty from McCabe about the mistakes and a bit more sensible ambition in the transfer market and just as importantly a bit more imagination in who we sign and who we appoint as manager. I don't think we'll get any of it in the foreseeable.

 

[Ollessendro]

hi olle.. where do i get my application form for the sunshine band?

Come over and join the dark side anytime super_pig.

 

[Ollessendro]

I too am fed up with the continual negativity on here - and also the criticism of anyone who dare oppose the "knockers", some of which is reasonably well argued (Ollesendro being the most notable), but much of which is simple knee-jerk reaction.

As a result I post far less than in the past - as do a number of others with similar views. It seems to have become unacceptable to a number of vociferous "knockers" on here, to say anything positive (or even neutral) about the club. I for one feel a degree of imtimidation which is stifling debate - not encouraging it.

A greater degree of thought - more replies from the brain rather than the gut - might see a more rounded debate.

I think that was a back handed compliment. Or pehaps it was a further dig at me and I misunderstood.

I think you are being unfair Sheepdip, but I'm also sorry you feel that way. I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't want to intimidate anyone who is positive about the club. I'll debate or argue with them if I disagree, but that's the point of a forum. Personally i don't see a lot to be posative about at the moment. I'm quite cynical and sarcastic, but a lot of it is tongue in cheek (although i appreciate that members might not pick up on that). I feel that many of the so called 'knockers' would give credit to the club if they thought so (but maybe I shouldn't speak for the rest). I certainly have. Anyone who reads my posts carefully, has read my match reports or threads etc will realise that despite being partisan (towards Blackwell) I try to do it constructively. I don't take this forum to seriosuly and see a lot of the discussion as banter. I am sorry that you, Sheepdip, and others (if they feel the same way) feel like they can't post on here for fear of whatever. I can't abide by personal abuse or anything like that, but I think if you post and opinion then you should be prepared to defend it.

 

[lenners]

Dave - your negativity about the money situation and perceived lack of investment make me want to tear my hair out. :loopy:

Bob is right. We have no divine right to expect KMc to continue to subsidise the club and it's cost base. Players have left and players come in, but if proceeds aren't held back to cover costs we are looking at a £4/5m loss based on last season's wage levels. Apre-season profit subsidises season long losses. If Birch has got our wage bill down from £14m to nearer £7m or £8m fair play, but it's not that straight forward and if income doesn't cover costs, where does it come from?

3 years ago I think 6 Championship clubs made an operating profit, that then dropped to 3 and last year not one club made an operating profit. Only one made a net profit, us - thanks to the accounting treatment to recognise all the Tevez money. Football is in a mess, rarely do clubs outside the Premiership spend significantly on transfer fees and even some of those in it don't or find it tough (Bolton have signed Blake and Petrov on frees, Alonso for an undisclosed fee and that meant that tehy couldn't afford Klasnic if Nantes hadn't released him).

Look down the list of Championship clubs, who has spent significant money this summer? Doncaster's chairman has funded a marquee signing, QPR have multi-millionairre backers, others that are spending are taking a massive gamble. We did that, didn't quite make it and now have to cut our cloth accordingly. We need a reality check. If Bartley and Dickinson come in we have built and effective squad to be at least top 8 and that is with the unfortunate injuries to Henderson and Walton. Let's be positive, gambling it all leaves Pompey on the brink tomorrow asking for a "sporting chance" that I wouldn't want to give them (it seems that last year only Scudamore did). Let's leave our neighbours trying to emulate that.:swfc:

We want Sheffield United to be here in 10 years time, not FC United of Sheffield.:thumbup:

Yes, we've heard all that before, though it's always worrying when anyone uses the phrase 'divine right' when nobody's ever suggested any such thing.
What we've never had an answer to is why we're £50m in debt despite having a £20m bonus that any other club would have feinted over.
As you point out, it was accounted for last year to give a slightly different impression to the outcome of 08/09.
Nobody as far as I can tell is suggesting we go out and spend big money on players.
But that's different from remaining thoroughly pissed off with the shocking financial management of the club that has got us to this position in the first place.
That and the empty promises of getting our squad together before the pre-season tour, Billy Sharp coming back, no reliance on loanings etc, etc.

 

[raul]

Criticising the club's lack of ambition and creativity and nouse in the transfer market does not mean you want us to see us go mad and be 'another Pompey. '

It is possible that McCabe has made some very bad decisions as well as some very good ones during his tenure.

I think his intentions have always been good.

But he has presided over a club during a period when we have racked up a £50m debt for one season in the top flight and let's face it we now look like we are in for our usual 10 year plus exile from the Prem.

Sure we've smartened the ground up a little bit during his time - but how many big club's haven't during that period. Crowds went up - as they did at most clubs.

I'd like to have seen a bit more honesty from McCabe about the mistakes and a bit more sensible ambition in the transfer market and just as importantly a bit more imagination in who we sign and who we appoint as manager. I don't think we'll get any of it in the foreseeable.

Quality post Tuns. Can we have more please?

 

[Ollessendro]

Quality post Tuns. Can we have more please?

Want to join the 'sunshine band' Tuns

 

[JohnDenver]

Criticising the club's lack of ambition and creativity and nouse in the transfer market does not mean you want us to see us go mad and be 'another Pompey. '

Of course not, but when people say ambition, they usually mean spending money. If you don't have money, how do you show ambition?

One option is to behave like Lee Strafford...