Anel

[Stockholm syndrom]

Yes exactly. If you were an Englishman born and raised in Korea, you would be an Englishman in Korea. Not Korean. Ethnicity and nationality are not the same thing. In the case of Anel, he is Bosnian by ethnicity hence why he chose to play for Bosnia and not Sweden.

My grandma bless her soul was Jewish, no bacon allowed at hers when I whent there.
I’m not English then? Don’t understand mate

 

[alcoblade]

God there’s some backward thinking folk

Apparently Berge and Anel aren’t that good ... the mind boggles

You’ve all been brain washed ... owner first want us ... sell ... sell and keep any money coming in to the club.

By the time he leaves every single aspect of the club will have taken a huge step back off and on the field

Straw man alert!

I think there’s a widespread consensus (never everyone) that he’s a top championship player who hasn’t (yet?) made the step up to premier league level. Like a good number of our players.

I’d like to, and hope we keep him. I won’t wet the bed if we don’t.

 

[Bladethebrian]

Thank goodness we’re no longer a selling club ….

 

[jono_t2000]

I expect the usual channels will start parroting that in earnest.

Exactly, expect the prince's mouthpieces to start discrediting Anel as a person/player.

Poor attitude
Didn't want to be here
Not playing well

etc etc etc

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Weerz bids for Brewster

 

[Pedro's Winger]

So would you have spent less on players and more in infrastructure?

You can’t have both, without saying where the money is coming from.

Yes. And if you recruit well (and potentially sell well and at the right time) you don't need to overspend on average players.
We'll have spent about 30m or so on Brewster by now, all in. What an incredible waste. McBurnie has done better but again an overspend in terms of return.
Not getting Ndiaye tied down earlier to realise more value etc, etc.
The overall management of the club is and has been badly lacking.
And players aren't daft. Anel would know he's better off elsewhere and it's also why it becomes harder to sell the club to potential signings.
Why would they sign when they can see we're not really a serious football club.

 

[wizadry]

Straw man alert!

I think there’s a widespread consensus (never everyone) that he’s a top championship player who hasn’t (yet?) made the step up to premier league level. Like a good number of our players.

I’d like to, and hope we keep him. I won’t wet the bed if we don’t.

Your post is exactly the reason we should be keeping him. We’d be mad to let a talent like him go when he can clearly be a top end Championship player at the very least, who can improve, who had Ronaldo in his back pocket in a euro qualifier. Some people can’t see a good player when it smacks them in the chops, he can clearly play but something is clearly wrong at the club and it isn’t helping him or any of the others.

 

[alcoblade]

Yes. And if you recruit well (and potentially sell well and at the right time) you don't need to overspend on average players.
We'll have spent about 30m or so on Brewster by now, all in. What an incredible waste. McBurnie has done better but again an overspend in terms of return.
Not getting Ndiaye tied down earlier to realise more value etc, etc.
The overall management of the club is and has been badly lacking.
And players aren't daft. Anel would know he's better off elsewhere and it's also why it becomes harder to sell the club to potential signings.
Why would they sign when they can see we're not really a serious football club.

Hindsight is wonderful when signing players. Brewster’s fucking rubbish, but I didn’t see many identifying that we signed him. I’d agree our recruitment policy has failed over recent years though.

 

[alcoblade]

Your post is exactly the reason we should be keeping him. We’d be mad to let a talent like him go when he can clearly be a top end Championship player at the very least, who can improve, who had Ronaldo in his back pocket in a euro qualifier. Some people can’t see a good player when it smacks them in the chops, he can clearly play but something is clearly wrong at the club and it isn’t helping him or any of the others.

Whatever is wrong it doesn’t explain him constantly losing the physical battles.

 

[wizadry]

Whatever is wrong it doesn’t explain him constantly losing the physical battles.

Other than that which I don’t agree with all the time, do you think we should be keeping top Championship players considering where we will be playing next year?

 

[alcoblade]

Other than that which I don’t agree with all the time, do you think we should be keeping top Championship players considering where we will be playing next year?

Yes, as I’ve stated above.

 

[HeySethUTB]

If we’re talking about it he’s already gone, maybe not this window (aka Berge/Ndiaye) but he’ll probably not be a United player next season.

In that reality would it be better to sell and bring in a replacement to get battered and bedded in or wait until the summer, he’s contracted to us until 2026, no pressure to sell right now.

Also consider at this moment in time, Scott McKenna, Lloyd Kelly, Tosin Adarabioyo, paddy McNair and Jamal Lascelles will be free agents in the summer

 

[alcoblade]

If we’re talking about it he’s already gone, maybe not this window (aka Berge/Ndiaye) but he’ll probably not be a United player next season.

In that reality would it be better to sell and bring in a replacement to get battered and bedded in or wait until the summer, he’s contracted to us until 2026, no pressure to sell right now.

Though I hope he stays, if he doesn’t we need to be aiming to sign physically stronger and faster players, across the board.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Thank goodness we’re no longer a selling club ….

I agree, gone are the days of us accepting a pittance for our players, how nice is it knowing that we're not going to accept the first bid that comes our way, and actually hold out for market value for our want away players.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Just a thought.....we could already have a central defender in McBurnie, the trick is to find a decent forward to take his place.

 

[wizadry]

Just a thought.....we could already have a central defender in McBurnie, the trick is to find a decent forward to take his place.

I don’t think we’d need Harry Houdini or Derren Brown to sort it.

 

[Champagneblade]

At the moment and I just put this in shoutbox, my feelings on Anel are as follows:

Removing the expectation and positivelity I had towards him entering this season, it feels like he is too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Premier League right now.

In the Championship we are attacking most of the time. He has little defending to do. He is comfortable with the ball, rangy so can cover ground and can score the odd goal. Even at this level he picked up plenty of bookings when he ended up the wrong side of his man.

In the Premiership we are defending most of the time. So, scope to display what he is good at almost entirely disappears. Focus is then on his basic defending. He still gets in the wrong position at times but given the lack of possession this happens frequently. His defensive judgment can also be lacking e.g. going to ground on Luton’s deflected winner.

If we are to set aside 3-5-2 then his defensive shortcomings are going to be more frequently exposed in a 4 at the back.

On a pure football basis, if Wilder sees us doing better as a 4-3-3 team then I don’t see where Anel fits.

In a 4-3-3 you have one more bona fide attacking player and you’d have to conclude that having Brereton-Diaz, Archer or McAtee in the team is more likely to get us wins than losing one of them and having Anel in.

If we can get someone in who is dominant and loves the art of defending as much as Anel loves the art of attacking, then this might simply be that we are swapping out a square peg for a round peg when we now have a round hole to fill.

 

[jono_t2000]

At the moment and I just put this in shoutbox, my feelings on Anel are as follows:

Removing the expectation and positivelity I had towards him entering this season, it feels like he is too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Premier League right now.

In the Championship we are attacking most of the time. He has little defending to do. He is comfortable with the ball, rangy so can cover ground and can score the odd goal. Even at this level he picked up plenty of bookings when he ended up the wrong side of his man.

In the Premiership we are defending most of the time. So, scope to display what he is good at almost entirely disappears. Focus is then on his basic defending. He still gets in the wrong position at times but given the lack of possession this happens frequently. His defensive judgment can also be lacking e.g. going to ground on Luton’s deflected winner.

If we are to set aside 3-5-2 then his defensive shortcomings are going to be more frequently exposed in a 4 at the back.

On a pure football basis, if Wilder sees us doing better as a 4-3-3 team then I don’t see where Anel fits.

In a 4-3-3 you have one more bona fide attacking player and you’d have to conclude that having Brereton-Diaz, Archer or McAtee in the team is more likely to get us wins than losing one of them and having Anel in.

If we can get someone in who is dominant and loves the art of defending as much as Anel loves the art of attacking, then this might simply be that we are swapping out a square peg for a round peg when we now have a round hole to fill.

Good post

 

[nopigfansintown]

10 million? Is this a wind up? Are we back in 1999?

 

[nopigfansintown]

My guess is that we’ve inflated our wage structure beyond what’s sustainable long term, and it takes longer for players to greatly reduce their expectations, hence deals taking far longer or not getting done.

It all boils down to an owner in over his head. He can't afford to run United in the Champ and can't afford to make us competitive in the Prem. The failure to renew key assets in the Champ is due to us not having a pot to piss in when we're there."We let our biggest assets get in their final 12 months so they play better" . Anybody believe that? In light of that, bringing in expensive loans and being linked with permanents from Prem clubs, on Prem wages, is crazy given the likelihood of relegation. We should be targeting young lads, with potential resale value that fit into a sustainable Championship wage budget. We rolled the dice on promotion. We are seemingly rolling it on staying up. All on red.

*Unless there's an imminent takeover that transforms the financial reality

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Haha very cultured for a Mackam!

Aye
‘tha can tek t’lad art o’Barnsley but……’

 

[Jan Age]

Straw man alert!

I think there’s a widespread consensus (never everyone) that he’s a top championship player who hasn’t (yet?) made the step up to premier league level. Like a good number of our players.

I’d like to, and hope we keep him. I won’t wet the bed if we don’t.

I have no idea if that’s an insult or not.

However, Anel is one of our better players in a poor squad that is only going to get worst via the sale of him.

That’s just facts.

 

[alcoblade]

I have no idea if that’s an insult or not.

However, Anel is one of our better players in a poor squad that is only going to get worst via the sale of him.

That’s just facts.

It’s not a personal insult to you, just the point you made. I agree with this point.

 

[Bergen Blade]

At the moment and I just put this in shoutbox, my feelings on Anel are as follows:

Removing the expectation and positivelity I had towards him entering this season, it feels like he is too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Premier League right now.

In the Championship we are attacking most of the time. He has little defending to do. He is comfortable with the ball, rangy so can cover ground and can score the odd goal. Even at this level he picked up plenty of bookings when he ended up the wrong side of his man.

In the Premiership we are defending most of the time. So, scope to display what he is good at almost entirely disappears. Focus is then on his basic defending. He still gets in the wrong position at times but given the lack of possession this happens frequently. His defensive judgment can also be lacking e.g. going to ground on Luton’s deflected winner.

If we are to set aside 3-5-2 then his defensive shortcomings are going to be more frequently exposed in a 4 at the back.

On a pure football basis, if Wilder sees us doing better as a 4-3-3 team then I don’t see where Anel fits.

In a 4-3-3 you have one more bona fide attacking player and you’d have to conclude that having Brereton-Diaz, Archer or McAtee in the team is more likely to get us wins than losing one of them and having Anel in.

If we can get someone in who is dominant and loves the art of defending as much as Anel loves the art of attacking, then this might simply be that we are swapping out a square peg for a round peg when we now have a round hole to fill.

Despite criticism on here I think there's a reason Ahmedhodzic is being singled out as a player Napoli wants. Players aren't signed just based on how things are going at their current club. They look at his attributes and imagine how he'll perform in their side, which may not have the weaknesses we do at the moment. They may also think he's more suitable for their league and will expect him to perform better.

Napoli have another scandinavian centre half in Leo Østigård, who is a tougher centre half and one of the technically best header of a ball I've ever seen. He's been in and out of their team, so a swap may not have been totally unrealistic. But our current position means we aren't very attractive for permanent signings.

 

[BigBed]

Unfortunately last we heard about him just a few weeks ago he still can't put any weight on his foot. It was one of the worst injuries I have ever seen and at his age i don't see him back sadly

Agree, there's no way he's going to be strong enough.
Your ankle doesn't just snap, Bash isn't exactly an overweight unfit dad playing Sunday league, he's an ultra fit, if the talk of him in training is correct, football player.
Sadly, I think he's done.

 

[ancientblade]

At the moment and I just put this in shoutbox, my feelings on Anel are as follows:

Removing the expectation and positivelity I had towards him entering this season, it feels like he is too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Premier League right now.

In the Championship we are attacking most of the time. He has little defending to do. He is comfortable with the ball, rangy so can cover ground and can score the odd goal. Even at this level he picked up plenty of bookings when he ended up the wrong side of his man.

In the Premiership we are defending most of the time. So, scope to display what he is good at almost entirely disappears. Focus is then on his basic defending. He still gets in the wrong position at times but given the lack of possession this happens frequently. His defensive judgment can also be lacking e.g. going to ground on Luton’s deflected winner.

If we are to set aside 3-5-2 then his defensive shortcomings are going to be more frequently exposed in a 4 at the back.

On a pure football basis, if Wilder sees us doing better as a 4-3-3 team then I don’t see where Anel fits.

In a 4-3-3 you have one more bona fide attacking player and you’d have to conclude that having Brereton-Diaz, Archer or McAtee in the team is more likely to get us wins than losing one of them and having Anel in.

If we can get someone in who is dominant and loves the art of defending as much as Anel loves the art of attacking, then this might simply be that we are swapping out a square peg for a round peg when we now have a round hole to fill.

think youve touched on a very interesting point i also think we will be going 433 next season and anel doesnt quite fit in to that system imo hence the rumoured interest in mepham can also see egan being sold im not sure he fits a back 4 either

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I think given only one player who will have a demonstrable impact on our fortunes next has renewed (Brooks)

(Osula)

 

[Sean Thornton]

Exactly, expect the prince's mouthpieces to start discrediting Anel as a person/player.

Poor attitude
Didn't want to be here
Not playing well

etc etc etc

A very quick search shows it’s hardly the Princes mouthpieces who stoop to that but simply critical forum members who like a moan. Logically they’d be agin the owner and using Anel as a poor buy. So really the exact opposites of said mouthpieces. Perhaps you have an example to back your claim up though?

 

[brownblade]

Despite criticism on here I think there's a reason Ahmedhodzic is being singled out as a player Napoli wants. Players aren't signed just based on how things are going at their current club. They look at his attributes and imagine how he'll perform in their side, which may not have the weaknesses we do at the moment. They may also think he's more suitable for their league and will expect him to perform better.

Napoli have another scandinavian centre half in Leo Østigård, who is a tougher centre half and one of the technically best header of a ball I've ever seen. He's been in and out of their team, so a swap may not have been totally unrealistic. But our current position means we aren't very attractive for permanent signings.

Just read this post! Yes.

 

[Mojo]

Yet another example of how short sited and badly run we have been.

This is where selling your best players leads to. Your other highly rated players getting demoralised and wanting out.

If Anel had a decent season we could have been looking at 30 mill plus, now we will take far far less.