Outgoing? Andre Brooks

[SwissBlade]

Ok, what i meant was, keep selling our better players, and we end up playing them in a lower division

Selling young players we've developed or contributed to the development of, is what has enabled us to move from League One and the Championship to the Premier League. Selling DCL, Ramsdale and Brooks allowed us to bring players in of quality to get us out of those divisions. Its perhaps the best business model we've followed.

McCabe was very much into this, the Prince too and COH have also made efforts to do the same.

What Wednesday have failed to do is develop any young talent and sell for a decent profit to be reinvested in the team, they've not been able to negotiate sell on clauses and when they've signed younger players, they've had to pay over the odds or loan them with no future value increase.

Wednesday are going exactly where a club with a failed or absent business model should be going and there are very few comparisons in how we trade players.

Fair enough. Although I think something catastrophic would have to happen for us to wind up in League 2

League one would be a big enough drop, given the efforts made to arrest the failings of the summer. League two would be some sort of capitulation

I would trust wilder to wheel and deal with say £10m in the Championship. He could get 2 or 3 good players for that.

It's when he has a treasure chest that we worry

I'm not sure we've ever had a treasure chest. Wilder certainly doesn't do the wheeling and dealing, to the level you'd assume.

£200m for going to and staying in the Premier League doesn't go a long way when you have to effectively take a Championship or League one squad (ageing one at that) and try to turn it into a squad (not just a first 11) capable of competing in the Premier League is a ridiculous task. Their are obviously outliers, but those clubs will be Premier League ready in all aspects of their club.

The pool of players that we're able to scout isn't that big.

As for Brooks, if we had the choice of selling Brooks or Seriki to keep Peck for another season, i'd take it.

 

[Tongeincheek]

As for Brooks, if we had the choice of selling Brooks or Seriki to keep Peck for another season, i'd take it.

I really rate Sydie Peck, I think he's a good player with a bright future, so I don't say this lightly, but I'd sell him in a heartbeat if it meant that we got to keep Seriki - more consistent and a much higher ceiling.

As this is a Brooks thread - I'd be really disappointed to lose him, but I can see why he'd be open to going
- the possibility of European football
- escaping the circus of how our club is run
- presumably getting a manager who doesn't have a massive go at him if Tahith Chong has a shit game.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Everyone has a fee and the replacement is a bigger issue than that even.

6 goals and 4 assists over the last two seasons isn't a huge total.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Tough treatment to a football player nowadays,that’s a laugh,it would have sent them the other way,see many others who just pull the plug and want to go in another direction. They had not stagnated in their progress,they were on an upward trend,then dropped for no reason as their attitude in training wasn’t enough. Then he has the audacity to call them out in public instead of keeping behind closed doors. He doesn’t call out his signings that have had no effect or a disaster has he ?

Call Wilder out if you want but! It's had the right response since.
Wilder has been managing players for thirty years! If he hasn't learnt a bit of simple psychology then he wouldn't be managing at our level! Infact he wouldn't be managing at all.
It's part of .managing not just in football.

 

[Shawy24]

Call Wilder out if you want but! It's had the right response since.
Wilder has been managing players for thirty years! If he hasn't learnt a bit of simple psychology then he wouldn't be managing at our level! Infact he wouldn't be managing at all.
It's part of .managing not just in football.

Yeah but he’s also got a history of playing his favourites and trying to prove a point by playing those he signed who have bombed. Not playing players who challenge him. He’s stubborn and arrogant. But then again I’m not sure I’ve seen a manager who isn’t.

 

[SwissBlade]

I really rate Sydie Peck, I think he's a good player with a bright future, so I don't say this lightly, but I'd sell him in a heartbeat if it meant that we got to keep Seriki - more consistent and a much higher ceiling.

As this is a Brooks thread - I'd be really disappointed to lose him, but I can see why he'd be open to going
- the possibility of European football
- escaping the circus of how our club is run
- presumably getting a manager who doesn't have a massive go at him if Tahith Chong has a shit game.

I think Seriki and Brooks have had far more inconsistency than Peck.

Seriki has certainly cemented his place and whilst i really think he's got a bright future, his consistency in firstly holding down his place and playing to the same levels has taken much longer, but i'd agree he's getting there now. I think his ceiling will be high, like Peck and we can probably get decent money for his potential through a decent sell on clause. I like him. I'd certainly like us to keep him. I can see the value in selling him for a decent amount though. At this level he is replaceable with a lesser player. At Premier League level i think he'd struggle as the 1st choice for the next year or two with some of his weaknesses, but i think in a couple of years he'll be a very good player.

Brooks needs time. He's extremely inconsistent and frustrating, his end product lets him down in both crossing and striking the ball, but he runs with the ball well and finds himself in good positions, which is harder to develop. So he's a promising player. If he can continue to develop, he'll be a very valuable player, but he's the one i think has the most questionable ceiling. He's perhaps more of the wildcard.

Peck. Consistent and has absolute bags of quality. He's been exposed this season under Selles and the weird formation he played, he's missed the likes of Souza and until we brought in a few reinforcements he looked very exposed. Its impacted his form. But the form he showed last year really highlighted the player he is and will be. The age he's at to be leading the midfield in a top side last season and the struggles he's had this season will help him grow. He's not crumbled. Looking to next season i think he's a really key player in the spine of the team. Cooper, Tanganga, Peck, Blaster and Bamford provide a really stable spine and allows us to play players like Brooks, especially with the pressing of O'Hare in that free-er role. Peck, in my view is the most likely to achieve his ceiling.

I don't mean this as a slight on Seriki, but I think we can survive with a lesser player than him at RB, we will struggle to replace Peck in central midfield, its a higher value position to replace. In a side that will be cutting costs next season and will perhaps need to make decisions on priorities, for me its Peck, everyday.

That said, if we get a very good offer in for Peck, like i've said before, inevitably it will come when we don't get up this season, i think we will take it and thats the smart thing to do as well as much as i want to see Peck with us for years to come (and Seriki for that matter)

 

[AWetFlannel]

Yeah but he’s also got a history of playing his favourites and trying to prove a point by playing those he signed who have bombed. Not playing players who challenge him.

Appreciate that you've caveated this, but examples?

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Call Wilder out if you want but! It's had the right response since.
Wilder has been managing players for thirty years! If he hasn't learnt a bit of simple psychology then he wouldn't be managing at our level! Infact he wouldn't be managing at all.
It's part of .managing not just in football.

Mr Wilder aka Derren Brown now is he ?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I think the best thing Andre Brooks can do for his career right now is own our right-hand side with his mate Seriki. If those two can keep up recent performance levels, they will be formidable next season. They clearly bring the best out in each other and have a very good understanding on the pitch.

I was going to post something similar earlier this week. For their footballing careers both Seriki and Brooks could do a lot worse than either sit on their contracts, or look to sign new deals with non-promotion release clauses and look to play consistently throughout the season ripping the league up as they go.
It would heighten their profile, meaning they will move to a PL team (if they have the option to leave) with a much higher profile, which would also help with salary demands. It really is win/win should they want it.
Alternatively they can both make it clear that they're not signing new deals and push for a move this summer which would force our hand somewhat if they actively want out, even though they've a couple of years left on their contract, we're only going to lose money by keeping them.

 

[Badger Blade]

If I HAD to lose one of Brooks, Seriki or Peck then Brooks would be the one I'd opt for, despite the fact he keeps getting better by the week.

If he does go, then we'd better hold out for more than we'd have done in the past.
£1m and a cone of chips and mayo would have done for McCabe but not so now.

While there's European football at Brugge, its like running the Grand National on a 500-1 shot, nice to say you've done it but needn't have bothered.

 

[jt64]

If I HAD to lose one of Brooks, Seriki or Peck then Brooks would be the one I'd opt for, despite the fact he keeps getting better by the week.

If he does go, then we'd better hold out for more than we'd have done in the past.
£1m and a cone of chips and mayo would have done for McCabe but not so now.

While there's European football at Brugge, its like running the Grand National on a 500-1 shot, nice to say you've done it but needn't have bothered.

Meh, if it was a choice between a team that will play one of Atleti or Juve and is nearly a lock to get into a competition (as a minimum) that has been recently won by those continental luminaries Olympiacos and West Ham next season, or stopping around for trips to Swansea etc, I know what I'd be doing

 

[ancientblade]

brooks has improved over the last few weeks but hes by no means the finished article yet i think if a really good offer comes in for him we may sell

 

[S64 Blade]

brooks has improved over the last few weeks but hes by no means the finished article yet i think if a really good offer comes in for him we may sell

Out of interest, which player do we have who is the finished article ?

 

[Tarqs]

Out of the 3 mentioned (seriki, brooks, peck), I think Peck is the one thats easiest to replace personally.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Is there legs in the rumours about the Barnsley lad?