And it's man of the match

[BobblesBlade]

Probably because these sorts of issues don't effect you.

I find women moaning about periods and the menopause silly, because I've got no clue what it's like and I never will. I've never cared enough to read up on it.

However, because of all that, I shut my gob about it because I know fuck all. Hearing people whinge about topics they've never thought about critically is dull.

If you don't understand, don't care enough to listen to people that do, AND it doesn't effect you, why pipe up?

Yeah I agree with the sentiment.

Your last line though gives another reason why I get fed up of this crap.

How do you know I don’t care or understand. I guess my viewpoint shouldn’t be put forward if it doesn’t fit the narrative.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Yeah I agree with the sentiment.

Your last line though gives another reason why I get fed up of this crap.

How do you know I don’t care or understand. I guess my viewpoint shouldn’t be put forward if it doesn’t fit the narrative.

I assumed you don't care or understand because your opinion is fairly ignorant of what the people that are bothered about this stuff usually argue.

Could be wrong.

Nobody has said owt about it fitting the narrative or not, some of these topics are very gray. I normally choose not to give my opinion when I know it's uninformed and potentially offensive, but everyone is allowed.

 

[alcoblade]

I assumed you don't care or understand because your opinion is fairly ignorant of what the people that are bothered about this stuff usually argue.

Could be wrong.

Nobody has said owt about it fitting the narrative or not, some of these topics are very gray. I normally choose not to give my opinion when I know it's uninformed and potentially offensive, but everyone is allowed.

Can you educate me then - is this move to include players who are eligible to play in the men’s game, but don’t identify as a man?

 

[AWetFlannel]

Can you educate me then - is this move to include players who are eligible to play in the men’s game, but don’t identify as a man?

Yeah I assume so.

Possibly also to make a more universal footballing language that can span the men's and women's game? Remove the clunky "man mark her!" stuff.

 

[alcoblade]

Yeah I assume so.

Possibly also to make a more universal footballing language that can span the men's and women's game? Remove the clunky "man mark her!" stuff.

But it’s men’s football - I’m not picking a fight, I just simply don’t understand. At the top of the deception tree we’ve got men’s and women’s football. It would make some sense (yes I’d be outraged) to pick on that, rather than a non descriptive trophy.

None it really matters - that’s the problem - it’s death by a thousand cuts where the argument is won by certain types ( and public acceptability) on social media, whilst you barely ever bump into people in the real world that agree with any of this.

 

[AWetFlannel]

But it’s men’s football - I’m not picking a fight, I just simply don’t understand. At the top of the deception tree we’ve got Mens and wines football. It would make some sense (yes I’d be outraged) to pick in that, rather than a non descriptive triphy.

None it really matters - that’s the problem - it’s death by a thousand cuts where the argument is won by certain types ( and acceptability) on social media, whilst you barely ever bump into people in the real work that agree with any of this.

If Ndiaye came out as gender neutral tomorrow, I'd still want him playing for us. What he feels about his gender shouldn't matter.

Our options are to change it, keep it as MOTM but change it when the player is gender neutral (let's hope the broadcaster is aware), or keep it as MOTM regardless and needlessly offend the player. Option A seems easiest, even if the change is slightly grating at first.

 

[BarcaBlade]

But it’s men’s football - I’m not picking a fight, I just simply don’t understand. At the top of the deception tree we’ve got men’s and women’s football. It would make some sense (yes I’d be outraged) to pick on that, rather than a non descriptive trophy.

None it really matters - that’s the problem - it’s death by a thousand cuts where the argument is won by certain types ( and public acceptability) on social media, whilst you barely ever bump into people in the real world that agree with any of this.

You mean this isn't the real world?

 

[SUFC Guy]

It's not player of the match its man of the match , it's always been man of the match as it's a game played by 22 men , u can have woman of the match in women's football no one will be offended because no one cares anyway, but they can use player of the match if they choose , but there is absolutely no reason to call it player of the match

What will be next a booking and a diversity course for shouting "man on" will we switch to "person to person" marking at set pieces,

It's becoming ridiculous

Don't know if this has already be mentioned?

No bullshit, the other week, I heard one commentator say 'Ball retriever' instead of ball boy

 

[Geordie Blade]

None it really matters - that’s the problem - it’s death by a thousand cuts where the argument is won by certain types ( and public acceptability) on social media, whilst you barely ever bump into people in the real world that agree with any of this.

You don’t ever bump into people who believe this stuff. Perhaps this is because:

1. You live in an echo chamber, surrounded by people who have the same view as you. Or:
2. People feel unable to open up around you because they know how you would react.

 

[Chunkey]

What is ridiculous is taking any sort of offence that a term has been changed to be more inclusive.

What harm does it do to your life that it is now ‘player of the match’ other than it didn’t used to be like that?

 

[alcoblade]

You don’t ever bump into people who believe this stuff. Perhaps this is because:

1. You live in an echo chamber, surrounded by people who have the same view as you. Or:
2. People feel unable to open up around you because they know how you would react.

Yes, it could well be. Or it could be that people who really think like this are actually a bit weird.

As a bit of a statistician, I’m happy to believe it’s the latter.

 

[Brian Deane]

BBC gave Haaland MAN of the match.

Despite his obvious talents he does come across as a pouting blow up doll from the 80's and the less said about his stupid fecking hair.

 

[Geordie Blade]

You don’t ever bump into people who believe this stuff. Perhaps this is because:

1. You live in an echo chamber, surrounded by people who have the same view as you. Or:
2. People feel unable to open up around you because they know how you would react.

Yes, it could well be. Or it could be that people who really think like this are actually a bit weird.

Pretty much rubber stamping option 2, there.

 

[GodricBlade]

Thinking back to when I played footy (80’s & 90’s) we used to vote for Man of the Match each game.
Then, at the end of the season, voted for Players Player of the Season who got a shitty plastic trophy along with the Player of the Season & the Most Improved Player.
I think the professional football world copied what I encountered at Crosspool Juniors & maintain that sort of tradition to this day.

Not 100% sure what my point is here…..
Maybe that it’s no big deal either way what term is used as both are part of football tradition?
I do prefer Man of the Match though. Also still call ‘em Linesman, Groundsman, Kit-man etc.
Tradition, see. Hard to change though not impossible - I do call it a Snickers now.

 

[Punk Blade]

Firstly, we don’t know that no player identifies as a woman. Across 92 teams (and more if we count non-league), each with a squad of ~25, it’s quite possible that at least one person might not identify as a man. They might feel unable to say anything about ‘MOTM’, especially if they see the type of response seen on this thread.

Second, if someone born as a man identifies as a woman later in life, they can’t just choose to play for a women’s team. They wouldn’t qualify. I’m aware that some people will say “That’s the point”, but it isn’t: the point is that they don’t want to be called a ‘man’ but should still be able to play football.

Thirdly, it’s not just identifying as a woman. Some people don’t want to identify as a man or a woman. This is their choice and doesn’t really affect other people. You don’t necessarily need to understand why they feel like that, but it’s maybe a good idea to accept that some people have different thoughts and emotions to you.

Nobody is making you say ‘person of the match’ or ‘person on’. Some other people have chosen to use that phrase to be more inclusive, and that’s fine. Personally, I’ll keep saying ‘man on’ when I’m playing, and I’ll ask my dad who his man of the match was after a United game. But I’m not going to worry if someone else chooses to say ‘person of the match’, especially if it does help someone somewhere feel more included.

Couldn’t have put it any better, Geordie.

Just so everyone knows it’s my opinion that there’s man/male and woman/ female nothing else fucking exists.

That isn’t an opinion, that’s factually incorrect.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

I'm struggling with the He/She/Them stuff - as them is plural.

Happy with Player of the match though. Godric makes a good point, it's Player of the Season, Players Player if the season, Most improved player etc. When you look at it like this, MOM seems out of sync.

 

[biggiesablade]

I'm struggling with the He/She/Them stuff - as them is plural.

Happy with Player of the match though. Godric makes a good point, it's Player of the Season, Players Player if the season, Most improved player etc. When you look at it like this, MOM seems out of sync.

People want to call themselves 'them' because they identify as some sort of third gender or summit. Punk Blade what's factually incorrect about there being two genders?

 

[AWetFlannel]

I'm struggling with the He/She/Them stuff - as them is plural.

Happy with Player of the match though. Godric makes a good point, it's Player of the Season, Players Player if the season, Most improved player etc. When you look at it like this, MOM seems out of sync.

Struggling is fine, who doesn't struggle to adapt to new language?

It's when people get defensive that problems arise. "What, you're telling me I'm a bigot for saying something I've been saying all my life? Fuck you then wokeflakes, I refuse to bow to your oppressive speech dictats."

Nobody can be expected to be permanently up to date with language as it changes. It's the desire some people have to fight against it I find strange, as if language hasn't changed for thousands of years.

It has always changed, often for next to no reason. Nobody gave a fuck. Now people want to change a few things to make some people feel less excluded and a bit more comfortable and people kick off.

 

[alcoblade]

Pretty much rubber stamping option 2, there.

Fair enough. You’d already confirmed my theory fella (I mean they / them, sorry).

 

[AWetFlannel]

People want to call themselves 'them' because they identify as some sort of third gender or summit. Punk Blade what's factually incorrect about there being two genders?

Gender is a social construct, it doesn't always fit together neatly with your biological sex. Therefore, people can feel like the opposite gender to their sex, or feel like they fit neither.

 

[biggiesablade]

Gender is a social construct, it doesn't always fit together neatly with your biological sex. Therefore, people can feel like the opposite gender to their sex, or feel like they fit neither.

I get that gender roles are a social construct but the bare bones are quite simple aren't they? You put it quite well, people can 'feel' like the opposite but the facts stay the same.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Fair enough. You’d already confirmed my theory fella (I mean they / them, sorry).

My mum is weird, she hates all noise and constantly thinks everyone is being loud when they speak.

I've told her she's a bit off, she knows it's true, where do we go from there? Rather than just fucking her off and telling her to deal with it, I try to be quieter.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

It's not player of the match its man of the match , it's always been man of the match as it's a game played by 22 men , u can have woman of the match in women's football no one will be offended because no one cares anyway, but they can use player of the match if they choose , but there is absolutely no reason to call it player of the match

What will be next a booking and a diversity course for shouting "man on" will we switch to "person to person" marking at set pieces,

It's becoming ridiculous

Snowflake

 

[AWetFlannel]

I get that gender roles are a social construct but the bare bones are quite simple aren't they? You put it quite well, people can 'feel' like the opposite but the facts stay the same.

The facts stay the same, aye. Your gender is what you feel it is, so if you feel it is neither, it is neither. That doesn't change how you look or your chemical makeup, but nobody has argued that.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

It’s non binary washing machine of the match to all you gammons on this forum

 

[biggiesablade]

The facts stay the same, aye. Your gender is what you feel it is, so if you feel it is neither, it is neither. That doesn't change how you look or your chemical makeup, but nobody has argued that.

Someone said people are men or women and was told its factually incorrect just wanted to know how it's a fact.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Someone said people are men or women and was told its factually incorrect just wanted to know how it's a fact.

They were talking about gender. You’re talking about biological sex.

 

[alcoblade]

My mum is weird, she hates all noise and constantly thinks everyone is being loud when they speak.

I've told her she's a bit off, she knows it's true, where do we go from there? Rather than just fucking her off and telling her to deal with it, I try to be quieter.

There’s nothing wrong (in most cases) with being a bit weird, either.

I’ve got a few mates white really weird.

 

[biggiesablade]

They were talking about gender. You’re talking about biological sex.

I don't understand the difference between the two. Is one what you are and the other what you feel you should be? Is my sex male or my gender or both?

 

[Punk Blade]

People want to call themselves 'them' because they identify as some sort of third gender or summit. Punk Blade what's factually incorrect about there being two genders?

There are many genders and gender identities, and some people don’t have one at all.