An absolute clusterf***

[I should coco]

Most players are someones 'reject' though.

Patrick Bamford- Forest.

Sydie Peck - Arsenal.

Sydie Peck spent over 11 years in Arsenal's youth system.

• Peck and his family realized that breaking into Arsenal's senior midfield was incredibly difficult. He looked for a club with a stronger track record of promoting young academy players to the first team. [1]

Etic Cantona - The massive Sheffield Wednesday

 

[54yrblade]

Yes.

Like I've said all along and I'll say again for the hard of thinking - Hull won the play offs with a spine of Egan ( we let go as we thought he was over the hill), Slater ( we let go as we thought he was shit), Lundstram (most of our fan base think is a lazy cunt) and McBurnie (who most of our fan base think is shit). Riddle me that one...

Looking at that Initial XI through that prism, then yes, I think we will be competitive at the top end of the league.

It's unfashionable, as it's the underlying narrative round these parts to bash Wilder, the owners, the players - but if you take a step back, and assess dispassionately, then we have a very strong starting XI for this division. We won't have anything like the physical tools to finish top 4, but I'd back that XI to be top 6-8 every season...

Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to look cool and appear edgy....

I don't want to appear cool and edgy but our manager lost his nerve after our first PL relegation, that he avoided by leaving us to it, has killed the atmosphere in the ground, plays awful football, his 'style' blew our last potential promotion, lives on his past, years ago, glories and is only here because our owners needed to save face with the supporters

Unless something changes dramatically, next season is more of the same with less money, everyone a year older and no club ability to change it up

Hope that helps

 

[Kona]

Yes.

Like I've said all along and I'll say again for the hard of thinking - Hull won the play offs with a spine of Egan ( we let go as we thought he was over the hill), Slater ( we let go as we thought he was shit), Lundstram (most of our fan base think is a lazy cunt) and McBurnie (who most of our fan base think is shit). Riddle me that one...

Looking at that Initial XI through that prism, then yes, I think we will be competitive at the top end of the league.

It's unfashionable, as it's the underlying narrative round these parts to bash Wilder, the owners, the players - but if you take a step back, and assess dispassionately, then we have a very strong starting XI for this division. We won't have anything like the physical tools to finish top 4, but I'd back that XI to be top 6-8 every season...

Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to look cool and appear edgy....

Or they just have a different opinion to you?

On paper, I get your point. There should be enough quality and experience in the side to make us competitive.

The flip side of the argument is the style of play, tactics, fitness levels, culture and roles the players are being asked to play. Is it going to get best out of them? Are they going to play as an effective and cohesive team?

The whole is great than the sum of its parts… and all that.

We won’t know until the season gets underway, but last season we were out thought and out played by teams with less quality than we had.

So, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for some of us to have concerns about the team for the coming season.

 

[Kenilworth]

I don't want to appear cool and edgy but our manager lost his nerve after our first PL relegation, that he avoided by leaving us to it, has killed the atmosphere in the ground, plays awful football, his 'style' blew our last potential promotion, lives on his past, years ago, glories and is only here because our owners needed to save face with the supporters

Unless something changes dramatically, next season is more of the same with less money, everyone a year older and no club ability to change it up

Hope that helps

Only here because the owners oy wanted to save face? Really?
They’d undoubtedly made it FUBAR with the appointment of Selles, and very few clubs survive that sort of start. I’m sure others will disagree but I don’t think it would have turned around with anyone else. Gary Rowett, for example. Didn’t stop Oxford going down nor did he improve Leicester.
It’s not as easy as it might appear.

 

[54yrblade]

Only here because the owners oy wanted to save face? Really?
They’d undoubtedly made it FUBAR with the appointment of Selles, and very few clubs survive that sort of start. I’m sure others will disagree but I don’t think it would have turned around with anyone else. Gary Rowett, for example. Didn’t stop Oxford going down nor did he improve Leicester.
It’s not as easy as it might appear.

The removal of knilly has gone down like a lead balloon. Just another bad decision that is impacting still.

Then, let's see if CW and company have addressed the woeful fitness levels. Current evidence suggests not.

An interesting and difficult season ahead.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Just want a young, eccentric billionaire owner, with a heart of gold. Is that too much to ask for?

Sounds a bit Katie Price-ish, that mate…

 

[The Crab]

I get that there is some quality and experience at the club (although I’m unsure with some of the players).

But IdLiketoRogerMoore as you will know mate, any group of people whether it’s a football team or in the workplace, need to be managed effectively, prepared effectively, in order to achieve its goals.

That’s not meant as a specific dig at Wilder, it’s more aimed at how the wider club is run.

 

[I should coco]

I don't want to appear cool and edgy but our manager lost his nerve after our first PL relegation, that he avoided by leaving us to it, has killed the atmosphere in the ground, plays awful football, his 'style' blew our last potential promotion, lives on his past, years ago, glories and is only here because our owners needed to save face with the supporters

Unless something changes dramatically, next season is more of the same with less money, everyone a year older and no club ability to change it up

Hope that helps

Not so much 'cool and edgy', as another tedious Wilder rant.
As I see it, pretty much everything bad that has happened to us in recent years, is his fault, according to some on here.

 

[The Crab]

The removal of knilly has gone down like a lead balloon. Just another bad decision that is impacting still.

Then, let's see if CW and company have addressed the woeful fitness levels. Current evidence suggests not.

An interesting and difficult season ahead.

I’m actually of the view that replacing Knilly (as much as I like him) is part of a wider refresh that is needed

 

[54yrblade]

I’m actually of the view that replacing Knilly (as much as I like him) is part of a wider refresh that is needed

He's been treated dreadfully. There's ways to deal with good people
He deserved better

 

[The Crab]

He's been treated dreadfully. There's ways to deal with good people
He deserved better

Oh I agree with that part. There are ways and means. This wasn’t that

 

[TJ blade]

I don't want to appear cool and edgy but our manager lost his nerve after our first PL relegation, that he avoided by leaving us to it, has killed the atmosphere in the ground, plays awful football, his 'style' blew our last potential promotion, lives on his past, years ago, glories and is only here because our owners needed to save face with the supporters

Unless something changes dramatically, next season is more of the same with less money, everyone a year older and no club ability to change it up

Hope that helps

Depressing but true sadly

 

[54yrblade]

Only here because the owners oy wanted to save face? Really?
They’d undoubtedly made it FUBAR with the appointment of Selles, and very few clubs survive that sort of start. I’m sure others will disagree but I don’t think it would have turned around with anyone else. Gary Rowett, for example. Didn’t stop Oxford going down nor did he improve Leicester.
It’s not as easy as it might appear.

Yes, really. Then Rosen finally made a public appearance to say how awfully sorry they were at having sacked him, but realised they made a mistake so brought him back.
CW gives them top cover

And mentioned Billy in there for good measure.

The owners might be quiet but they know how to play some of the fan base

It's business.

 

[dn5 shaun]

Why would it be embarrassing ?

He was a embarrassment 2nd time

 

[Jim Mcdonald]

Be careful about using your critical thinking skills around football fans, you may get called a ‘pig’ or ‘pork’ so you might.

 

[I should coco]

Be careful about using your critical thinking skills around football fans, you may get called a ‘pig’ or ‘pork’ so you might.

You're a TV repair man, who likes a pint and a bit too ready with his fists; so you are. Your wife looks like a horse ('what's going on') and your lads were tearaways.

I'm not sure your critical thinking is up there with Socrates or Descartes.

 

[bartman]

He was a embarrassment 2nd time

Wilder was more embarrassing with his behavior at Plymouth at his 2nd half tactics(or lack of) in the play off final. You could argue taking him back for a third tine was even more embarrassing

 

[ATL Recs]

Only here because the owners oy wanted to save face? Really?
They’d undoubtedly made it FUBAR with the appointment of Selles, and very few clubs survive that sort of start. I’m sure others will disagree but I don’t think it would have turned around with anyone else. Gary Rowett, for example. Didn’t stop Oxford going down nor did he improve Leicester.
It’s not as easy as it might appear.

Many clubs have recovered with similar starts Leicester were top half while we lost 6 on the trot - Palace scored 1 lost 5 finished mid table in PL Forest even Southampton who were only a point in front of us around game 10
The owners Vision was a good one the delivery was shocking
Wilder had the audacity to blame fitness on the preseason yet his team that finished third in the previous season were knackered after an hour and it came back to bite us in the run in
Wilder talks the talk but sadly isn’t able to walk the walk those days are cherished memories now

 

[54yrblade]

Many clubs have recovered with similar starts Leicester were top half while we lost 6 on the trot - Palace scored 1 lost 5 finished mid table in PL Forest even Southampton who were only a point in front of us around game 10
The owners Vision was a good one the delivery was shocking
Wilder had the audacity to blame fitness on the preseason yet his team that finished third in the previous season were knackered after an hour and it came back to bite us in the run in
Wilder talks the talk but sadly isn’t able to walk the walk those days are cherished memories now

100% this!

The truth of where we are.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

You're a TV repair man, who likes a pint and a bit too ready with his fists; so you are. Your wife looks like a horse ('what's going on') and your lads were tearaways.

I'm not sure your critical thinking is up there with Socrates or Descartes.

Nah, Liz is more leopard or possibly zebra....

 

[Blade In Flame]

And people wonder why I don't go to games anymore. Is there a more dysfunctional fanbase than our own at the moment? If someone had told me in the 1990's that our fans would fall to this level in just 30 years, I would have laughed in their face. Even in the early to late 2000's it would have been laughable.

 

[Blade In Flame]

Nah, Liz is more leopard or possibly zebra....View attachment 240112

She looks more like the Cowardly Lion with botox in that pic. "Puddem uppp, puddem uppppppp.."

 

[Kenilworth]

Yes, really. Then Rosen finally made a public appearance to say how awfully sorry they were at having sacked him, but realised they made a mistake so brought him back.
CW gives them top cover

And mentioned Billy in there for good measure.

The owners might be quiet but they know how to play some of the fan base

It's business.

I’d suggest they are naive and clueless when it comes to a non US, non franchise, sporting proposition. They are absent almost all the season. They fiddle from afar without any understanding of their market because their arrogance precedes them.

 

[247Blade]

Yes, really. Then Rosen finally made a public appearance to say how awfully sorry they were at having sacked him, but realised they made a mistake so brought him back.
CW gives them top cover

And mentioned Billy in there for good measure.

The owners might be quiet but they know how to play some of the fan base

It's business.

Words meant nothing ... looked more like a link man in a comedy club!

 

[Tom Bott]

Wilder was more embarrassing with his behavior at Plymouth at his 2nd half tactics(or lack of) in the play off final. You could argue taking him back for a third tine was even more embarrassing

Really embarrassing would be to bring back Selles to give him 'the time he deserved'.
He did well after leaving us, lasted 17 weeks at Zaragoza winning 5 games, modern, front foot, vertical football.

 

[54yrblade]

Words meant nothing ... looked more like a link man in a comedy club!

Those present sucked it up. Embarrassing.

 

[I should coco]

Many clubs have recovered with similar starts Leicester were top half while we lost 6 on the trot - Palace scored 1 lost 5 finished mid table in PL Forest even Southampton who were only a point in front of us around game 10
The owners Vision was a good one the delivery was shocking
Wilder had the audacity to blame fitness on the preseason yet his team that finished third in the previous season were knackered after an hour and it came back to bite us in the run in
Wilder talks the talk but sadly isn’t able to walk the walk those days are cherished memories now

I'll bite.

Name me a Chamopionship club with no points after 6 games, that went on to get 60 pomts.

No rush,

 

[Champagneblade]

The problem is though we aren't being linked with any players.
Dobbin we seem out of that race for what ever reason.
Coleman a 38 year old still deciding if to even carry on playing.
Sykes gone somewhere else.
Those rumours have been around a few weeks, and while I accept we might have not been actually interested in any off them, there dosent seem to be any fresh rumours. Add in the fact of the non payment of the agreed sale price you can see why people are worried especially when you factor in the sale of Brooks and the pending sale of Peck and possibly Hamer at the very least.

We kick off the league campaign on 15th August. That’s 5 weeks away. Al decent players will be in training and building up fitness.

No need to rush and end up with an average bunch.

Man United are sorting out their midfield. Once done, probably a few players come available to a Fulham, when they’re done, a Hull, then the Championship teams. It’s the same each year.

I’m only worried if we have big gaps mid August. Not being linked to too many mid July isn’t much to worry about IMHO.

 

[RylandBlade]

Other worry is what's it going to look like if/when we don't get promoted this season? If they can't afford to pay/run the club now

 

[Dkc]

Riedeweld and Rothwell scare the living daylights out of me.
In the words of Clinton Baptiste
I’m getting the word Relegation.

In his 25-odd years in management Wilder has never come close to getting a team relegated in the EFL. Normally his teams are in the promotion mix or at worst comfortable mid-table.

I'd be more worried about relegation if we had a different manager.