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Alleged Racist Chanting - BBC Radio Sheffield
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Now that would be worth listening to. Radio Pig's favourite caller, on top of being a convicted armed robber, is a member of the EDL. He's even had his photograph taken with Tommy Robinson.
It's in the media, so of course Radio Sheffield will make a meal of it but that suggestion on who hosts it is top drawer.
Are you sure the photograph taken was with Tommy Robinson and not Rony Robinson bearing in mind Pitsmoor is radio pig favourite caller.
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To be fair to Rony, he has far too much class to associate himself with that tosser.Are you sure the photograph taken was with Tommy Robinson and not Rony Robinson bearing in mind Pitsmoor is radio pig favourite caller.
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BornOnShorehamStreet
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From another board
"I heard nothing, but I know a Bradford fan who went, and he said he heard 'you're just a town full of (the abbreviated name for Pakistanis)' sang a couple of times"
Wrong either way
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Bullshit, it was inaudible from the Kop never mind the Bramall Lane End where presumably the Bradford fan was sat. The word Paki would be very easy to pick out but it was not used.
Worksop II
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I dont think you get to be Judge and Jury about who takes part
Win the argument .....................
HillmortonBlade
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William Henry Foulkes does have the right to speak up when he believes a post is out of order though (not defending, rather I am supporting him)
BornOnShorehamStreet
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Oh well, the Almighty Bert has spoken so he must be right and everybody else must be wrong.
Anyway, I don't think this is the real Bert, he no longer speaks in the third person
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I hope no one sings Shoreham boys today.
The phrase 'Shagging your women' is sexist and homophobic and should be changed to
'Having consensual loving sexual relations with persons of either gender or transgender', or I shall be putting in a complaint.
The phrase 'Shagging your women' is sexist and homophobic and should be changed to
'Having consensual loving sexual relations with persons of either gender or transgender', or I shall be putting in a complaint.
yorkshirecoast
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The majority - on here and elsewhere - agree with Bert that the chant was about ISIS and not Pakis. I was there and have do doubt it was ISIS.Oh well, the Almighty Bert has spoken so he must be right and everybody else must be wrong.
Anyway, I don't think this is the real Bert, he no longer speaks in the third person
I am sure some of our 'fans' are wetting themselves at the prospect of someone singing something remotely controversial at today's match so they can go running to RS, the FA, the Star et al to express their horror.
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Oh well, the Almighty Bert has spoken so he must be right and everybody else must be wrong.
Anyway, I don't think this is the real Bert, he no longer speaks in the third person
Hands up everybody else who heard the word Pakis........ make yourself known.
Bert will be very disappointed if the Peterborough fans don't sing "You're just a town full of racists" to us today.
Elsecar_Blade
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My goodness, this is blowing up nicely isn't it?
Chinese whispers is at work - we've got from actuality (no more than 30 singing "Town Full of ISIS" once) to a few hundred to use of the word "P**i" to monkey chants (ill advised comment, Mark Lawn).
Fire is being fueled by people with agendas against our club. The BCAFC chairman - whose side were battered 3-1 by a team that tried to poach his manager last summer and then decided they had better options - slings mud ... and it sticks.
Leaving aside whether the song is racist or not, the media reports are disgraceful. They're all using one supporter's comments to smear the club but not one of them is using the comments of many other supporters highlighting what they heard from much closer to the actual event. I can expect it from national media with no allegiance to SUFC at all but The Star and Radio Sheffield are appalling. As media outlets that should - whilst reporting both sides - have an affinity with our club in some way, do they not have a duty to report the other side? The fact that 99.9% of Blades did not join in with the chant. That many Blades in the area told the morons to STFU pretty sharpish. That the chant did not occur a second time. Every football club has mindless morons; in the area we live, it stands to reason that we have some EDL - maybe BNP - supporters attending SUFC games who would think nothing of chanting this. The fact that The Star - whose report is forming the base of most of the rest of the national media's reports - and Radio Sheffield are not covering both sides of this and highlighting the positive actions of the vast majority sickens me. We had this last year with the club's "flirtation" with re-signing Ched Evans and it seems as if The Star and Radio Sheffield prefer to jump on the bandwagon rather than report the facts about our fanbase and fairly defend the very people who buy/use their product.
The chant was stupid and most Blades know that, agree with that and some that were close enough put a stop to it. Because of morons (who quite frankly, should be banned, we don't need them in our fanbase), our name is being dragged through the mud again. Apparently, we're all racist rape apologists now.
I also have to say - and I don't particularly like being critical of the club but I will here - that SUFC need to accentuate the positive aspect of the vast majority of our fans too. We can release a statement about alleged racist chanting and say we're looking into it. Why not release a statement about the "alleged" actions of the vast majority of Blades fans? Defend the supporters who didn't join in with the chant and show that it was the work of a few mindless idiots. "Contrary to reports in the local and national media, Sheffield United Football Club recognises that many supporters who were sat in the immediate vicinity of the chants on the Kop inform us that many Blades took actions to stop the chants and the vast majority did not join in. According to these fans, the chant was only heard once and was not repeated despite what some media reports have alluded. Also, supporters sat in the South Stand report that there were no chants of this nature heard in this area of the ground. Whilst Sheffield United Football Club continues to take the matter seriously and is taking steps to identify and punish any wrongdoers, we would like to defend the vast majority of Sheffield United supporters who deplore this kind of action." It's easy.
Up the Blades.
Chinese whispers is at work - we've got from actuality (no more than 30 singing "Town Full of ISIS" once) to a few hundred to use of the word "P**i" to monkey chants (ill advised comment, Mark Lawn).
Fire is being fueled by people with agendas against our club. The BCAFC chairman - whose side were battered 3-1 by a team that tried to poach his manager last summer and then decided they had better options - slings mud ... and it sticks.
Leaving aside whether the song is racist or not, the media reports are disgraceful. They're all using one supporter's comments to smear the club but not one of them is using the comments of many other supporters highlighting what they heard from much closer to the actual event. I can expect it from national media with no allegiance to SUFC at all but The Star and Radio Sheffield are appalling. As media outlets that should - whilst reporting both sides - have an affinity with our club in some way, do they not have a duty to report the other side? The fact that 99.9% of Blades did not join in with the chant. That many Blades in the area told the morons to STFU pretty sharpish. That the chant did not occur a second time. Every football club has mindless morons; in the area we live, it stands to reason that we have some EDL - maybe BNP - supporters attending SUFC games who would think nothing of chanting this. The fact that The Star - whose report is forming the base of most of the rest of the national media's reports - and Radio Sheffield are not covering both sides of this and highlighting the positive actions of the vast majority sickens me. We had this last year with the club's "flirtation" with re-signing Ched Evans and it seems as if The Star and Radio Sheffield prefer to jump on the bandwagon rather than report the facts about our fanbase and fairly defend the very people who buy/use their product.
The chant was stupid and most Blades know that, agree with that and some that were close enough put a stop to it. Because of morons (who quite frankly, should be banned, we don't need them in our fanbase), our name is being dragged through the mud again. Apparently, we're all racist rape apologists now.
I also have to say - and I don't particularly like being critical of the club but I will here - that SUFC need to accentuate the positive aspect of the vast majority of our fans too. We can release a statement about alleged racist chanting and say we're looking into it. Why not release a statement about the "alleged" actions of the vast majority of Blades fans? Defend the supporters who didn't join in with the chant and show that it was the work of a few mindless idiots. "Contrary to reports in the local and national media, Sheffield United Football Club recognises that many supporters who were sat in the immediate vicinity of the chants on the Kop inform us that many Blades took actions to stop the chants and the vast majority did not join in. According to these fans, the chant was only heard once and was not repeated despite what some media reports have alluded. Also, supporters sat in the South Stand report that there were no chants of this nature heard in this area of the ground. Whilst Sheffield United Football Club continues to take the matter seriously and is taking steps to identify and punish any wrongdoers, we would like to defend the vast majority of Sheffield United supporters who deplore this kind of action." It's easy.
Up the Blades.
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Where has it been reported that we made monkey chants? I've only seen the comments from the Bradford chairman where he didn't say we made them.
I've not seen it reported that we did.
As for Berts request, I saw one fan say he heard Paki sung in another thread and Bert said he was wrong. Basically if Bert didn't hear it it can't have happened. Why United fans would say they heard it when they didn't is beyond me, and I've certainly heard it shouted before at The Lane.
I've not seen it reported that we did.
As for Berts request, I saw one fan say he heard Paki sung in another thread and Bert said he was wrong. Basically if Bert didn't hear it it can't have happened. Why United fans would say they heard it when they didn't is beyond me, and I've certainly heard it shouted before at The Lane.
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Not entirely, Wombwell. What we're seeing here is the post-Facebook and Twitter inevitability of people seeking their 15 minutes of fame. They're people who express faux outrage on somebody else's behalf where no such outrage exists. They think they've got a free pass to opine their 'modernistic' viewpoints because, after all, if you don't agree with them on this or any other subject, well you're a racist ain'tya? They will defend to the death their 'right' to howl down anybody who doesn't go along with their extremely narrow agenda.
So what's that got to do with 'Paki-gate'? Well, who has actually complained to justify this outpouring of bile from the usual media suspects? Has anybody of Pakistani origin? Not that I'm aware of. Any Bradford fans? Nope. What about the Bradford players? Zilch. So that leaves the Bradford chairman. As far as I've heard, he wasn't even at the match but even if he was he can join the Gang of Two along with that bloke in the South Stand whose hearing could apparently pick up a dog whistle...
So, in the total lack of any evidence we can only hope this will die down quickly. Radio Sheffield will keep the pot boiling if only as a 'filler story' between their endless interviews with Carvahal. We can only hope that Jean fucking Hatchett-face doesn't start a petition...
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Christ! The contortions some will get into so as not to condemn the bellends who did the chanting & brought this latest ton of shit on the club!
#alwayssomeoneelsesfault
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Was it a racist chant or was it just that some guy was offended by the use of the word ISIS?
What was the reasoning behind that the complaint?
Without the reasoning behind the complaint people will make their own judgment from their own perspective and they were probably not there (was the Bradford chairman there?). Then the view of what happened becomes something other than what actually happened.
Something simple becomes complex.
This may be slightly out of context .... however ..... it may be simple ....
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What was the reasoning behind that the complaint?
Without the reasoning behind the complaint people will make their own judgment from their own perspective and they were probably not there (was the Bradford chairman there?). Then the view of what happened becomes something other than what actually happened.
Something simple becomes complex.
This may be slightly out of context .... however ..... it may be simple ....
Dives for cover ....
super_pig
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but the beer part is ok??
irony is of course that everyone's comments about the Bradford fans in general have been very complimentary
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Was it a racist chant or was it just that some guy was offended by the use of the word ISIS?
What was the reasoning behind that the complaint?
Without the reasoning behind the complaint people will make their own judgment from their own perspective and they were probably not there (was the Bradford chairman there?). Then the view of what happened becomes something other than what actually happened.
Something simple becomes complex.
This may be slightly out of context .... however ..... it may be simple ....
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Someone verbally abuses your kids, let's say?
" 'I'm offended by that'? So fucking what"...
Really???
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Why would she, it has fuck all to do with Sexism or rape? As for the rest of your post, what a ridiculous whine about people wanting 5 minutes of fame. Do you really think this is the reason someone or some people reported it? I can accept they misheard ISIS thinking it to be Paki, I can accept they may be wrong in the eyes of some, but I cannot accept they are just doing it for 15 minutes of apparent fame. I also don't accept (as some have stated) they should be ashamed. If they reported it in an honest attempt to stamp out something most people think is unacceptable, then the club should investigate. If it turns out to be a non story then that should also be reported. It is more a case of some of the idiots on places like this defending these wankers that keeps the pot boiling than anything else.
What I cannot understand is I see 100+ posts of people blaming everyone else but very little in the way of substance saying the utter wankers that started this chant should never see the inside of Bramall Lane again. It's almost as if it is OK to be a little bit racist/sexist/homophobic (banter is the word I believe is used) from behind your keyboard, but of course no one is a right wing EDL sympathiser in the flesh.
bath_blade
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Wouldn't you have sound reasoning for taking offence in that instance? In which case there isn't a 'so what' as there is sound reasoning.
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Just to recap as I've read the entire thread,a few hundred south-standers are getting accused of racist chanting,when it was actually a small group on the kop,find em,deal with them and let's move on please
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William Henry Foulkes
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Was it a racist chant or was it just that some guy was offended by the use of the word ISIS?
What was the reasoning behind that the complaint?
Without the reasoning behind the complaint people will make their own judgment from their own perspective and they were probably not there (was the Bradford chairman there?). Then the view of what happened becomes something other than what actually happened.
Something simple becomes complex.
This may be slightly out of context .... however ..... it may be simple ....
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With all due respect to Mr Fry the sentiments in that quote are selective, discriminatory nonsense imo.
-Roman Cathlolicism is institutional child abuse
-I'm offended
-So what?
-The Nigerian wheelchair basketball team are a bunch of n***er cripples
-I'm offended
-So what?
I like Stephen Fry but I think he's wrong on this. Would he really say, So what? in the second case.
GreasyChipBeattie
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An Englishman, Scotsman and Irishman go into a bar......
What do you call a Scouser in a suit?.....
Whether it's the 'Stinky French', 'Loud mouthed Americans' or any other culturally different people group, there can be a p-taking element that is, in my opinion, an acceptable thing to do, and if we're honest, I suspect that same 'vast majority' that didn't get involved in the 'town full of Pakis' chant, have at some time had a laugh at the other type of piss taking mentioned above. If this type of 'humour' is not acceptable, then best tell those loud mouthed yanks to stop taking the p out of our crooked yellow teeth, or ask the Chinese to stop calling us big-noses.
Why do people avoid areas of Sheffield which are now 'full of Pakis' when considering where to live?
The short answer is that we are more comfortable living in our country with people of a similar culture ('our country' to contrast those Brits who integrate into other countries)
I have a great 'Paki friend' who runs our local Indian restaurant, I have a great American friend with who I have some great banter, and though I can't quite bring myself to associate with the French yet (yes, that was a joke), I really enjoy most cultural differences which I feel should be celebrated.
I happen to think that the 'You're just a town full of Pakis' chant is a piss take that is at a similar level to being called a big nose with crooked yellow teeth.
This is NOT a slur on the Pakistani culture. It is a simple recognition that most of us identify with our own culture and Bradfordians live in a city a little further removed from this than most other cities.
Let's be honest here, would you prefer to live where you are, or in the centre of another culture within this country, be it Pakistani, East European or whatever.
If you'd prefer to stay where you are, I don't think that necessarily makes you racist, just more comfortable living within your own culture.
What do you call a Scouser in a suit?.....
Whether it's the 'Stinky French', 'Loud mouthed Americans' or any other culturally different people group, there can be a p-taking element that is, in my opinion, an acceptable thing to do, and if we're honest, I suspect that same 'vast majority' that didn't get involved in the 'town full of Pakis' chant, have at some time had a laugh at the other type of piss taking mentioned above. If this type of 'humour' is not acceptable, then best tell those loud mouthed yanks to stop taking the p out of our crooked yellow teeth, or ask the Chinese to stop calling us big-noses.
Why do people avoid areas of Sheffield which are now 'full of Pakis' when considering where to live?
The short answer is that we are more comfortable living in our country with people of a similar culture ('our country' to contrast those Brits who integrate into other countries)
I have a great 'Paki friend' who runs our local Indian restaurant, I have a great American friend with who I have some great banter, and though I can't quite bring myself to associate with the French yet (yes, that was a joke), I really enjoy most cultural differences which I feel should be celebrated.
I happen to think that the 'You're just a town full of Pakis' chant is a piss take that is at a similar level to being called a big nose with crooked yellow teeth.
This is NOT a slur on the Pakistani culture. It is a simple recognition that most of us identify with our own culture and Bradfordians live in a city a little further removed from this than most other cities.
Let's be honest here, would you prefer to live where you are, or in the centre of another culture within this country, be it Pakistani, East European or whatever.
If you'd prefer to stay where you are, I don't think that necessarily makes you racist, just more comfortable living within your own culture.
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So the mixed-race guy who raised the complaint officially about the Paki/ISIS chants has a sound reasoning for taking offence, it's fair to admit?
Also fair to admit that plenty of those who totally disagree with the chants (i.e. the great majority - who who didn't take part in the chanting, some of whom took active steps to oppose it; these being people of all political persuasions & of no political bent at all) weren't against it because they were "offended" as such, just that they thought it wrong?
William Henry Foulkes
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It's not a contortion to say that guilt should be established, not assumed.
For me, it's not about the club, it's about common justice.
William Henry Foulkes
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Agree with a lot of that.
It's perfectly possible that the chant was started precisely bc those chanting were NOT racist. Maybe this is more likely if they are young as they'll integrate at school, say. Should people who reached a situation where they are comfortable with themselves, their mates, and their subculture then be condemned and even criminalised because people on the outside are offended?
It's also possible that those chanting were racist.
It's also possible that it was a mixture.
I don't see how it's at all reasonable to call this situation simple.
William Henry Foulkes
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I think the wording needs tweaking but it's a very positive proactive step.
I suspect there are bureaucratic procedures and precedents being followed behind the scenes which may limit what the club can do.
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So, a few morons sing a song because a place has a high Asian population and linking that with ISIS, so there shouldn't be a so what.
bath_blade
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Of course the quote is selective - and slightly out of context. But surely the underlying point is that the reasoning is what should be considered. If the chant was P... - then that is understood as racism. If the word ISIS was used, then was that racist or just extremely 'bad taste'?
What is the reasoning behind the complaint that was made? I would like to understand that.
I can also provide examples of where Stephen Fry's quote doesn't stand up .... I placed it in reference to this thread rather than intending any wider philosophical context.
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