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I’m sure this has been discussed elsewhere but was watching Phil brown on the championship highlights on channel 5 - he was quite complementary about us but mentioned we were still riding our momentum from last year (not in a dismissive way or anything) as if this was fact.

I’ve seen this referenced quite a lot in other places too. I’m quite sure that there is an element of momentum in our approach and we are clearly building off the team spirit developed last year...

However, I can’t help but feel this does us a disservice. After all We lost 2 of our first three games of the season and imo i don’t think it was until derby that we fully believed we had enough to take out prior seasons approach to teams and dictate things. We clearly worked to improve our approach and that took time rather than a promotion bounce - After that we’ve been the best side in every game imo and we’re unlucky to lose to forest and Norwich.
 



Bladeinleeds said:
I’m sure this has been discussed elsewhere but was watching Phil brown on the championship highlights on channel 5 - he was quite complementary about us but mentioned we were still riding our momentum from last year (not in a dismissive way or anything) as if this was fact.

I’ve seen this referenced quite a lot in other places too. I’m quite sure that there is an element of momentum in our approach and we are clearly building off the team spirit developed last year...

However, I can’t help but feel this does us a disservice. After all We lost 2 of our first three games of the season and imo i don’t think it was until derby that we fully believed we had enough to take out prior seasons approach to teams and dictate things. We clearly worked to improve our approach and that took time rather than a promotion bounce - After that we’ve been the best side in every game imo and we’re unlucky to lose to forest and Norwich.
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Said this yesterday BiL
If anything was going to destroy the momentum factor it was those first 2 defeats.
No, what happened was the same as happened after 3 out of 4 defeats last year.
We learned, we adapted and we pushed on with the rebuild.
 
I took the same from Phil Brown, it was as though he wasn’t willing to say we were a good team and put it all down to momentum then changed the subject and started talking about Bolton and Millwall.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
I’m sure this has been discussed elsewhere but was watching Phil brown on the championship highlights on channel 5 - he was quite complementary about us but mentioned we were still riding our momentum from last year (not in a dismissive way or anything) as if this was fact.

I’ve seen this referenced quite a lot in other places too. I’m quite sure that there is an element of momentum in our approach and we are clearly building off the team spirit developed last year...

However, I can’t help but feel this does us a disservice. After all We lost 2 of our first three games of the season and imo i don’t think it was until derby that we fully believed we had enough to take out prior seasons approach to teams and dictate things. We clearly worked to improve our approach and that took time rather than a promotion bounce - After that we’ve been the best side in every game imo and we’re unlucky to lose to forest and Norwich.
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Momemtum and Pashun!

It's a convenient way for the pigs to tell us and everyone else that these are the only two reasons why we are winning and that they can't wait for the bubble to burst

The reason we are winning is because we are a good side that plays on the front foot

Combine this with all the other attributes we have such as commitment, desire, organisation etc and in my opinion gives us a recipe for success

The pigs can't and won't accept it that currently we are better than their expensive bunch of average Joes
 
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I turn up, we win, I have a pint after. Safe in the knowledge that all the requisite factors for success are in place.

Anything can be analysed to death, but it's ultimately a pointless exercise. Talk is cheap, especially when it comes from external sources.
 
Momentum and skilful achievement aren't mutually exclusive, though. Would anyone really suggest we haven't got momentum at the moment ?

There's plenty irritating platitudes about SUFC out there in (pig) Ignorant Land. Let's not get too hung up on other peeps' use of the "momentum" thing.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
I’m sure this has been discussed elsewhere but was watching Phil brown on the championship highlights on channel 5 - he was quite complementary about us but mentioned we were still riding our momentum from last year (not in a dismissive way or anything) as if this was fact.

I’ve seen this referenced quite a lot in other places too. I’m quite sure that there is an element of momentum in our approach and we are clearly building off the team spirit developed last year...

However, I can’t help but feel this does us a disservice. After all We lost 2 of our first three games of the season and imo i don’t think it was until derby that we fully believed we had enough to take out prior seasons approach to teams and dictate things. We clearly worked to improve our approach and that took time rather than a promotion bounce - After that we’ve been the best side in every game imo and we’re unlucky to lose to forest and Norwich.
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Completely agree,
Momentum .......bollocks!,it doesn't exist.You are as good as your last game.
You might as well say the blades are winning games because of the buzz around the club.
If they mean momentum as in inertia well that only applies to physical processes.
Let the myth live on.....teams will continue to underestimate how good we are whilst pundits,mangers and fans alike
repeat parrot fashion pseudo realist, lazy,ignorant clap trap like 'they've got momentum'.
Wilder and his team want to win every game and are prepared from minute one to achieve thier aim.
 
Blade58 said:
Momemtum and Pashun!

It's a convenient way for the pigs to tell us and everyone else that these are the only two reasons why we are winning and that they can't wait for the bubble to burst

The reason we are winning is because we are a good side that plays on the front foot

Combine this with all the other attributes we have such as commitment, desire, organisation etc and in my opinion gives us a recipe for success

The pigs can't and won't accept it that currently we are better than their expensive bunch of average Joes
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Don’t forget this is now the most mediocre division for years. Well according to the pigs. All of a sudden.
 
Let people keep underestimating how good we are, I’m fucking loving it and I don’t want this feeling to end. We’re a beautiful team to watch who can also do the hard graft just aswell as the skilful parts of the game, it can’t really get much better so let’s just cherish it and fuck what the outsiders are saying.
 
I’m personally sick to death of hearing about ‘pashun’ (that particular spelling gets on my wick big time) and ‘momentum’. If we were running on the former we’d have players absolutely blowing out their arses after an hour.

About time folk actually realised that we’re not a bad side and we are where we are on merit. The sooner people do realise that, we might find ourselves actually in a game.
 
And if we manage to go up this season, we will carry on this momentum and the Wendys will carry on their "the bubble will soon burst" garbage!
I guess at some point we will stop climbing.
No bubbles bursting, just circumstances that might dictate we have gone as far as we can with the current management/funding that's in place.
Enjoy your moment when it comes Wendys, because until then, you can be sure we are enjoying ours.
 
Mumbo said:
Completely agree,
Momentum .......bollocks!,it doesn't exist.You are as good as your last game.
You might as well say the blades are winning games because of the buzz around the club.
If they mean momentum as in inertia well that only applies to physical processes.
Let the myth live on.....teams will continue to underestimate how good we are whilst pundits,mangers and fans alike
repeat parrot fashion pseudo realist, lazy,ignorant clap trap like 'they've got momentum'.
Wilder and his team want to win every game and are prepared from minute one to achieve thier aim.
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This forum has got some momentum, takes ages to read everything these days.
 



FATTYFOULKE said:
Don’t forget this is now the most mediocre division for years. Well according to the pigs. All of a sudden.
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“Weakest division in years” I saw a pig saying this week.

So what does that say about their sorry state of a side?

Keep an eye on ‘Doyen’ as well. From what I can see, it’s a company that represents players and are essentially hiring them to the pigs. Third party involvement basically. Worrying times ahead for the shirtless bunch
 
ShockingBadBuy said:
Momentum and skilful achievement aren't mutually exclusive, though. Would anyone really suggest we haven't got momentum at the moment ?

There's plenty irritating platitudes about SUFC out there in (pig) Ignorant Land. Let's not get too hung up on other peeps' use of the "momentum" thing.
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Agree 100% with this.

As I mentioned Brown was actually being quite complementary about us - called wilder the manager of the millennium.

I just think what gets lost when attributing it to momentum is the skill of our players and the nouse of the managent to change and adapt.

We’ve had to built up the momentum again this season - it’s not all a carry over from last season.

And it’s not actually like momentum is a bad thing - it’s great looking forward to every game and going in full confidence you’re going to get a performance from the side win or lose!
 
GreasyChipBeattie said:
And if we manage to go up this season, we will carry on this momentum and the Wendys will carry on their "the bubble will soon burst" garbage!
I guess at some point we will stop climbing.
No bubbles bursting, just circumstances that might dictate we have gone as far as we can with the current management/funding that's in place.
Enjoy your moment when it comes Wendys, because until then, you can be sure we are enjoying it ourselves.
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After we’re crowned champions of Europe we’ll have nowhere else to go, we might aswell pack up then. :)

I think they’re getting their clubs mixed up, it’s West Ham whose bubbles are no longer in motion and have well and truly burst, good, the complete and utter twats! :)
 
Swap momentum for confidence
There isn't one of our players hiding they are all open for the ball and all confident in receiving the ball
If you have 10 players getting 8/10 instead of 7/10 that like having an extra player
 
Need4speed said:
Swap momentum for confidence
There isn't one of our players hiding they are all open for the ball and all confident in receiving the ball
If you have 10 players getting 8/10 instead of 7/10 that like having an extra player
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And team spirit. The 'momentum' we have is the bond the players have developed between them and their willingness to work for each other and, as you say, confidence; in themselves and each other. That's what I think Brown was getting at. Plenty of sides have got good players in this league but few have got good players working as a real team like we do.
 
Of course momentum is part of our current success, along with spirit organisation, desire, understanding and a real good amount of skill and ability (something all professional footballers' have at this level)
Without the first five, the last is rendered sterile (see Adkins era)
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
I’m personally sick to death of hearing about ‘pashun’ (that particular spelling gets on my wick big time) and ‘momentum’. If we were running on the former we’d have players absolutely blowing out their arses after an hour.

About time folk actually realised that we’re not a bad side and we are where we are on merit. The sooner people do realise that, we might find ourselves actually in a game.
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calm down Ainsley.. 'pashun' is meant to be ironic.. football teams can't have momentum.. they have no mass.. they can't bring themselves to admit it because most of them (pundits included) said we'd be in a relegation dogfight.. i can't wait to see them all change their tune at the end of the season.. 'yeah.. i always said that Sheffield United.. blah blah' etc
 
Bladeinleeds said:
I’m sure this has been discussed elsewhere but was watching Phil brown on the championship highlights on channel 5 - he was quite complementary about us but mentioned we were still riding our momentum from last year (not in a dismissive way or anything) as if this was fact.

I’ve seen this referenced quite a lot in other places too. I’m quite sure that there is an element of momentum in our approach and we are clearly building off the team spirit developed last year...

However, I can’t help but feel this does us a disservice. After all We lost 2 of our first three games of the season and imo i don’t think it was until derby that we fully believed we had enough to take out prior seasons approach to teams and dictate things. We clearly worked to improve our approach and that took time rather than a promotion bounce - After that we’ve been the best side in every game imo and we’re unlucky to lose to forest and Norwich.
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I get really pissed off when people brush it off as momentum, what i saw yesterday was a side that is far better than last seasons play off finalists. We are absolute quality and whilst confidence has come from promotion, creating a winning attitude, there is so much more to this side, squad and club.

Yesterday, yes we tired towards the end but we looked fitter, stronger, faster, smarter than Reading. We attack with a mixture of short passes, long passes and exceptional movement. We defend with organisation and unity.

None of this comes from momentum, but with exceptional planning and preparation. Getting every single player primed for this division over the summer.

We're underestimated by most sides, but we're also much better than them. I can't wait to play someone good in this division. I'd say the best side we've played was probably Boro or Cardiff, Cardiff had too much for us and Boro knew how to match us up, Norwich similar. Forest played well and got a result. Everyone else we've played has been poorly prepared and haven't coped with us.

Momentum is probably the biggest cliche for pundits to use, but its probably 10% of what makes us this good
 
To be fair to outsiders you would put it down to “momentum, confidence, work ethic”.

Let’s be honest here.
We’ve bought Baldock from an average league 1 team
And bought Stevens from a really good league 2 team.

Within weeks both wing backs now look like class acts, even at Championship level.

Mark Duffy has spent most of his career in the lower divisions but he has the skill and class of a PL player.

It’s quite incredible just how good our players look, makes no sense how lower league players can have so much ability once Wilder and Knill have had a few weeks with them. Wilder is performing miracles.
 
What is clear to me is that PUNDITS don't give us the credit deserved.

What is also clear is that OPPOSITION TEAMS are giving us credit, as MOST are adjusting their playing style to try and nullify our game - and the ones that don't just get rolled over.

Bit like Reading yesterday. Billy/Duffs and Leon stopped Reading playing how they wanted to - with ZERO alteration to our formation or playing style - that was GREAT management by our lot in the run up to the game as they knew what Reading were all about.

The longer we stay up near the top, more and more pundits will actually learn how we play as against just guessing how we play. The ones that guess how we play shouldn't be in the job of punditry - they just make themselves look stupid :mad:

UTB
 
Fulwood Blade said:
What is clear to me is that PUNDITS don't give us the credit deserved.

What is also clear is that OPPOSITION TEAMS are giving us credit, as MOST are adjusting their playing style to try and nullify our game - and the ones that don't just get rolled over.

Bit like Reading yesterday. Billy/Duffs and Leon stopped Reading playing how they wanted to - with ZERO alteration to our formation or playing style - that was GREAT management by our lot in the run up to the game as they knew what Reading were all about.

The longer we stay up near the top, more and more pundits will actually learn how we play as against just guessing how we play. The ones that guess how we play shouldn't be in the job of punditry - they just make themselves look stupid :mad:

UTB
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Pundits, stattos, opposition teams, managers and fans, journalists... none of them have a clue until they have seen us.

Even then they look at themselves being poor instead of seeing how good we are.

For any football tourists coming over, forget most of the premier league, come to the lane and feast on beautiful pub football
 



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