AGM

[grafikhaus]

I find it quite unbelievable that he comes out with statements saying the squad size is too big - well then Mr Mc who sanctioned the signing of all these players?

'Quite unbelievable'? Mr. Mc has sanctioned the employment of a set of poor managers, post-Warnock. For Adkins to take half a season to state that the squad he inherited were 'generally unfit' and some 'reported back overweight' sounds like he's getting his excuses ready. Ask yourselves this. If you were McCabe, would you trust Adkins with any money in the JTW? All this talk of 'consolidation' and 'going for it next season' is bull. If we'd have lost yesterday, I reckon the search for yet another manager would now be under way.

And where does this leave Morgan? I've no doubt that NA would have sought CM's opinion as to where it went wrong last season. In order to protect his own position, he obviously was 'economical with the truth'. They should all have been cleared out.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

As ever:

Ignore what they say.
Watch what they do.

No argument from me there.

 

[bornablade]

A major frustration with the Blades at present are the contradictory statements being issued from the club. Today we have to accept 'it's going to take longer than anticipated.' A month or so ago we heard Adkins saying 'we have to get promotion this season.'

Now which one is correct? Just tell us the truth and let's all accept what the situation is. After all we are all United in this aren't we?

 

[derryblade]

All very ominous. Especially with Cutback McCabe's new-found voice (or, rather, rediscovered voice) over recent weeks. Give us Jim back as club spokesman, please.

"KM said that the squad was far too large (43 potential first team professionals), some of them on contracts not commensurate with a League 1 Club. There would therefore need to be significant cuts to the squad in January although money could be available for two or three players but only if the terms were reasonable given our position. NA could not possibly know his best team until the squad was reduced."

Despite this vast squad, after the abject humiliation of Shrewsbury, Nigel had to work with pretty much the same matchday squad of 18 for the following game.

Money "could be" available in January, but "only if the terms were reasonable"??? Sorry, but Jamie Murphy got flogged for £1.5m, because he wanted to leave (so it was reported), not because the board wanted him sold. Good money ought to be available to Nigel in January.

NA's been here 6 months, he's an experienced manager - if he doesn't know his best team now he never will. It's got nothing to do with the need for the squad to be reduced.

Contracts not commensurate with a League 1 Club

We had a major cull under Winter of players and background staff, yet here we are again with KM rolling out the same excuse. Doesn't he actual realize how inept this makes him look, he rectified the situation and has been party to it happening again do they ever learn from past mistakes.

Need to be significant cuts to the squad in January although money could be available for two or three players but only if the terms were reasonable given our position.

Why would anybody want the players we want to get rid of, permanently, not loans, because it's only speculation how much we are saving sending them out on loan, if anything. Other teams will want the players we want to retain, so I don't see a great exodus of players, therefore restricting NA bringing players in, not my words KM's. Reasonable terms would point to Hammond being sent back, or surely it would contradict KM's statement contracts not commensurate with a League 1 Club.
NA could not possibly know his best team until the squad was reduced." is just a bizarre statement on any level, especially after 20+ games and working with them every week.

 

[Kenilworth]

NA's been here 6 months, he's an experienced manager - if he doesn't know his best team now he never will.

I think we all know his best team, don't we?







................................ Southampton

 

[mosbolad]

For Adkins to take half a season to state that the squad he inherited were 'generally unfit' and some 'reported back overweight' sounds like he's getting his excuses ready.

I would agree if this was indeed true. However Adkins said this at the start of the season (at a meet the manager event), something like 'Some of the players look like they have had better holidays than others'. Short of saying some are overweight and out of condition he really couldn't have put it more plainly.

 

[derryblade]

I would agree if this was indeed true. However Adkins said this at the start of the season (at a meet the manager event), something like 'Some of the players look like they have had better holidays than others'. Short of saying some are overweight and out of condition he really couldn't have put it more plainly.

Surely being overweight and out of condition has been rectified 20 + games what's holding us back now, oh the "old guard" and the mediocrity that are NA own signings the supporters, bad luck the new pitch the reasons are endless.

 

[Bladesman]

Surely being overweight and out of condition has been rectified 20 + games what's holding us back now, oh the "old guard" and the mediocrity that are NA own signings the supporters, bad luck the new pitch the reasons are endless.

Well lets put it like this Adkins didn't bring in players that were not fit already apart from Hammond who he even admits he would prefered to have signed much earlier in the season. Edgar, Sammon, Sharp, Woolford were all pretty much ready to play as soon as they arrived. I think Adkins was probably shocked at the state our players were in when he arrived and when you tally that with some of this squads off the field antics its no wonder they were unfit.

He also said quite clearly at the beginning of the season that this squad is not good enough for promotion and at no point since has he claimed they are ready for promotion. He has only added some players to the squad and still wants to offload a lot more.

I said a while back that he has at least 10 players he wants gone and he has not really got rid of any yet either since they are out on loan. What is the main problem? Finding a club gullible enough to take them off our hands. The other option is to release some of them early in January if possible.

 

[BushBlade]

I find it quite unbelievable that he comes out with statements saying the squad size is too big - well then Mr Mc who sanctioned the signing of all these players?

And then he says that some players are on contracts which are not commensurate with league 1 - well then Mr Mc who was it that offered these players such contracts.

Unbelievable, he says these things as if he had no part to play & he is simply sweeping up someone else's mess.

Long and short of it. Continued overspend then underspend cycle. It's not even worth getting angry about anymore.

 

[BushBlade]

'Quite unbelievable'? Mr. Mc has sanctioned the employment of a set of poor managers, post-Warnock. For Adkins to take half a season to state that the squad he inherited were 'generally unfit' and some 'reported back overweight' sounds like he's getting his excuses ready. Ask yourselves this. If you were McCabe, would you trust Adkins with any money in the JTW? All this talk of 'consolidation' and 'going for it next season' is bull. If we'd have lost yesterday, I reckon the search for yet another manager would now be under way.

And where does this leave Morgan? I've no doubt that NA would have sought CM's opinion as to where it went wrong last season. In order to protect his own position, he obviously was 'economical with the truth'. They should all have been cleared out.

If I were KM it seems I'd trust him with the money until he'd spent it and then I'd moan about it. I reckon he's one of them where Mrs M says 'what do you want for tea Kev' he says 'oh I don't mind, owt' and then when he gets it 'I didn't want fish'.

 

[derryblade]

Well lets put it like this Adkins didn't bring in players that were not fit already apart from Hammond who he even admits he would prefered to have signed much earlier in the season. Edgar, Sammon, Sharp, Woolford were all pretty much ready to play as soon as they arrived. I think Adkins was probably shocked at the state our players were in when he arrived and when you tally that with some of this squads off the field antics its no wonder they were unfit.

He also said quite clearly at the beginning of the season that this squad is not good enough for promotion and at no point since has he claimed they are ready for promotion. He has only added some players to the squad and still wants to offload a lot more.

I said a while back that he has at least 10 players he wants gone and he has not really got rid of any yet either since they are out on loan. What is the main problem? Finding a club gullible enough to take them off our hands. The other option is to release some of them early in January if possible.

I can't accept the lack of fitness and being overweight this far into the season at the beginning possibly. More interested in why we can't put a meaningful run of wins together now. The one thing that stands out to me is how little impact NA signings have had on our performances and results. The result against Coventry was welcome and really one we needed to win, will it be the start of a decent winning run, nothing about the performance or tactics fills me with confidence that will happen, we had wins against Swindon, Doncaster and Fleetwood and thought "here we go" but it didn't happen.

 

[UnitedBlade]

If I were KM it seems I'd trust him with the money until he'd spent it and then I'd moan about it. I reckon he's one of them where Mrs M says 'what do you want for tea Kev' he says 'oh I don't mind, owt' and then when he gets it 'I didn't want fish'.

Neither did we, send Sammon back.

It's Christmas, why wouldn't I do a fish joke.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Neither did we, send Sammon back.

It's Christmas, why wouldn't I do a fish joke.

That joke is below parr.

 

[Bladesman]

I can't accept the lack of fitness and being overweight this far into the season at the beginning possibly. More interested in why we can't put a meaningful run of wins together now. The one thing that stands out to me is how little impact NA signings have had on our performances and results. The result against Coventry was welcome and really one we needed to win, will it be the start of a decent winning run, nothing about the performance or tactics fills me with confidence that will happen, we had wins against Swindon, Doncaster and Fleetwood and thought "here we go" but it didn't happen.

No decent winning run is probably because like Adkins says this team is not ready or good enough for promotion.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Neither did we, send Sammon back.

It's Christmas, why wouldn't I do a fish joke.

Now watch this thread flounder.

 

[Rodders]

Why is this? We've used this excuse before. It was the reason we got rid of Quinn, for example.

so why are we still saying this?

I just think we are broke again.

It was why we got Cresswell and Monty to sign extended deals - to put us under the FFFPPPFFPPP. After a further 3 years in the same division, why are we in this position again? I'll always believe that we're at the top of the wages league while-ever we're in this division, but I shudder to think how much the Sharp/Sammon/Brayford/Hammond deals are costing us.

 

[derryblade]

No decent winning run is probably because like Adkins says this team is not ready or good enough for promotion.

NA said that on July 17th at an evening with NA, before he signed Sharp, Salmon, Edgar or Hammond haven't heard him say it since. JP was still talking about automatic promotion in his Twitter statement at the end of October, while KM at the AGM said it might take longer than we thought, at least sing from the same song sheet.

 

[bladesmanluke]

We are quite clearly broke. That's not the fault of the prince, he's put his money in and if he can't afford to put in more then we cannot complain (to him at least). The money has been wasted.

I take comfort from the fact that we don't need much money to improve on the current bunch

 

[Bladesman]

We are quite clearly broke. That's not the fault of the prince, he's put his money in and if he can't afford to put in more then we cannot complain (to him at least). The money has been wasted.

I take comfort from the fact that we don't need much money to improve on the current bunch

Exactly we don't need much money at all to get out of this division compared to the Championship. Also I would not say we are broke either but I would imagine there are some restrictions on how much we can spend.

We can't just keep accumulating more players and not offload any at all.

 

[Deaneandagana]

Now watch this thread flounder.

I think we should skate over this

 

[Rodley]

Exactly we don't need much money at all to get out of this division compared to the Championship. Also I would not say we are broke either but I would imagine there are some restrictions on how much we can spend.

We can't just keep accumulating more players and not offload any at all.

If Burton and Walsall can be up there with fuck all money, there's no reason why we couldn't.

The issue hasn't been backing since we've been stuck down here, it's been our inability to spend wisely.

 

[Bartleby]

I see your point Winco and yes you would imagine by now NA has a very good idea of who his key players are, but bear in mind the AGM is sort of a round up of the last few months since NA started. Also it must be easier training day in day out to manage a smaller group of players than the current 43 pros?

The trouble is I can't see this really being readily resolved in January as most all contracts are June to June.

I can see how it reduces the management overhead, yes, not to mention wage bill, but as you say most contracts run till June.

 

[BushBlade]

I can see how it reduces the management overhead, yes, not to mention wage bill, but as you say most contracts run till June.

I'd have thought quite a few of those 43 will be training with the u-21s.

 

[alcoblade]

It was why we got Cresswell and Monty to sign extended deals - to put us under the FFFPPPFFPPP. After a further 3 years in the same division, why are we in this position again? I'll always believe that we're at the top of the wages league while-ever we're in this division, but I shudder to think how much the Sharp/Sammon/Brayford/Hammond deals are costing us.

Yet you still see people saying "Sod the money" when it comes to signing Hammond.

However much people want to believe otherwise, one way or another it will always be about the money.

UTB

 

[Lawrence]

I knew, everyone, knew that the team/ squad has not been good enough for the last three or four seasons, overpaid and unfit. So why didn't we get rid of the dead wood when we had the chance last May?

NA stated in May that all his players would be given a chance, honrebal but wrong decision - anyone could have told him that a large percentage of the squad were not good enough and he should ship some out.
So Mcabe gives out pointless new contracts to certain existing players knowing that they are not good enough and that we needed new blood, so to me it comes as no supprise we have 40 odd (pro) players still on the roster.

We have spoke many times on S24 about who the players you would keep, we all know we have basically around six players that are good enough - so why didnt the board and Managment know back in May? Do you think that after six months the penny as finally dropped!

 

[BushBlade]

Bumped for Woody

 

[Trigger Blade]

Hardly any notable board members there.

Jim Phipps thought it would be acceptable to be in Riyadh at the time.

Savour this Humpty Barney, I agree.

The only AGM I ever attended was in 1999, as I recall, the full board was there and Warnock had been appointed and he was there to answer questions. Iwas hopeful lenners was going to turn up and shoot hem done in flames, but sadly he didn't.

I think it's hugely disrespectful for Jim Phipps not to have been there, and Nigel Adkins too. It's not as if it was sprung on them overnight, the date is announced weeks in advance. If Jim was in Saudi on a Friday/Saturday, he wouldn't be getting much business done, it's the weekend, so he could either have flown back overnight Thursday, or flown out to Saudi Friday/Saturday. There's absolutely no excuse for not setting aside one day per year for the AGM, nobody's that busy.

 

[Barney]

Savour this Humpty Barney, I agree.

The only AGM I ever attended was in 1999, as I recall, the full board was there and Warnock had been appointed and he was there to answer questions. Iwas hopeful lenners was going to turn up and shoot hem done in flames, but sadly he didn't.

I think it's hugely disrespectful for Jim Phipps not to have been there, and Nigel Adkins too. It's not as if it was sprung on them overnight, the date is announced weeks in advance. If Jim was in Saudi on a Friday/Saturday, he wouldn't be getting much business done, it's the weekend, so he could either have flown back overnight Thursday, or flown out to Saudi Friday/Saturday. There's absolutely no excuse for not setting aside one day per year for the AGM, nobody's that busy.

He's too busy to be playing around with something as trivial as a football club he co-chairs.

 

[puppet]

Why is this? We've used this excuse before. It was the reason we got rid of Quinn, for example.

so why are we still saying this?

I just think we are broke again.

ALL those players were signed in League One - we gave them the contracts. Talking out of his arse - as usual.

 

[puppet]

A major frustration with the Blades at present are the contradictory statements being issued from the club. Today we have to accept 'it's going to take longer than anticipated.' A month or so ago we heard Adkins saying 'we have to get promotion this season.'

Now which one is correct? Just tell us the truth and let's all accept what the situation is. After all we are all United in this aren't we?

They never tell us the truth