Adkins

[Tezza1889]

Posted last week about the 13 million over 2-3/4 seasons, take off Murphy, and maguire and macdonald, who was sold as the prince took over (big clue there as to what really changed) so if the 13 mill is the princes then the 50/50 agreement meant that the owners put 26 million in, which is bullshit..

The owners have put in a million a year between them, the rest has come from player sales, che Adams will fund the rest of the season and possibly next seasons transfer window...

Shit owners, feeding us shit for years now...

 

[Pollingtonblade]

At least we've got a club we don't know how lucky we are that some cunt is PAYING 5 million quid a year to keep us ambling along nicely in mid table of division 3.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I don't believe anything that comes out of any of the boards mouths sadly. Years of being lied to, best players sold, terrible managerial appointments, blaming everyone but themselves.. We will wait the AGM and the figures but I dont buy the money allegedly being spent to keep us afloat. If we are paying so much then it is entirely their fault. They can blame Clough all they went but they signed the checks and they sanctioned so many signings and the bloated crap squad. They name the managers and they are in charge.

They have made bad decision after bad decision. I have no patience with them at all.

So according to Phipps they are spending all this money just to keep us mid table in League One. Frightening.

Can't disagree with the blame game but we are losing millions every year we stay in this division deadba.t

 

[bartman]

che Adams will fund the rest of the season and possibly next seasons transfer window...

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You think 250k will fund this season and next.? If any club from the top two divisions have watched him over the last two onto will have seen a player struggling to control a ball, win a header or stay on his feet .

He is a young lad with a lot to learn and i think top clubs will invest elsewhere at the moment

 

[Bartleby]

Are you forgetting the day we sat proudly on top of the first ever Premier League?

blimey, yes I am! And scored the first PL goal as well. But 1971, undefeated in the first 11 games (damn you George Best for ending THAT run) comes a close second to that

 

[Bladesince59]

I can't help thinking that however poor our teams have been over the last 5 seasons, the consistent failure to replace Paddy Kenny with a goalkeeper of an acceptable standard has cost us more points than anything else. It is the main reason why we are still in this league and when Adkins arrived it was one area where i thought that we could make rapid progress. As a keeper himself he must be able to see frailty there and understand its impact on the team as a whole.

Committing resources to the likes of Connor Sammon before we had fixed such a fundamental problem makes me seriously doubt Adkins ability and judgement.

I agree entirely. Over the past 30 odd years, when we have had a decent goalkeeper we have had a decent team. Otherwise, like now, they are both crap together. Bye Howard.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You seriously believe he has put 15 million in?

If they go....they'll take whatever they can with them. They are businessman and at the moment are getting nowhere fast with this 'project'. I just think they will get bored with it all. They have changed managers twice, changed players and it still aint working. I dont think they have a scooby doo how to get us out of this league.

He'd put £8 million cash in by July 2014 for shares and that's a fact, unless you want to ponder if the Registered Auditor is a liar. He was contractually bound to pay for the remaining £2 million and Jim has stated that's been done. We lost £4.45million in 2014, someone will have had to cover that. So fifteen million isn't going to be a million miles out plus there's been another two million shares issued in September. Plus it's expected the accounts for 2015 will show another loss.

I don't buy Jims "reinvestment" of funds generated by the football club but it's reasonable to believe he's thrown £15 million down the drain up to now.

The problem is that people who - rightly in many cases - point out the historical incompetence of both the old and new boards, are suddenly "surprised" when they continue to make a bollocks of everything. The club being badly run yet again, useless players and inept managers will tend to lose you money hand over fist.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Posted last week about the 13 million over 2-3/4 seasons, take off Murphy, and maguire and macdonald, who was sold as the prince took over (big clue there as to what really changed) so if the 13 mill is the princes then the 50/50 agreement meant that the owners put 26 million in, which is bullshit..

The owners have put in a million a year between them, the rest has come from player sales, che Adams will fund the rest of the season and possibly next seasons transfer window...

Shit owners, feeding us shit for years now...

The share deal was 50/50. The Prince puts in cash, McCabe writes off debt to equity valued at ten million to match the Princes cash input of that amount.

Ten million for those three is good business though, got a breakdown? Most on here said the board were useless and got next to nothing for them. You can't all be right.

 

[borbokis]

Can't remember the last time we weren't waiting for shit players contracts to expire. I remember people saying "when cresswell and montgomery are gone we can sign some real players and start to rebuild" We'll only go and sign another load of shit players.

It's so frustrating Adkins bringing in Hammond and Woolford. Good players for him but 5-6 years have passed since then. We're back to the days of clough bringing in his old mates. The player recruitment at Utd is a joke and has been for decades. We need more Che adam's type signings and less Woolford type signings.

 

[borbokis]

Out of the current squad the only players I'd keep would be Adams, Done, Freeman and Sharp

 

[Slim Man]

In the grand scheme of things, Adkins is largely blameless.

The board and Clough have a lot more to answer for. Stockpiling shit midfielders and shit players on long contracts has ruined us.

Mind you, Adkins didn't help matters by signing Woolford. What a shit footballer.

I'm just absolutely fed up.

 

[grafikhaus]

Be interested to see where we are in 12 months. I do feel we will still be in this league.

That, at the moment is looking optimistic. By the turn of the year, when we've played (and probably lost to) Barnsley, Coventry, Scunthorpe, Wigan and Bradford, we'll be in a relegation scrap. Saturday's result - as disgraceful as it was - was hardly a surprise. We've struggled in practically every game this season. We're in a tailspin and it needs addressing. Fast.

That the foreign owners will be long gone and we will end up with someone like McCall as manager and a side full of kids and cheap signings.

Would that be any worse than what we've got now? The Third Division is full of 'kids and cheap signings'. Get a decent, young, hungry manager (David Flitcroft at Bury would be my choice) who can orgasnise the team and instil a winning mentality, and there's still plenty of time to go up. Carry on as we are doing? Division Two beckons.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

blimey, yes I am! And scored the first PL goal as well. But 1971, undefeated in the first 11 games (damn you George Best for ending THAT run) comes a close second to that

1971 was better IMO

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I'd go with that. I might extend JCR's contract provided he's cheap (I have a soft spot for those at least inclined to take a man on), and I'd definitely flog Cuvelier. Other than that, spot on.

UTB

If we have the option to extend a contract I'd not.

They all have contributed to us being crap and I certainly wouldn't over look the opportunity to get rid.

Get shut and start again.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

On paper, Adkins was just about the best manager we could hope for. On paper, we have players that should be more than good enough for League One. Such a shame that football isn't played on paper!

Not sure what isn't clicking here, something obviously not right though. Losing to the bottom of the league without scoring a single goal. A team that had not won at home for months!

Trouble is all the 'on paper' stuff is printed on one of HRH's bog rolls.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Out of the current squad the only players I'd keep would be Adams, Done, Freeman and Sharp

I'd include Brayford as he has demonstrated that he actually wants to play for us.

Lets hope when he comes back he can drive us forward with his enthusiasm as much as I believe he can.

 

[SB_90]

i want to start by saying that i've believed before clough that this is hardest job in L1 & in the top 5 outside of the Premier League, because of the pressure & expectation involved as if any of the other 22 sides walsall or gillingham etc achieve promotion, they will get lauded by pundits & fans. if we get 2nd adkins probably wont anywhere near that be more, well with that squad its the miniium of what we expected & we should've won the title.

but adkins i still believe is the best man for the job, he knows the pressure after achieving at southampton in league 1 & this going to sound stupid but jim has said we'll spend in january. we concentration on gelling as a team because we know that you dont need money to get out of this league yeovil, brentford, donny & rotherham proved that 4 teams on half (or less) our budget. lets have a team not 11 individuals

 

[super_pig]

according to Phipps we lose 5 million every season

there is your answer.

 

[Silent Blade]

blimey, yes I am! And scored the first PL goal as well. But 1971, undefeated in the first 11 games (damn you George Best for ending THAT run) comes a close second to that

10 league games but 11 if you include the League Cup 3-0 win against Fulham. We were also unbeaten in the last 11 games of the previous season.

We were also at the top of the league in October 1963 and October 1965

 

[him behind you]

Before I start I think he's the best manager we could have got and I believe any talk of getting rid of him is idiotic (I notice a few have started with these kind of comments) He should get at least 2 years to sort us out given his record.

He's not had a great start to his tenure though:

Dubious signings thus far (in terms of them working within the team)
Dubious team-based decisions
Dubious team selections
Playing people out of position
The seeming inability to get players to do what he wants them to
Increasingly dubious press conferences

It's early days and he's largely working with another man's players. I think we'll see the best from him next season but he needs to up his game before then.

I have a very tiny nagging worry that Reading broke him but hopefully it was just a blip.

The more I think about performances at the moment, the more I get wound up about the players and feel sorry for the manager. The reason for this is that I'm struggling to get past the fact that this is in the main, the same squad as last season and we're now on a second manager who is struggling to get them to perform. I'm now at the point that I think we have got the biggest bunch of wasters and big time Charlies who are happy to take a nice easy pay packet and only perform when they want / think they need to. I know simply cancelling their contracts doesn't help us financially so isn't a realistic option, but I think it's time to drop several of them and put some of the youngsters in because they would at least look interested. (Edit : The only concern with the youngsters is that we fans could break them if we got on their backs rather than give them time - and that's not me blaming the supporters).

The sooner we get to the point where the manager can get rid of this lot and replace them with some who want the job, the better.

 

[borbokis]

I'd include Brayford as he has demonstrated that he actually wants to play for us.

Lets hope when he comes back he can drive us forward with his enthusiasm as much as I believe he can.

I was going to mention Brayford but seen as that he's L/T injured. The landscape has changed since we signed him. To be honest I wasn't that impressed with him in the games he played before he got injured. Not the same player as he was when he was on loan unfortunately. Not sure of the nature of his injury but will it affect him bombing forward like he used to when he comes back? Perhaps he could move to CB and bring the ball out like Maguire used to? I know it was tried in one of the cup matches but can't remember how he did?

 

[BushBlade]

Maybe, so I'd start by analysing why we need millions to compete with those on a fraction of the budget.

I'd close the academy and cash in on the land,

The more I think about performances at the moment, the more I get wound up about the players and feel sorry for the manager. The reason for this is that I'm struggling to get past the fact that this is in the main, the same squad as last season and we're now on a second manager who is struggling to get them to perform. I'm now at the point that I think we have got the biggest bunch of wasters and big time Charlies who are happy to take a nice easy pay packet and only perform when they want / think they need to. I know simply cancelling their contracts doesn't help us financially so isn't a realistic option, but I think it's time to drop several of them and put some of the youngsters in because they would at least look interested. (Edit : The only concern with the youngsters is that we fans could break them if we got on their backs rather than give them time - and that's not me blaming the supporters).

The sooner we get to the point where the manager can get rid of this lot and replace them with some who want the job, the better.

After posting something similar on Saturday evening I've been thinking about which kids I'd play and, apart from the ones who've featured quite regularly there aren't many.
I'd probably restore Freeman and move Flynn to RM, bring back Wallace at LB and McGahey at CH. I'd like to play Kennavaro too but I've no idea if he's fit or ever will be.
Khan's gone out on loan, as has DCL.
I'd give Reed another go at CM and let Dimaio have a go but I don't know if they could be the CM partnership we need, tbh I doubt it.
After that, I'm struggling.

 

[Ted Danson]

The more I think about performances at the moment, the more I get wound up about the players and feel sorry for the manager. The reason for this is that I'm struggling to get past the fact that this is in the main, the same squad as last season and we're now on a second manager who is struggling to get them to perform. I'm now at the point that I think we have got the biggest bunch of wasters and big time Charlies who are happy to take a nice easy pay packet and only perform when they want / think they need to. I know simply cancelling their contracts doesn't help us financially so isn't a realistic option, but I think it's time to drop several of them and put some of the youngsters in because they would at least look interested. (Edit : The only concern with the youngsters is that we fans could break them if we got on their backs rather than give them time - and that's not me blaming the supporters).

The sooner we get to the point where the manager can get rid of this lot and replace them with some who want the job, the better.

I dont know how you can feel sorry for the manager, its up to him to motivate his team whatever their attitudes, you think Warnock would have a problem motivating them? I certainly dont.

Im worried Adkins is going to be allowed to sign loads of crap in Jan and we'll be going over this again next year, not got any faith in him whatever his CV says, the footballs been crap this season

 

[him behind you]

After posting something similar on Saturday evening I've been thinking about which kids I'd play and, apart from the ones who've featured quite regularly there aren't many.
I'd probably restore Freeman and move Flynn to RM, bring back Wallace at LB and McGahey at CH. I'd like to play Kennavaro too but I've no idea if he's fit or ever will be.
Khan's gone out on loan, as has DCL.
I'd give Reed another go at CM and let Dimaio have a go but I don't know if they could be the CM partnership we need, tbh I doubt it.
After that, I'm struggling.

Really good point raised BB. Who would we play? Like you I'd like to see someone like Dimaio given a chance and, possibly Reed as long as the other players haven't already knocked the enthusiasm out of him. Personally I prefer to watch patient, passing football as long as it's not too slow (which it is at the moment with our lot) but I'm desperate to see someone in the middle of the park bursting a gut to win back the ball and to pressurise the other team which we might just get from one or two youngsters. I watched the Liverpool v Chelsea highlights last night and thought the work rate of the liverpool midfield was outstanding. When they didn't have the ball they never stopped pressing Chelsea which basically stopped them playing, and when they had the ball they wanted it. Our coaching staff could do worse than sit the U21's down to watch that game and make them realise what is expected. Of course, what they also need is player in front of them to be available for the ball but that's another story....

 

[Bartleby]

10 league games but 11 if you include the League Cup 3-0 win against Fulham. We were also unbeaten in the last 11 games of the previous season.

We were also at the top of the league in October 1963 and October 1965

63 and 65 a bit before I started going to the Lane but that was a decent period in our history. Never lower than the top two divisions until the late 70's.

Feel lucky also to be able to remember the glorious 1966 - the pigs losing that 2-0 lead against Everton and our World Cup victory! None of those fancy charts for me, I was 9 and I charted all our world cup games in long hand with my new fountain pen in one of those old Boots scribbling diaries - right bloody mess it was

 

[him behind you]

I dont know how you can feel sorry for the manager, its up to him to motivate his team whatever their attitudes, you think Warnock would have a problem motivating them? I certainly dont.

Im worried Adkins is going to be allowed to sign loads of crap in Jan and we'll be going over this again next year, not got any faith in him whatever his CV says, the footballs been crap this season

We'll never know about Warnock motivating them. What everyone spouting this seems to forget is that Warnock signed the style of player with the mental toughness to be up for it, who would respond to his style as a manager - as did Bassett. Although I never liked Warnock, he was a good manager of people but that is only because he made sure that he got himself the tools he needed to do the job. I honestly think most of this lot would not respond positively to Warnock because they don't come across as having the character to be able to handle it.

I also think your being too hard on Adkins because you can't realistically judge him on 1/4 of a season.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I was going to mention Brayford but seen as that he's L/T injured. The landscape has changed since we signed him. To be honest I wasn't that impressed with him in the games he played before he got injured. Not the same player as he was when he was on loan unfortunately. Not sure of the nature of his injury but will it affect him bombing forward like he used to when he comes back? Perhaps he could move to CB and bring the ball out like Maguire used to? I know it was tried in one of the cup matches but can't remember how he did?

Looked well up for it for 27 minutes until he broke down in the U21's.

 

[Bartleby]

We'll never know about Warnock motivating them. What everyone spouting this seems to forget is that Warnock signed the style of player with the mental toughness to be up for it, who would respond to his style as a manager - as did Bassett. Although I never liked Warnock, he was a good manager of people but that is only because he made sure that he got himself the tools he needed to do the job. I honestly think most of this lot would not respond positively to Warnock because they don't come across as having the character to be able to handle it.

I also think your being too hard on Adkins because you can't realistically judge him on 1/4 of a season.

Warnock was also given more time, I doubt Adkins will be.

 

[Ted Danson]

Warnock had an infectious passion which Ive not seen anything of in Adkins, his prime attribute was being able to get players playing at 110% so I do think hed get much better results out of the current squad, Adkins style of footy seems slow and boring with lots of sideways passing and reminds me of Wier and Robson, Ive seen nothing to suggest hes going to be any good at SUFC and dont think hell last the season, roll on next year when Deano will no doubt get a crack at it

 

[Bladesince59]

Sorry, for me the defence has been and will continue to be the main problem.

Midfield needs signings, but doesn't just about every position bar the strikers?

If the strikers actually scored, I would agree with you