Adkins

[alcoblade]

Agree and on paper he's a good signing but his impact rating at the moment in -1 at best.

I don't think there's many will argue that things have gone well for him so far

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[wizadry]

His CV is good on paper but alcoblade said we couldn't judge him on ten games and his CV should cut him some slack, I'm just pointing out that the past counts for nothing in some areas of an argument.

Maybe not but if you were going to look at something to give you that bit of assurance then atleast his past will give you that. We have to give him time aswell as money to sort this mess out.

 

[alcoblade]

I am a moron.

Can you tell me how to edit posts?

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[Barney]

I'm an internet warhorse.

Maybe you can teach me a thing or two?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Maybe you can teach me a thing or two?

If he can't, somebody needs to call a vet.

 

[wizadry]

I've been hacked for ages, i'm not normally a miserable twat

Glad to hear it mate.

 

[Barney]

Your posts are spot on Barny.

I didn't need telling.

 

[wizadry]

I didn't need telling.

 

[Bartleby]

His CV is good on paper but alcoblade said we couldn't judge him on ten games and his CV should cut him some slack, I'm just pointing out that the past counts for nothing in some areas of an argument.

but when you recruit a manager, or anyone, what else have you got to go on but their past achievements? I'm sure they also have to discuss what their future plans are, when they are getting interviewed, but at that stage all that is is talking the talk. It's not the kind of job where you can just make them sit an aptitude test is it?

 

[Bartleby]

Yes, but what he's done in the past should give us enough evidence that he has what it takes to do something in the future meaning he should get more time. Where as Clough on the other hand didn't have or never has had what it takes to achieve our goal as proved by his past.

What you and many people are suggesting is that C.V's in football shouldn't be needed and should be ignored, i totally disagree and when you look at what Clough had done previously, he wasn't needed for Sheffield United, a team that needed promotion from League One, he has never done it. Now, i'm not saying he will never achieve this but the odds are firmly stacked against him. Adkins has achieved this and deserves the chance to do so with us.

Bang on. I said the same about Clough when he was appointed.

 

[Sean Thornton]

If he can't, somebody needs to call a vet.

I appreciate the like barny but I can't help thinking you've maybe not quite got it

 

[Barney]

I appreciate the like barny but I can't help thinking you've maybe not quite got it

I wouldn't worry.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I wouldn't worry.

I'm not.

 

[O'erTheer]

Who do you support?

I'm a Wednesdayite, but I take an interest in all our local clubs.

Adkins reminds me of one of those "Motivational Speaker", "Life Coach", "Business Guru" types.

Now the thing about those guys is that they turn up at a seminar somewhere,
exude positivity for an hour, make the punters feel that they're special, that everyone can achieve wonderful things.

But when the act leaves the room, that's that.

Doesn't matter if everyone's miserable as sin the day after.
'Cos Mr.Orangeskin Whiteteeth has got paid and fucked off to get paid somewhere else.

 

[BushBlade]

I'm a Wednesdayite, but I take an interest in all our local clubs.

Adkins reminds me of one of those "Motivational Speaker", "Life Coach", "Business Guru" types.

Now the thing about those guys is that they turn up at a seminar somewhere,
exude positivity for an hour, make the punters feel that they're special, that everyone can achieve wonderful things.

But when the act leaves the room, that's that.

Doesn't matter if everyone's miserable as sin the day after.
'Cos Mr.Orangeskin Whiteteeth has got paid and fucked off to get paid somewhere else.

I've heard of these types but I haven't seen many. When I worked for a large consultancy the training courses they put on were reasonably effective, if it was directly related to your work and you could practice what you'd learnt.
Anyone who thinks a seminar will change their life is very naive anyway.

Anyway, back to football. He does strike me as being a bit too full of management speak and motivational theory but his record speaks for itself. You don't win four promotions on bullshit alone. If he was a novice, or had only had limited success at one club, I'd be nervous now.

I guess with the history of your club you've had more experience of snake oil salesmen than most.

 

[TJB.]

Now the thing about those guys is that they turn up at a seminar somewhere,
exude positivity for an hour, make the punters feel that they're special, that everyone can achieve wonderful things.

But when the act leaves the room, that's that.

It's not that though, is it? The whole point of motivational speakers is that you go to the talk, you take notes and you apply what you've learnt to your personal or working life.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Adkins et al can give them all the motivation they need, but it's the players that have to apply the knowledge to their play as well as all the tactics and all other match preparation. His methods have clearly worked in the past; his record shows this. It may well be that the group of players we have in at the moment simply don't have it in them to buy into Adkins' philosophy, both mentally and physically.

He was left with a very large group of players and hasn't been able to bring many of his own in. I think once he's able to do that, we'll hopefully see a change in fortunes.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Not really made my mind up yet on Mr Adkins - Whilst he has a decent record of promotion out of this division his performance levels since the summer have been really disappointing !
The team look disjointed, lacking ideas, movement and guile, the players look disinterested and now the supporters are beginning to question his management !
His corporate speak and positiveness is wearing thin, he contradicts himself during interviews and coming out with the phrase ' no easy games in this division' is an insult to all the supporters !
I am in danger of becoming very disillusioned - I totally concur with Deadbat that 'apathy is setting in' and Mr Adkins is overseeing the process !

 

[bladesmanluke]

Wilson failed with a Championship side, at least in Cloughs and Adkins defence they are/did fail with tripe.

A failed championship side. Just like the side we have now, choc full of failed championship rejects

 

[BushBlade]

A failed championship side. Just like the side we have now, choc full of failed championship rejects

Several of those who haven't retired or been convicted of rape went back to the championship and did well; KMac, Willo, Quinn, Lowton, Maguire are all still at a higher level than L1. The only ones I consider 'rejects' are Doyle, Collins Simmo and Hill.

 

[O'erTheer]

I've heard of these types but I haven't seen many. When I worked for a large consultancy the training courses they put on were reasonably effective, if it was directly related to your work and you could practice what you'd learnt.
Anyone who thinks a seminar will change their life is very naive anyway.

Anyway, back to football. He does strike me as being a bit too full of management speak and motivational theory but his record speaks for itself. You don't win four promotions on bullshit alone. If he was a novice, or had only had limited success at one club, I'd be nervous now.

I guess with the history of your club you've had more experience of snake oil salesmen than most.

It's not that though, is it? The whole point of motivational speakers is that you go to the talk, you take notes and you apply what you've learnt to your personal or working life.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Adkins et al can give them all the motivation they need, but it's the players that have to apply the knowledge to their play as well as all the tactics and all other match preparation. His methods have clearly worked in the past; his record shows this. It may well be that the group of players we have in at the moment simply don't have it in them to buy into Adkins' philosophy, both mentally and physically.

He was left with a very large group of players and hasn't been able to bring many of his own in. I think once he's able to do that, we'll hopefully see a change in fortunes.

Hello chaps,

Sorry, I re-read my post and it was a bit garbled...

What I was trying to say was that being Mr.Motivator is fine when you can do your spiel and then fuck off.

But Nigel's the manager of a football club and doesn't get to leave so quickly.

(Well, unless he was at Leeds haha!)

Positivity can be a great thing, NA's own career is testament to that.

But at Reading and now seemingly at the Lane, he's failed to get an immediate feel-good factor that can roll on with momentum.

You'll have players who after a week or two are thinking along the lines of:

"He told me I was going to be really good... but I'm still fucking crap..".

Nigel's trumped out a cloud of positivity, and is now trapped in the room with his own fart.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Several of those who haven't retired or been convicted of rape went back to the championship and did well; KMac, Willo, Quinn, Lowton, Maguire are all still at a higher level than L1. The only ones I consider 'rejects' are Doyle, Collins Simmo and Hill.

True. It's these championship players though that are holding us back at the moment. Either not good enough or simply don't want to better themselves. It's as though they think they can just turn up and expect the opposition to roll over just because they've played at a higher level

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

A failed championship side. Just like the side we have now, choc full of failed championship rejects

Please check out #229.

Wilson failed miserably.

 

[BushBlade]

Hello chaps,

Sorry, I re-read my post and it was a bit garbled...

What I was trying to say was that being Mr.Motivator is fine when you can do your spiel and then fuck off.

But Nigel's the manager of a football club and doesn't get to leave so quickly.

(Well, unless he was at Leeds haha!)

Positivity can be a great thing, NA's own career is testament to that.

But at Reading and now seemingly at the Lane, he's failed to get an immediate feel-good factor that can roll on with momentum.

You'll have players who after a week or two are thinking along the lines of:

"He told me I was going to be really good... but I'm still fucking crap..".

Nigel's trumped out a cloud of positivity, and is now trapped in the room with his own fart.

Tbh, I'm already starting to resent a Wednesday fan slagging off our manager, however polite you are. Particularly ones that crawl out of the woodwork when the pigs are doing well.
It's difficult to interpret it as anything other than gloating.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Before I start I think he's the best manager we could have got and I believe any talk of getting rid of him is idiotic (I notice a few have started with these kind of comments) He should get at least 2 years to sort us out given his record.

He's not had a great start to his tenure though:

Dubious signings thus far (in terms of them working within the team)
Dubious team-based

After todays shambles the brave decisions are: (to list a few, if not all)

1) send Hammond back - too old, too slow - he did a job for Adkins years ago.
2) Stop playing Baxter in midfield
3) Drop Done
4) explain why Sammon is a left winger all of a sudden - and dropped when not doing too bad with Sharp up top
5) Stop playing Collins at CH and not play Basham at CH - didn't work last year and won't work this year either - ball into the box again today apparently.
6) explain why suddenly, Flynn has become a full back.
7) explain why Freeman (reasonable consistent) was dropped.
8) explain why Harris is suddenly match fit and played away from home - ease a none fit player back in to 1st team action.
9) explain why we are continually out played in midfield - add out run, out fought, out footballed.
10) explain, why he as a manager/coach (an apparent good one) is not making "some" of our players better

Adkins is doing what he said he would do - evaluate the squad - the league, just like last year (for other reasons) is slipping away, even before Xmas.

As for your last sentence - Adkins doesn't appear to have a clue and we are starting to get Clough type excuses talking up the opposition prior to playing them. Talking up Crewe FFS - whatever next?

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1. Jury still out- rusty- too early to write him off
2, 3, 5- All suggesting players dropped but no alternatives are suggested.
4. Agreed- If he plays, it should be up top alongside Sharp/Done/Adams
6. He looked better at full back last season than he had in right midfield.
7. Agreed and would add Wallace to that.
8. Don't know how fit he is. Has played for U21s but thought Wallace was unlucky to be dropped.
9. Agreed
10. He has- K. Wallace, Alcock (before he got injured), McGahey (though still not that good), Adams, Coutts, JCR have all shown some improvement this season IMO.

 

[O'erTheer]

Tbh, I'm already starting to resent a Wednesday fan slagging off our manager, however polite you are. Particularly ones that crawl out of the woodwork when the pigs are doing well.
It's difficult to interpret it as anything other than gloating.

I'm not gloating or slagging, just looking from the outside in.

What's the point of gloating? Because you're in the 3rd Division and we're in the 2nd..?

Well, forgive me if I don't faint with excitement..

Sheffield football has basically become a tale of two bald brothers fighting over a crap wig.

 

[BushBlade]

I'm not gloating or slagging, just looking from the outside in.

What's the point of gloating? Because you're in the 3rd Division and we're in the 2nd..?

Well, forgive me if I don't faint with excitement..

Sheffield football has basically become a tale of two bald brothers fighting over a crap wig.

You're not slagging? Read your posts again. You've done everything but call NA a cunt.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

You've done everything but call NA a cunt.

And we have our fans to do that..

 

[O'erTheer]

You're not slagging? Read your posts again. You've done everything but call NA a cunt.

I said he reminded me of a Motivational Speaker.

Not a cunt.

He's an interesting character who's had considerable success.

 

[chipsncake]

Tbh, I'm already starting to resent a Wednesday fan slagging off our manager, however polite you are. Particularly ones that crawl out of the woodwork when the pigs are doing well.
It's difficult to interpret it as anything other than gloating.

Aye, maybe the truth hurts, but as much as it goes against the grain to say so this fella's appraisal of our manager makes a lot of sense.

 

[Barney]

You're not slagging? Read your posts again. You've done everything but call NA a cunt.

He's been spot on in just about everything he's said.