Adkins has to stay.......

[blade too long]

We wouldn't have to win all 3 play off games to be promoted.

had covered that

1 of the semi legs being a draw would do but momentum of winning both be better
show hed got it right

 

[chipsncake]

It's not worked in the past getting rid too quickly. Don't think we should have sacked NC and I don't think we should sack NA, surely all managers need time to turn things round and it costs to terminate a contract, money that could be spent on improving the squad.

He's had more than enough time and money. Get shut now before it gets any worse.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I was wondering how much the EPPP was affecting our academy. I'd read about us losing some kids to Man City but they were like U11s or something. Has he been asking to get us upgraded or telling them to put less money into it? It's interesting because he talks about using the academy to contribute a lot of players towards the first team playing squad.
If you could shed any light on that it would be greatly appreciated. I'd be interested in setting up a thread for scouting and transfer policy.

He's told them to upgrade the academy. Coming from Southampton and seeing how many years one big sale would fund the academy for, makes it a no brainer. Its a viability question for the current setup, as it threatens to undermine whether the best young players will reach maturity (professional contracts) with us. Some will of course still choose to stay with the blades, but we'd have no legal recourse if we complete 99% of their development and only receive a token payment at the end of it because a hawk has offered some pieces of silver. If it was financed, it would ensure that the club benefited from the talent it had nurtured but would also, importantly, put us in a smaller elite group of clubs when attracting talent - especially in the north of England. A no brainer, especially when the majority/if not all of the facilities to meet the specifications have already been paid for. We've already lost three kids, which indicates that the medium term viability of the system is being threatened. They were all taken by Category One academies. Youth football is very murky, and bribes and material things being promised to parents isn't uncommon.

 

[Dkc]

Nope, he's not had enough time. How much time was Fergie given at Man U before the trophies started rolling in? How much time was Warnock given? You can't just appoint a manager and expect instant success. It does sometimes happen, but most of the time it doesn't.

 

[BeatleBlade]

He's told them to upgrade the academy. Coming from Southampton and seeing how many years one big sale would fund the academy for, makes it a no brainer. Its a viability question for the current setup, as it threatens to undermine whether the best young players will reach maturity (professional contracts) with us. Some will of course still choose to stay with the blades, but we'd have no legal recourse if we complete 99% of their development and only receive a token payment at the end of it because a hawk has offered some pieces of silver. If it was financed, it would ensure that the club benefited from the talent it had nurtured but would also, importantly, put us in a smaller elite group of clubs when attracting talent - especially in the north of England. A no brainer, especially when the majority/if not all of the facilities to meet the specifications have already been paid for. We've already lost three kids, which indicates that the medium term viability of the system is being threatened. They were all taken by Category One academies. Youth football is very murky, and bribes and material things being promised to parents isn't uncommon.

EPPP really is a terrible idea. The top clubs are already sucking all the money up and now they threaten to make lower league football totally unviable by removing the two things that can keep clubs sustainable, youth player sales and FA Cup replays. I can't remember who it was now, it might have been Ian Holloway, who was saying that young players would just get stockpiled at top clubs leading to many wasted careers so I can't see it helping the national team either. Still, if it is to be that system, we might as well benefit from it by being category one.

 

[raul]

I look for a pack of tissues

Good to see you getting the most out of your big Telly Beetle.

 

[Bartleby]

We signed a Higgopotamus.

and made him captain in his first game.

 

[nopigfansintown]

EPPP really is a terrible idea. The top clubs are already sucking all the money up and now they threaten to make lower league football totally unviable by removing the two things that can keep clubs sustainable, youth player sales and FA Cup replays. I can't remember who it was now, it might have been Ian Holloway, who was saying that young players would just get stockpiled at top clubs leading to many wasted careers so I can't see it helping the national team either. Still, if it is to be that system, we might as well benefit from it by being category one.

Exactly. Become a shark or get eat by one.

 

[Trueblade]

I think we need to give him a chance.

How many managers can we keep sacking? Nobody gets the chance to build anything, not just here but anywhere. Look at Newcastle, hated Pardew, the bloke turned it round, stuck up the two fingers, and look at them now, they'll be going down.

Last year people wanted Clough out, we reached the play offs and we failed as usual. But he went. Look at us now, we are worse off. If Adkins goes, who next?

For me he needs another season. If he fails then fair enough.

 

[Northyorksblade]

I dont really care what the development players think ,they dont see him close up on match days
I look at a league table and ask , have we progressed under him
I look at the squad and see how much better is it under him
I look at our home record and ask has he made us invincible at home
I look up in the table and see burton walsall barnsley bradford gillingham millwall and wigan all better placed and ponder , have we benefitted from his knowledge
I look at threads in here after games and count those where fans say , that was brilliant, or we were wonderful today. not very time consuming

I look at next season and think , will it get any better if hes still here
I look for a pack of tissues and start to cry

Bloody hell, you've changed your tune in a couple of months!

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

EPPP really is a terrible idea. The top clubs are already sucking all the money up and now they threaten to make lower league football totally unviable by removing the two things that can keep clubs sustainable, youth player sales and FA Cup replays. I can't remember who it was now, it might have been Ian Holloway, who was saying that young players would just get stockpiled at top clubs leading to many wasted careers so I can't see it helping the national team either. Still, if it is to be that system, we might as well benefit from it by being category one.

But this point about wasted careers could well mean that, for want of a better word, there will be a "market" in young players who actually want to play football.

If you can show you are an attractive environment in your style of play, professionalism, and career development then perhaps good young players will come your way.

 

[Silent Blade]

He's told them to upgrade the academy..

How much extra per year will it cost to upgrade the Academy? Are we close to becoming Category 1? Heard Wendy are doing the same since last year.

It is a big gamble

 

[blade too long]

Good to see you getting the most out of your big Telly Beetle.

60 inches isnt that big , these days

 

[blade too long]

Bloody hell, you've changed your tune in a couple of months!

see as I found
I like most was hoping hed work out , backed him as much as I could
but couldnt see one area hes excelling in or any improvement made , disappointing definitely
but the clubs future comes first every time

 

[PeteBlade]

I know I’m going to regret engaging with you again but here goes.


Caldwell was appointed Wigan Manager in April. He had been around the club for years and knew it inside out. He had control of the retained list and has been backed to sign 20 players this season 2 of whom cost around £1million.


Burton have been on an upward trajectory for years. No mess for incoming managers to sort out, just a case of trying to keep the momentum going.


O Driscoll was sacked after 16 games. Dean Smith built the team over a number of years.


Lee Johnson was close to getting the sack when they lost 8 in a row but they stuck with him. But again, he was there late last season, could assess the squad, release the dross at the end of the season and build his own team.




“He was given carte blanche to fire and hire,”- No he wasn’t. No manager every has. They all have some restrictions, some more than others. You’ve had this explained to you many times and your continued statement can no longer be error so must be lies.



“he let players stay who if hed done some research hed have known were crap
he only had to ask ,surely”- If he’d taken that approach he would have probably binned Lovren, Schneiderlein, Lambert and Lallana when he was at Southampton too as they had been poor til he took the reigns. He couldn’t know for sure til he got to manage them himself. And many were injured at the start of the season so he still couldn’t assess them.

Seriously mate I wouldn't bother even attempting to answer something so utterly moronic.

My 3 year old can offer more logical and intelligent debate.

 

[PeteBlade]

Bloody hell, you've changed your tune in a couple of months!

Hasn't he just?

Shows an equal lack of knowledge or intelligence whichever side of the debate he's on.

 

[nopigfansintown]

How much extra per year will it cost to upgrade the Academy? Are we close to becoming Category 1? Heard Wendy are doing the same since last year.

It is a big gamble

In the reason of two million extra, I believe. Mostly in staffing costs I think. If we cant rule youth production in our own city in the future, then that's a massive cause for concern.

 

[Barney]

Seriously mate I wouldn't bother even attempting to answer something so utterly moronic.

My 3 year old can offer more logical and intelligent debate.

By no means do I agree with everything he says, but I'm interested to know which part of that post you find to be utterly moronic. The point about the manager having the possibility to ask reliable figures in the backroom set up is a completely reasonable and truthful one.

I would also add to that, that he could have easily reviewed as much footage of last seasons game play as he would have liked, where he would have been able to find further confirmation and consolidation of what those that witnessed it all had to say. Retaining players purely on the basis that they could have miraculously transformed into much better players is nothing short of cloud cuckoo gibberish.

I'm afraid you cannot afford to take chances as petty and as unrealistic as that if you want to get anywhere near promotion, particularly with a side in need of as much change as ours did then. And lo and behold, we find that out the hard way as that very decision contributes to what is on course to be our most pitiful finish in league one yet.

 

[PeteBlade]

By no means do I agree with everything he says, but I'm interested to know which part of that post you find to be utterly moronic. The point about the manager having the possibility to ask reliable figures in the backroom set up is a completely reasonable and truthful one.

I would also add to that, that he could have easily reviewed as much footage of last seasons game play as he would have liked, where he would have been able to find further confirmation and consolidation of what those that witnessed it all had to say. Retaining players purely on the basis that they could have miraculously transformed into much better players is nothing short of cloud cuckoo gibberish.

I'm afraid you cannot afford to take chances as petty and as unrealistic as that if you want to get anywhere near promotion, particularly with a side in need of as much change as ours did then. And lo and behold, we find that out the hard way as that very decision contributes to what is on course to be our most pitiful finish in league one yet.

Where do I start?

The list of clubs who signed 20 odd players, had managers who had been at the club for years or were taking over a club already at the top of the league.

The assertion that Adkins had carte Blanche to hire and fire who he liked,

Comparing managing a football team to apparently "running a depot" or him "asking around".

I'm sure Adkins is very grateful the the management advice offered by both of you, if only it was as simple as it seems from your perspective as home.

 

[Barney]

Where do I start?

The list of clubs who signed 20 odd players, had managers who had been at the club for years or were taking over a club already at the top of the league.

The assertion that Adkins had carte Blanche to hire and fire who he liked,

Comparing managing a football team to apparently "running a depot" or him "asking around".

I'm sure Adkins is very grateful the the management advice offered by both of you, if only it was as simple as it seems from your perspective as home.

I'm sure he is. I suppose it's no comparison to having people advise him to retain awful players on the basis they might miraculously improve out of absolutely nowhere.

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm sure he is. I suppose it's no comparison to having people advise him to retain awful players on the basis that they might miraculously improve.

Again, you show a basic lack of understanding of how football actually works in the real world.

Some of your suggestions would work great on Football Manager.

 

[Barney]

Again, you show a basic lack of understanding of how football actually works in the real world.

You might have a point there, if you had any first hand experience of how professional football works in the real world to be able to comment. I'm guessing you don't.

 

[PeteBlade]

Because you've got lots of first hand experience of how professional football works in the real world.

I'm not saying I have, I don't pretend to be an authority on every subject as you do.

Equally I don't make the silly suggestions you and your buddy BTL do.

 

[SK10Blade]

He's had more than enough time and money. Get shut now before it gets any worse.

He's not had that much and what is there to say things will get worse, we are not exactly known for giving managers time. Unless you go back a bit when not only were we doing better but we also had that bit of stability. If we get rid now we will be back where we were 12 months ago.

 

[Barney]

I'm not saying I have, I don't pretend to be an authority on every subject as you do.

Equally I don't make the silly suggestions you and your buddy BTL do.

What like wanting to offer Paul Coutts a contract extension because he had one good game?

 

[BeatleBlade]

But this point about wasted careers could well mean that, for want of a better word, there will be a "market" in young players who actually want to play football.

If you can show you are an attractive environment in your style of play, professionalism, and career development then perhaps good young players will come your way.

I think money will speak a bit louder to most people than that unfortunately. Besides, the teams who face losing their players should get more money for them than the EPPP rules mean.

 

[PeteBlade]

What like wanting to offer Paul Coutts a contract extension because he had one good game.

That's the one thing you've got to cling on to isn't it?

Shall we pay up all our players and get rid of them as it won't damage us under the league's finance rules?

 

[Sean Thornton]

That's the one thing you've got to cling on to isn't it?

Shall we pay up all our players and get rid of them as it won't damage us under the league's finance rules?

Err, that's my scab to pick at if you don't mind Peter.

 

[PeteBlade]

Err, that's my scab to pick at if you don't mind Peter.

Thought we could tag team

 

[Barney]

That's the one thing you've got to cling on to isn't it?

Shall we pay up all our players and get rid of them as it won't damage us under the league's finance rules?

Paul Coutts wins it.