Adkins - For What it's worth

[Houston_Blade]

Ok Pat, you're obviously a Nigel Fan, so instead of having a go at those who are not so sure about where he's taking us, can you let us know what positives he's brought to our club. I've asked this question on numerous occasions and no one has yet come up with a single answer.

His interviews are always upbeat and positive does that count?!

He's no better or worse than NC at the moment, I'm sure we could have achieved what we have this season with NC still in charge so it was a pointless sacking in terms of this season's outcome. I do think this season would have been Cloughs last with no new contract offered barring promotion so hopefully by getting Adkins in now we've given him a year to shift the shit and another to build a decent team. Hopefully without further signings of the Hammond/Woolford ilk.

 

[Houston_Blade]

David Flitcroft
Justin Edinburgh
Chris Powell

None of whom have a better record (on paper) than Adkins. If they come in and do no better then what?

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Barney]

None of whom have a better record (on paper) than Adkins. If they come in and do no better then what?

They've all proved they're able to prioritise and judge well.

Adkins has proved he absolutely can't.

 

[Bladesince59]

We have a positive goal difference and have won more than we've lost. It's a tough league and Adkins first season, give it time!

We are making it look tough: Bury, Crewe, Gillingham, Colchester, Port Vale should not be turning us over.

 

[chipsncake]

His interviews are always upbeat and positive does that count?!

He's no better or worse than NC at the moment, I'm sure we could have achieved what we have this season with NC still in charge so it was a pointless sacking in terms of this season's outcome. I do think this season would have been Cloughs last with no new contract offered barring promotion so hopefully by getting Adkins in now we've given him a year to shift the shit and another to build a decent team. Hopefully without further signings of the Hammond/Woolford ilk.

Yep OK, let's put to one side the things he's not very good at, which is most, and build our future on the back of Nigel's upbeat and positive interviews. I'm afraid clutching at straws and blind faith is maybe all we have left.

 

[chipsncake]

We have a positive goal difference and have won more than we've lost. It's a tough league and Adkins first season, give it time!

Struggling aren't we sam.

 

[PeteBlade]

Those who lay the blame purely at the feet of the manager without taking into account the wider situation at the club and how we're being run are daft in the extreme.

As daft as those who try and pick fault with Adkin's record to suit their argument against him.

You can attempt to pick fault with the record of any manager if you've decided you don't like him.

He has an EXCELLENT record.

Those who attempt to suggest otherwise just make themselves look daft.

 

[PeteBlade]

They've all proved they're able to prioritise and judge well.

Adkins has proved he absolutely can't.

How long would you give them?

 

[Barney]

How long would you give them?

If they recruited in the way I had assumed they would (highly likely), and the team just weren't gelling for whatever reason, I'd allow more room to move.

If they'd unexpectedly gone against what they had proven in the past, and recruited exactly how Adkins has done, I'd be a little less tolerant, but that would be bordering on impossible if we actually do what we should and appoint a transfer supervisor to prevent those unlikely happenings in the first place.

 

[samsufc]

Struggling aren't we sam.

We are, but look at the quality of the teams in the top 6. We need the Prince to put his hand in his pocket if we are going to compete with the likes of them.

 

[Bladesince59]

7 points out of the past possible 21 doesn't do it for me.

 

[alcoblade]

We are, but look at the quality of the teams in the top 6. We need the Prince to put his hand in his pocket if we are going to compete with the likes of them.

If we can't compete with that shite in the top 6 without extra investment, our energy should go into finding out why as a club, we piss so much money down the drain.

UTB

 

[chipsncake]

Those who lay the blame purely at the feet of the manager without taking into account the wider situation at the club and how we're being run are daft in the extreme.

As daft as those who try and pick fault with Adkin's record to suit their argument against him.

You can attempt to pick fault with the record of any manager if you've decided you don't like him.

He has an EXCELLENT record.

Those who attempt to suggest otherwise just make themselves look daft.

"Those who lay the blame purely at the feet of the manager without taking into account the wider situation etc"
Agree, McCabe's and Clough's contributions have been significant.

"As daft as those who try to pick fault with Adkin's record to suit their argument against him. You can attempt to pick fault with the record of any manager if you've decided you don't like him".
Agree, but no dafter than those who say he has an excellent record and choose to ignore why Adkins was sacked by Southampton and Reading and is under-performing at the moment.

The time has not yet arrived when we should seriously consider removing Adkins, but carry on as we are and it would be daft to persevere with a manager who is so obviously failing.

 

[robbiez666]

I get frustrated by his press conferences as he says roughly the same thing every week. You can only work on something in training so many times before you probably need to think again.

On the positive side our defence is certainly better than earlier on in the season and we stand a chance of defending a corner now. On the negative, we're less likely to score.

 

[PeteBlade]

"Those who lay the blame purely at the feet of the manager without taking into account the wider situation etc"
Agree, McCabe's and Clough's contributions have been significant.

"As daft as those who try to pick fault with Adkin's record to suit their argument against him. You can attempt to pick fault with the record of any manager if you've decided you don't like him".
Agree, but no dafter than those who say he has an excellent record and choose to ignore why Adkins was sacked by Southampton and Reading and is under-performing at the moment.

The time has not yet arrived when we should seriously consider removing Adkins, but carry on as we are and it would be daft to persevere with a manager who is so obviously failing.

I would agree that he's currently underperforming, but I find the wider issues have a massive effect on this.

His sacking from Southampton from widely criticised as he was doing a good job.

To use that as a reason to slag him off is stupid.

 

[PeteBlade]

If they recruited in the way I had assumed they would (highly likely), and the team just weren't gelling for whatever reason, I'd allow more room to move.

If they'd unexpectedly gone against what they had proven in the past, and recruited exactly how Adkins has done, I'd be a little less tolerant, but that would be bordering on impossible if we actually do what we should and appoint a transfer supervisor to prevent those unlikely happenings in the first place.

I asked you how long.

Should they not recruit how you want, how long?

 

[Barney]

I asked you how long.

Should they not recruit how you want, how long?

A numerical answer to that question cannot be given.

Too many factors/unknowns that can only be considered as they happen.

You obviously don't understand management.

 

[PeteBlade]

You obviously don't understand management.

Absolutely hilarious.

Possibly the most ironic thing ever posted on this forum.

Amazing.

 

[chipsncake]

I would agree that he's currently underperforming, but I find the wider issues have a massive effect on this.

His sacking from Southampton from widely criticised as he was doing a good job.

To use that as a reason to slag him off is stupid.

Pete, are you unable to respond without making an offensive comment or trying to deride people? You let yourself down.

Of course the club has wider issues, but irrespective, I feel Adkins should be doing far better than he is, just my opinion.

As for Adkins, I have never "slagged him off", on the contrary I think he's more than a decent bloke, but feel he's not quite up to the job in hand at the moment. As for his dismissal from Southampton, there were indeed some who thought he was doing a good job, just not those who mattered ie Southampton's board.

 

[PeteBlade]

Pete, are you unable to respond without making an offensive comment or trying to deride people? You let yourself down.

Of course the club has wider issues, but irrespective, I feel Adkins should be doing far better than he is, just my opinion.

As for Adkins, I have never "slagged him off", on the contrary I think he's more than a decent bloke, but feel he's not quite up to the job in hand at the moment. As for his dismissal from Southampton, there were indeed some who thought he was doing a good job, just not those who mattered ie Southampton's board.

Describing something as 'stupid' is neither deriding someone or offensive.

I genuinely can't get my head round those who pull apart his record at Southampton or use his dismissal there as a reason to question that record.

At best, it's odd, or daft. And that's the least offensive way I can think to describe it.

Much like when Chris Hughton was sacked from Newcastle.

 

[wizadry]

Pete, are you unable to respond without making an offensive comment or trying to deride people? You let yourself down.

Of course the club has wider issues, but irrespective, I feel Adkins should be doing far better than he is, just my opinion.

As for Adkins, I have never "slagged him off", on the contrary I think he's more than a decent bloke, but feel he's not quite up to the job in hand at the moment. As for his dismissal from Southampton, there were indeed some who thought he was doing a good job, just not those who mattered ie Southampton's board.

The Saints board did say he had done a good job but to keep the momentum going they thought it would be better to get someone else in, a bit like the wendies did when Mandaric went for the jugular, a gamble that they are now reaping the rewards from.

 

[BushBlade]

Pete, are you unable to respond without making an offensive comment or trying to deride people? You let yourself down.

Of course the club has wider issues, but irrespective, I feel Adkins should be doing far better than he is, just my opinion.

As for Adkins, I have never "slagged him off", on the contrary I think he's more than a decent bloke, but feel he's not quite up to the job in hand at the moment. As for his dismissal from Southampton, there were indeed some who thought he was doing a good job, just not those who mattered ie Southampton's board.

It wasn't because they thought he was doing badly. It was because they had the opportunity to get someone they felt could take them to the next level, Pochettino.
There are very few managers who haven't had the sack, who aren't just starting out in their career.
Of Barny's three suggestions (which were reasonable) all have previously been sacked.

 

[Houston_Blade]

They've all proved they're able to prioritise and judge well.

Adkins has proved he absolutely can't.

If we'd have gone for an Edinburgh type everyone would have said it was taking a chance on a manager with little league experience.

Flitcroft is Keith Hill-lite and never did much at Barnsley, would be a gamble.

Powell is a half decent shout but nothing concrete to suggest he's better than Adkins.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

David Flitcroft
Justin Edinburgh
Chris Powell

Hahahahaha I knew it would be good

 

[LoughboroBlade]

David Flitcroft
Justin Edinburgh
Chris Powell

I thought you'd proposed Chris Morgan, or have you already sacked him from your list of suggested alternatives?

 

[Barney]

I thought you'd proposed Chris Morgan, or have you already sacked him from your list of suggested alternatives?

That was for this season to help bring the kids through.

There's not a chance in hell we're going up this season, so we might as well achieve something and get the youngsters some game time.

 

[PeteBlade]

That was for this season to help bring the kids through.

There's not a chance in hell we're going up this season, so we might as well achieve something and get the youngsters some game time.

Hiring Chris Morgan as manager would not automatically mean we'd play the youngsters.

Chances are, he'd utilise the same players, have the same issues, and be hindered by the same owners the current manager is.

 

[Deaneandagana]

Whatever you or I think about the current predicament the club finds itself in, there are some compelling facts that simply can't be ignored or papered over.

Firstly, we have the biggest crowds, biggest budget, best training facilities in other words the biggest & best infrastructure in this division in which to support the playing side, an example of this is that last season Chesterfield's annual wage bill was £1.8m, I suspect that the combined wages of Sharp, Hammond, Sammon, Collins and Brayford amounts to this alone - I accept that this alone is no guarantee of success but demonstrates we have the resources to attract a class of player that no other team in this division can and with these & other players (Done, Che, etc) this should be more than capable of getting us into s position to be competitive & challenge for an automatic promotion spot.

So, with the above in mind one has to look at the manager & his ability to gel the players & produce performances & coach tactics that deliver the levels of performances & results, sadly this I believe is the issue - allow me to elaborate.

I was at Walsall yesterday where we were comprehensively outplayed by a team with none of the infrastructure or size of budget or any of the other things we have. Man for man they were fitter & technically superior, they employed a style of play & tactics that they all understood & were comfortable with and which suited their players strengths.

In contrast we were leaden footed and displayed none of the technical capabilities - good first touch, able to pass to their own players, movement off the ball, quick feet, to which Walsall have.

Whilst I agree with other posters on this site who allude to other deeper issues within the club which are undoubtedly affecting and influencing the situation, the players performances and managerial deficiencies can not be ignored.

I believe the club needs a good football brain in the role of Director of football, the club the size of ours demands that someone with sound football experience & a measured management style should be brought in to guide the club in implementing both short & long term plans & importantly to assist with the clubs transfer policy.

I believe the manager is struggling with expectation levels, timescales and impatient owners demands, these alone will create and drive flawed decision making.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Whatever you or I think about the current predicament the club finds itself in, there are some compelling facts that simply can't be ignored or papered over.

Firstly, we have the biggest crowds, biggest budget, best training facilities in other words the biggest & best infrastructure in this division in which to support the playing side, an example of this is that last season Chesterfield's annual wage bill was £1.8m, I suspect that the combined wages of Sharp, Hammond, Sammon, Collins and Brayford amounts to this alone - I accept that this alone is no guarantee of success but demonstrates we have the resources to attract a class of player that no other team in this division can and with these & other players (Done, Che, etc) this should be more than capable of getting us into s position to be competitive & challenge for an automatic promotion spot.

So, with the above in mind one has to look at the manager & his ability to gel the players & produce performances & coach tactics that deliver the levels of performances & results, sadly this I believe is the issue - allow me to elaborate.

I was at Walsall yesterday where we were comprehensively outplayed by a team with none of the infrastructure or size of budget or any of the other things we have. Man for man they were fitter & technically superior, they employed a style of play & tactics that they all understood & were comfortable with and which suited their players strengths.

In contrast we were leaden footed and displayed none of the technical capabilities - good first touch, able to pass to their own players, movement off the ball, quick feet, to which Walsall have.

Whilst I agree with other posters on this site who allude to other deeper issues within the club which are undoubtedly affecting and influencing the situation, the players performances and managerial deficiencies can not be ignored.

I believe the club needs a good football brain in the role of Director of football, the club the size of ours demands that someone with sound football experience & a measured management style should be brought in to guide the club in implementing both short & long term plans & importantly to assist with the clubs transfer policy.

I believe the manager is struggling with expectation levels, timescales and impatient owners demands, these alone will create and drive flawed decision making.

yes, a well crafted post - and HOW long has Dean Smith been in charge at Walsall?

Since 2011...............and he played for them too.

I hope Adkins gets that long as I would "hope" to be banging on the Premiership door after that long.

UTB