A supporter cannot manage own team

[Edinblade]

I'm hearing Wilder could not speak to players after today's crappy efforts. That's because he's feeling the result like a supporter and not like a manager.
Any manager worth his salt would have been in the dressing room telling each and every player where and when they went wrong. Anyone who he felt hadn't given 100% should get a right ear full. Anyone who had made stupid errors needs telling. Anyone not playing to the required tactics needed telling. Any good manager would strike whilst the irons hot.
Trying to think like a manager, whilst really just thinking like a supporter will not work. Wilder has to choose between management and supporting because quite clearly the two don't mix.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

It worked alright for Warnock.

Only manager I can properly remember getting us a promotion.

He talks a good game and made some comments about the tactics and if partnerships were workings (which I hope were genuine reflections of the game he watched.) Otherwise he is Adkins with better interviews.

 

[Edinblade]

It worked with Warnock because Warnock managed first and supported second. He would always face up to the team after a match, whatever the result. Wilder needs to get a grip and get in the faces of the players not shirk away.

 

[ernie]

I'm hearing Wilder could not speak to players after today's crappy efforts. That's because he's feeling the result like a supporter and not like a manager.
Any manager worth his salt would have been in the dressing room telling each and every player where and when they went wrong. Anyone who he felt hadn't given 100% should get a right ear full. Anyone who had made stupid errors needs telling. Anyone not playing to the required tactics needed telling. Any good manager would strike whilst the irons hot.
Trying to think like a manager, whilst really just thinking like a supporter will not work. Wilder has to choose between management and supporting because quite clearly the two don't mix.

Dont particularly agree; I believe he as done the right thing, taking a step back and not firing into the team, who to be honest at this moment are totally disjointed and nothing like a team at all.

Wilder knows full well he as blundered with both his signings and his team choice, and captain choice (blundered)
I am not in any way sticking up for him but I believe he is in as much remorse for himself as the "team" and if he is a true manager he will take as much out on himself as the other 11..........
And like a true football manager I dont think he knows how to communicate properly.
At least we are not getting the media type bull that we got from his predecessor

 

[Rodders]

I'm hearing Wilder could not speak to players after today's crappy efforts. That's because he's feeling the result like a supporter and not like a manager.
Any manager worth his salt would have been in the dressing room telling each and every player where and when they went wrong. Anyone who he felt hadn't given 100% should get a right ear full. Anyone who had made stupid errors needs telling. Anyone not playing to the required tactics needed telling. Any good manager would strike whilst the irons hot.
Trying to think like a manager, whilst really just thinking like a supporter will not work. Wilder has to choose between management and supporting because quite clearly the two don't mix.

That makes no sense. A supporter would be lacing straight into them with the last 6 years pent up frustration inside. What's more managerial-like is, if fuming with the display, taking the time to choose his words, given that he actually has to work with them and try and get performances out of them in the future.

 

[Blade56]

Dont particularly agree; I believe he as done the right thing, taking a step back and not firing into the team, who to be honest at this moment are totally disjointed and nothing like a team at all.

Wilder knows full well he as blundered with both his signings and his team choice, and captain choice (blundered)
I am not in any way sticking up for him but I believe he is in as much remorse for himself as the "team" and if he is a true manager he will take as much out on himself as the other 11..........
And like a true football manager I dont think he knows how to communicate properly.
At least we are not getting the media type bull that we got from his predecessor

So basically you think he's failed to make one good decision. Sounds about..... Spot on

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I'm hearing Wilder could not speak to players after today's crappy efforts. That's because he's feeling the result like a supporter and not like a manager.
Any manager worth his salt would have been in the dressing room telling each and every player where and when they went wrong. Anyone who he felt hadn't given 100% should get a right ear full. Anyone who had made stupid errors needs telling. Anyone not playing to the required tactics needed telling. Any good manager would strike whilst the irons hot.
Trying to think like a manager, whilst really just thinking like a supporter will not work. Wilder has to choose between management and supporting because quite clearly the two don't mix.

Sometimes saying nowt is better than saying something . Wilder appears to be reflecting on the club and his own future .

He needs to have a clear vision of his own future first and foremost .

 

[Ted Hemsleys chads]

Oh my word what next? You can't have a blonde haired bloke coaching ginners? Can't have a fat bloke coaching skinny fellers? What the fuck will some of you come up with next?

This is embarrassing.

 

[spongebobblade]

It's easy to rant and rave but sometimes that can cause more damage than good. I suspect he had a good old rant Tuesday night and today decided to sleep on it and give it some extra thought before speaking to the players. Nowt wrong with that. Got nothing to do with whether he is a fan or not for me

 

[shorehamstreet1990]

It's easy to rant and rave but sometimes that can cause more damage than good. I suspect he had a good old rant Tuesday night and today decided to sleep on it and give it some extra thought before speaking to the players. Nowt wrong with that. Got nothing to do with whether he is a fan or not for me

Only so much ranting and raving can be done tbf before it all becomes the same. Just hope he has them in for extra training as it fucked off my Saturday and most likely Tufty's too.

 

[JJBlade]

Top quality players are self motivated, that's what gets them to the top and keeps them there.
Crap players need a constant rocket up their arses to at least try to get the best out of them

Now ask yourselves Why has only a Warnock or Bassett type of manager had even a miniscule amount of success here

 

[alcoblade]

Otherwise he is Adkins with better interviews.

A manager who hasnt been given enough time again?

 

[sitwell]

I'm hearing Wilder could not speak to players after today's crappy efforts. That's because he's feeling the result like a supporter and not like a manager.
Any manager worth his salt would have been in the dressing room telling each and every player where and when they went wrong. Anyone who he felt hadn't given 100% should get a right ear full. Anyone who had made stupid errors needs telling. Anyone not playing to the required tactics needed telling. Any good manager would strike whilst the irons hot.
Trying to think like a manager, whilst really just thinking like a supporter will not work. Wilder has to choose between management and supporting because quite clearly the two don't mix.

Some supporters cant support their own team ,can they ?

 

[Silent Blade]

I'm hearing Wilder could not speak to players after today's crappy efforts. That's because he's feeling the result like a supporter and not like a manager.
Any manager worth his salt would have been in the dressing room telling each and every player where and when they went wrong. Anyone who he felt hadn't given 100% should get a right ear full. Anyone who had made stupid errors needs telling. Anyone not playing to the required tactics needed telling. Any good manager would strike whilst the irons hot.
Trying to think like a manager, whilst really just thinking like a supporter will not work. Wilder has to choose between management and supporting because quite clearly the two don't mix.

I remember reading what Don Revie advised Terry Venables about talking to players after a defeat "After the game avoid talking to the players about the match immediately in the heat of the moment because the despondent players will find it hard to absorb what was being said and would ignore the shouting so all the talking "will be lost" . ... Therefore it is best for you to go through the process on Monday when the players will find it easier to absorb what you said and will be in a better frame of mind to look through the mistakes they had made!"

 

[The Glasshouse Blade]

I'm hearing Wilder could not speak to players after today's crappy efforts. That's because he's feeling the result like a supporter and not like a manager.
Any manager worth his salt would have been in the dressing room telling each and every player where and when they went wrong. Anyone who he felt hadn't given 100% should get a right ear full. Anyone who had made stupid errors needs telling. Anyone not playing to the required tactics needed telling. Any good manager would strike whilst the irons hot.
Trying to think like a manager, whilst really just thinking like a supporter will not work. Wilder has to choose between management and supporting because quite clearly the two don't mix.

Can I take it you are a professional football league manager to offer such a learnED insight in how best to manage, I heard his interview and he was eloquent, sensible, and of course extremely passionate, what he actually said was he needs to let the match sink in, let the season to date sink in, then on Monday sit with the team, that is a lot different to how you paint it oh learnED one.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Don't agree with the OP.

To be a success here you need to get some good players. A fan will want the best he can.
Maybe he could be accused of trying too hard...but I still fail to accept these players aren't good enough for L1.

We just need a few that have the ability to play higher than L1 too....Fleck is one....we need another with him, one in CB and one up front and we are sorted.

Set the team up to pass the ball first, get on the ball and get settled down. Get a clean sheet or two and make us dificult to lose. Build in that gradually.
Maybe Wilder has gone out expecting too much too soon from them.

 

[Barney]

Don't agree with the OP.

To be a success here you need to get some good players. A fan will want the best he can.
Maybe he could be accused of trying too hard...but I still fail to accept these players aren't good enough for L1.

We just need a few that have the ability to play higher than L1 too....Fleck is one....we need another with him, one in CB and one up front and we are sorted.

Set the team up to pass the ball first, get on the ball and get settled down. Get a clean sheet or two and make us dificult to lose. Build in that gradually.
Maybe Wilder has gone out expecting too much too soon from them.

I think Wilder has ultimately underestimated the job. He was perhaps clouded by his success at Northampton and didn't quite realise what he had let himself in for. This is backed up by some of the things he's been saying after matches, like "I'm realising" this and that... "I'm learning about the players, even the one's I've brought in". He came in riding a big wave, now it's shattered on the shoreline he's a bit lost.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Top quality players are self motivated, that's what gets them to the top and keeps them there.
Crap players need a constant rocket up their arses to at least try to get the best out of them

Now ask yourselves Why has only a Warnock or Bassett type of manager had even a miniscule amount of success here

Because as we have seen and still have dicumentary videos to prove it, they both laid into their teams for crap performances.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

WILL EVERYONE JUST CALM DOWN??

 

[PokerBlade]

I think trying to make guesses about Wilder's psychology is speculative at best. There's no reason you can't perform for a club you love.

Probably better to consider tactical failures and players under performing before getting all Freudian about it.

 

[spongebobblade]

WILL EVERYONE JUST CALM DOWN??

Post of the day. Take a bow

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I think trying to make guesses about Wilder's psychology is speculative at best. There's no reason you can't perform for a club you love.

Probably better to consider tactical failures and players under performing before getting all Freudian about it.

As a Psychologist, I agree.

 

[Toronto Blade]

Because as we have seen and still have dicumentary videos to prove it, they both laid into their teams for crap performances.

Warnock saved money on paint for the dressing room he spilt blood in there.

 

[super_pig]

Some supporters cant support their own team ,can they ?

there isn't much hope to cling to atm

 

[PokerBlade]

As a Psychologist, I agree.

Your willingness to agree probably stems from early abandonment issues. It's why you cling to a club that accepts you yet simultaneously reinforces your subconscious belief that all emotional investments end in failure.