A neet in West London - Ollessendro's QPR experience

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Ollessendro’s 4th visit to Loftus Road turned out to be a miserable one, as United were thoroughly outplayed by a much better side. I was in fairly upbeat mood when I had a couple of ale’s in the boozer before the game, but my mood changes when I saw the team sheet. Seeing Collins starting sent chills right through me. Watching QPR slickly pass the ball about and United chase shadows I quickly realised any hopes of nicking a draw were futile. The defence looked terrified of Taarbart and they looked more jittery than I felt.

Support: There were only a few hundred United fans and we really struggled to get behind the team. At 0-0 we were getting easily out sung and then when we fell behind it got worse. As the game slipped away from us chants got more desperate and tended to focus on abusing Kenny or insulting QPR. I looked round mid way through the second half and have never seen much a bunch of depressed fans. People sat with their head in their hands, or rolling their eyes, right through to bollocking the efforts of Noz and Henderson. A thoroughly depressing atmosphere on a horrible night to be a Blade.

The game (and United): I am sure you all watched the game, so I won’t do a report. I actually thought that we weren’t that bad and 3-0 flattered them. I mean, there was a big gulf in class, but if you look at efforts on goals, corners etc then we were fairly equal. A mixture of class and clownery gave QPR a very easy win.
Whilst it was 1-1 we still looked in the game and we had a couple of chances. However we didn’t really have any sort of cutting edge. From the stands I never thought we looked like getting in the game. QPR moved the ball easily and sliced through us at free will. We had to work hard for our chances, but I thought Quinn was tireless and our only real dangerous player.

As per usual the defence cost us. Collins played the winger onside and then (with 3 red and white shirts in the box and one blue and white) QPR managed to score. Hopeless marking and ball watching from Nosworthy and Collins gifted the league leaders the lead. Game over. The comedy second goal was nothing short of school boy stuff. Noz in no danger and in tow minds managed to somehow give away a corner (even if it wasn’t) through incredibly poor footballing skills. From the resulting corner QPR scored again. It was a great strike, but where were the men on the edge of the box? And what a soft clearance. Good strike, piss poor defending on many accounts.

The 3rd was pure class. QPR were in fine flow and really punished us. I clapped the goal as it is one of the best I’ve seen live for a while.

But credit where it is due. We battled back hard at 1 nil down and came back into the game. We didn’t have a lot of penetration, but we came back into it. We had a couple of chances (I remember a couple of shots, Hendo header and Quinn bursting through) and although never really looking like scoring, we worked hard. Quinn was at the centre of everything and Monty broke up QPR attacks well.

However, I thought Boggy and Ched were poor, Henderson won 1 header all night, Doyle is awful and Nos/Collins/Mattock were embarrassing in that they cannot control a ball or pass 5 yards to another Blades player.

QPR: you can see why they are up there. They are solid, they pass the ball well, they have pace and creativity, they are dangerous and they ooze confidence. I was particularly impressed by their number 11 (just looked him up - Alejandro Faurlin). He is a class act. Strong, good on the ball, always an option and did a brilliant job of breaking up our attacks. Derry did a good defensive job, Hall had Henderson in his pocket and I’ve always rated Gjorks. Routledge is dangerous and (although quiet last night) Taarbart can unlock defences. They just have a strong team with the likes of Helgusson, Orr and Smith (as well as the others mentioned) all comfortable on the ball.

Adams: he went for it and I cannot blame him for that. Realistically I think we were never going to get anything out of the game and hence it would be harsh to criticise him too much. He looked desperate, despondent and lost out on the touchline, but I think I would be. I think it would only be fair to give him the next 2 home games (rather than judge him for an away defeat to the best team in the league).

That said he persists with Collins, Nosworthy and Doyle who are all embarssments to the shirt. They are clowns and it amazes me they are professional footballers. Adams two permanent signings are the worst players in the team and this does not give me confidence. People keep saying ‘give Micky time’, ‘he’ll build a squad’ and the likes, but can he? Can you really see Micky Adams building a team capable of within League One, based on his signings so far? With the exception of Riise and Vokes they have all been flops. Worse still we are stuck with Collins and Doyle who I doubt are good enough for League One.

The long walk home: Last night was a thoroughly depressing night for me. I did not enjoy the game at all. The atmosphere was flat and our performance not good enough. This was my fifth straight loss in a row and we have not managed a single goal in any of those games (and conceded 11). I should just stop going and (I am sad to say) that I am pleased that I will not be going to another game until August.

I walked back from Loftus Road to my home in Putney Bridge and pondered. Yesterday evening was a real low point for me. I know that I should not have expected anything from the game, but it was so depressing in the Blades end. When you look at the fat that the last 6 games I have been to we have not scored a single goal and have lost the last 5, then it probably tells you why. How the fuck am I supposed to get behind Adams when I have travelled to Watford, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Palace and QPR and we’ve not only lost, but we haven’t scored and single goal and conceded 11??

Last night was the all time low point of supporting United. I started going in 1993 and although we’ve had some bad times I have never felt so dejected. I’ve never seen such a bunch of wankers representing the club. I haven’t seen such a persistent run of crap performances. Never seen such clown like, school boy defending every single week. Relegation smacked me in the face and all I could think about was dark times ahead. I was almost in tears walking home and little could do to pick up my mood.
 



Chin up pal. They'll always be there to torment so dont force yourself to put up with it. Football has become a farce anyway.....I'm getting sick of the whole thing to be honest. Apart from the corruption and piss poor refereeing its full of idealistic media driven tripe that makes me wonder how the game I fell in love with became such a circus.
 
Didn't go in the end. Watched it in the pub with a few other non-attending London blade wankers ;)

Certainly not the worst I've ever felt after a game though.
 
>I started going in 1993 and although we’ve had some bad times I have never felt so dejected
it's not all bad.. think yourself lucky you missed the 1981 side then olle ;)

>the game I fell in love with became such a circus
it's not just me then??
 
Didn't go in the end. Watched it in the pub with a few other non-attending London blade wankers ;)

Certainly not the worst I've ever felt after a game though.

Maybe the right decision Highbury. Can't condone watching the game in the ale house when you could have been there, but I am sure you guys don't regret it. It was a combination of things that lead me to feel that (recent games, money spent on tickets/booze/food/travel, general predicament, atmosphere, clowns wearing the shirt, boredom, despair ... ).
 
we're going down the pan and there is no fight whatsoever.. if someone doesn't stop this rot of shit players who don't care and appalling football with poor results then we will freefall straight through div 3 to div 4 (sorry i still use the old terms)
 
Adams: he went for it and I cannot blame him for that. Realistically I think we were never going to get anything out of the game and hence it would be harsh to criticise him too much. He looked desperate, despondent and lost out on the touchline, but I think I would be. I think it would only be fair to give him the next 2 home games (rather than judge him for an away defeat to the best team in the league).

Correct me if i am wrong but it sounds to me like you are becoming a bit of an adams lover and you are starting to feel sorry for him?. His tactics were all wrong playing boggy and evans wide was just won't work, it is ok saying he went for it but you have to have a game plan to go with it, now 4-4-2 with yeates and riise wide would have been going for it in my eyes and he has to take as much blame as anyone. I think it is very fair to judge him against an average QPR performance and i would have fancied a lot of teams to beat them last night. Mickey adams is another tactically inept manager who has to shoulder the blame to a lot of the performances this year and remember when he took over we weren't in the bottom 3.
 
I went too ,my thoughts:
Simmonson ,defence have no confidence in him ,summed up with an awful pass to Collins putting him under pressure ,some good saves 2 nd half but not good enough.
Nosworthy - one of the worst displays from a United player in living memory ,he is pure shit ,the rest of the team are bricking it everytime the ball goes near him and Collins and Lawton are always following him about to mop up his mistakes. Why Parrino isn't playing I will never know ,he must never wear a United shirt again.I agree with an earlier poster ,he was the reason we lost last night.
Lowton - Steady ,did a decent job considering his experience and the twats around him.
Collins - I actually thought he had a decent game in the air and was our best defender but my heart sunk when he was on the team sheet and lowery wasn't.
Mattock - an accident waiting to happen although he was up against a class player in Routledge.
Montgomery - I am a supporter but he had an off night ,was better at right back once Nosworthy had departed.
Doyle - this 3 some of Monty Doyle and Quinn ,although having limitations has looked OK as long as the forwards and full backs play well ,they didn't, it didn't ,he isn't good enough.
Quinn ,tried as did most of the others but there is no final ball from him and he still hides when covering back. Probably the pick of last night though.
Henderson ,thankless task as target man won quite a few but it doesn't look good unless your partners are switched on , ours weren't, it looked crap.He gets no protection from referees whatsoever .
Evans - if he had turned up it would have helped.
Bogdanovic - never looks good enough when starting ,deceptively weak for a big man and should only be used as an impact player. Bad miss probably cost us any chance of getting anything.

Riise ,should have started looks lively and composed ,again a final ball is needed. What was he doing after the match ?
Bent ,we looked much better up front ,he has better instinct, control and strength than Evans and Boggy but whether he has the backbone and desire is questionable. A shame because I actually think he is the most talented forward we have.
Yeates ,frustrating to the extreme ,he actaully had 3 good opportunities in his short cameo ,but as usual frustrates the hell out of you.

Adams ,shocking body language from him and Cork ,Warnock would not have sat down and accepted defeat with half an hour remaining ,grow some bollocks and get in to the players if they aren't performing ,we know they aren't good enough but shrugging shoulders and leaning on the dugout isn't going to get that extra yard.

Qpr ,subbuteo ground ,too far from Shephards Bush tube ,great view front row top tier ,fat wanker in the goal never even made eye contact with us ,Warnock gave us a clap , Taarabt was awful ,billy big time in his gloves and was thier weak link ,just wanted to be circus clown. Routledge was unplayable ,thier only true premiership player with the fat keeper. Derry is everything our midfield aspire to.

Ealing was boring ,everything shut at midnight ,nice curry at Hanger Lane.
 
Don't often find myself in full agreement with you but that's absolutely word perfect for me Sitters.
 
I went too ,my thoughts:
Simmonson ,defence have no confidence in him ,summed up with an awful pass to Collins putting him under pressure ,some good saves 2 nd half but not good enough.
Nosworthy - one of the worst displays from a United player in living memory ,he is pure shit ,the rest of the team are bricking it everytime the ball goes near him and Collins and Lawton are always following him about to mop up his mistakes. Why Parrino isn't playing I will never know ,he must never wear a United shirt again.I agree with an earlier poster ,he was the reason we lost last night.
Lowton - Steady ,did a decent job considering his experience and the twats around him.
Collins - I actually thought he had a decent game in the air and was our best defender but my heart sunk when he was on the team sheet and lowery wasn't.
Mattock - an accident waiting to happen although he was up against a class player in Routledge.
Montgomery - I am a supporter but he had an off night ,was better at right back once Nosworthy had departed.
Doyle - this 3 some of Monty Doyle and Quinn ,although having limitations has looked OK as long as the forwards and full backs play well ,they didn't, it didn't ,he isn't good enough.
Quinn ,tried as did most of the others but there is no final ball from him and he still hides when covering back. Probably the pick of last night though.
Henderson ,thankless task as target man won quite a few but it doesn't look good unless your partners are switched on , ours weren't, it looked crap.He gets no protection from referees whatsoever .
Evans - if he had turned up it would have helped.
Bogdanovic - never looks good enough when starting ,deceptively weak for a big man and should only be used as an impact player. Bad miss probably cost us any chance of getting anything.

Riise ,should have started looks lively and composed ,again a final ball is needed. What was he doing after the match ?
Bent ,we looked much better up front ,he has better instinct, control and strength than Evans and Boggy but whether he has the backbone and desire is questionable. A shame because I actually think he is the most talented forward we have.
Yeates ,frustrating to the extreme ,he actaully had 3 good opportunities in his short cameo ,but as usual frustrates the hell out of you.

Adams ,shocking body language from him and Cork ,Warnock would not have sat down and accepted defeat with half an hour remaining ,grow some bollocks and get in to the players if they aren't performing ,we know they aren't good enough but shrugging shoulders and leaning on the dugout isn't going to get that extra yard.

Qpr ,subbuteo ground ,too far from Shephards Bush tube ,great view front row top tier ,fat wanker in the goal never even made eye contact with us ,Warnock gave us a clap , Taarabt was awful ,billy big time in his gloves and was thier weak link ,just wanted to be circus clown. Routledge was unplayable ,thier only true premiership player with the fat keeper. Derry is everything our midfield aspire to.

Ealing was boring ,everything shut at midnight ,nice curry at Hanger Lane.

Nar that's a proper report! :D tha's gone n upstaged me.

On QPR, I'd argue that they have several players who are Premiership quality. Routledge, Faurlin (my m/o/m), Taarbart (though he had an off night), Kenny (as much as I think he's a twat) and then a few others who will be there or there abouts (Helgusson, Gorks, Orr and Smith)

Other than that, top stuff.

Correct me if i am wrong but it sounds to me like you are becoming a bit of an adams lover and you are starting to feel sorry for him?. His tactics were all wrong playing boggy and evans wide was just won't work, it is ok saying he went for it but you have to have a game plan to go with it, now 4-4-2 with yeates and riise wide would have been going for it in my eyes and he has to take as much blame as anyone. I think it is very fair to judge him against an average QPR performance and i would have fancied a lot of teams to beat them last night. Mickey adams is another tactically inept manager who has to shoulder the blame to a lot of the performances this year and remember when he took over we weren't in the bottom 3.

You can stop there. Did you read the next paragraph? I slated him for his crap signings and said that I have serious doubts about whether he can take us forward. However, I think he had an uphill task last night. QPR are the best team in the league and are simply much better than us. Therefore I am intrigued to see if Adams can get a result against Boro and then subsequently Cardiff. Both winnables games for me.

I do not feel sorry for Adams. He has taken us from a team looking like the 5th/6th best, that might flirt with relegation to certainties for the drop. His record is appalling. He has made some poor signings and poor decisions. But he just started to get us playing and then we had an enforeced break and the best team in the division. I can't see the point in sacking him now and think we should see what happens at the weekend. If I was McCabe I'd be saying 'show me what you can do before now and May, otherwise you'll be gone'.
 
Some very good points here, thanks to Ollie and Sitwell for the reports from two differing perspectives (Ollie matchday experience, Sitwell's short sharp ratings), I watched it on TV, but as I was a little preoccupied chatting in the Shoutbox, I didn't spend time analysing every detail. I then put myself through the highlights on the BBC later on!

A couple of comments though...

The majority of the prematch comments were saying don't change a winning side, just bring in Hendo for Vokes. Adams did this. Would he have been better off playing a Blackwell style 4-5-1 and strangling the game? One thing that you can't criticise Adams for is setting his team up to play in an effective attacking way. It worked v Leeds, so why not do the same against QPR. Afterall, many people last season were saying "lets not worry about the opposition, let them worry about us"

With Collins, unfortunately it seems we had no choice. Lowry was injured. I honestly would've then played 3 at the back instead of putting Collins in!

Gameplan - true it was very one dimensional. Perhaps we were spoilt with NW, but NW seemed to be able to change the game if things weren't working. Robson, Blackwell, Speed, Carver and Adams have all struggled in this respect. I'll say that Blackwell and Adams have managed it a little. Perhaps Adams could do more, but he doesn't have reliable players in back up.

Substitutions were predictable and late, I don't remember .

My opinion is that Adams needs to be bolder, he needs to lose the fear which he has - Throw on 2 subs at half time. Haul off the offenders. Try a little bit of a gung ho attitude at times. We've nothing to lose now and we need to frighten teams. Nobody fears us. Everyone wants to play us.

The only thing I will honestly take from this game is the mistakes for the goals weren't penalties or from the normal bobbles from corners, we kept 11 men on the field and Henderson got 90 mins. Thats all I can grasp at.
 
Just watched the highlights. Confirms most of my original points. A couple of additional notes:

- 1st goal. What a joke. Collins playing him on side and then Noz ball watching.
- Quinn going down was never a pen
- Boggy missing that sitter could have been crucial. We'd probably have lost, but you never know. It would have lifted the fans and perhaps the team. You cannot miss chances like that when you, never mind when you are in the bottom 3 and playing top of the league. We had chances at 1-0 down and blew them!
- Poor clearance from Lowton on QPR's 2nd and where was Monty, Doyle and crew on the edge of the area. Great strike though.
- Video footage did not do the 3rd justice. There was more of a build up. Great finish to top off a very good move.
- QPR missed several chances (Helgusson sitter first half, that long range effort from the left back and that sitter by the black guy at the end).
- Move of the game was when the blackk guy fired over. Absolute poetry from QPR and we were at our shadow chasing best.

Highlights are actually a fair reflection of the game. We could have had something, but the difference in class showed. Can't afford to give teams like QPR early easter eggs!?
 
Just watched the highlights. Confirms most of my original points. A couple of additional notes:

- Quinn going down was never a pen

Defo pen as Hall was miles behind him. Quinn was pulled one way and then shoved over. The ref was trying to catch up and was unsighted.
 
Defo pen as Hall was miles behind him. Quinn was pulled one way and then shoved over. The ref was trying to catch up and was unsighted.

It would have been very soft. I didn't think it was in the stand and nor do I from watching the replay half a dozen times. Hall touched him and Quinn seemed in two minds as to whether to go down or stride on. He did neither properly. It was minimal contact.
 



It would have been very soft. I didn't think it was in the stand and nor do I from watching the replay half a dozen times. Hall touched him and Quinn seemed in two minds as to whether to go down or stride on. He did neither properly. It was minimal contact.

Nah it was definately a pen for me. I was pretty convinced when I first saw it but having watched the reply there's no doubt. Hall has his hand on Quinn's arm/shoulder and then briefly grabs his shirt.....he never plays the ball so for me the ref has to give it but as I said yesterday, I simply rolled my eyes and carried on supping my beer when it was waived away. We dont get those.
 
eee, bar, gum, it's a man's game tha noz Steel. Penalties for putting tha hand on t'kids shoulder, when he's shootin, t'world's gone mad.
 
Nah it was definately a pen for me. I was pretty convinced when I first saw it but having watched the reply there's no doubt. Hall has his hand on Quinn's arm/shoulder and then briefly grabs his shirt.....he never plays the ball so for me the ref has to give it but as I said yesterday, I simply rolled my eyes and carried on supping my beer when it was waived away. We dont get those.

I agree with you there but the one thing the ref would have to do would be send hall off and there was no way that ref was going to do that.
 
eee, bar, gum, it's a man's game tha noz Steel. Penalties for putting tha hand on t'kids shoulder, when he's shootin, t'world's gone mad.

Bit of a difference mic. He's pulling at the player and not playing the ball (and he's behind him), therefore gaining an unfair advantage.

By the way you still haven't responded to me in the other thread. Selective posting?
 
We should be focusing on Bogdanovic's miss (criminal) or defensive errors (hammered in other threads) rather than focusing on this 'penalty incident'. If that had been given against United we'd have been livid. The contact was absolute minimal and (for me) it was a never a pen. He brushed Quinn with his hand and I did not see a shirt pull. Quinn's appeal was half hearted and no other United players appealed. My appeal from the stand was half hearted (as was all the people around me).

If anything we should be focusing on Quinn missing the opportunity. He was infront of Hall, had the momentum, got caught in two minds, half took a dive and let the ball slip from his control. This is probably harsh on Quinn (as he was our best player by a long way) but Routledge, Helgusson, Faurlin or Taarbart in the same position would have buried the opportunity (or in Taarbart''s case dive properly and won the pen!?).
 

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