5 leagues of 20

[SB_90]

Think youve had a whoosh moment there.

Have I missed some hidden meaning in it

 

[Gordon cowans]

A spokesperson has said "the proposed 5 league structure is to benefit the working man paying on the turnstile and all thats good about following your team in modern day England,sky would also like to announce the new star wars movie is available to pre order at £7.99."

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Have I missed some hidden meaning in it

Errr, yes S_B90, I think you possibly have

 

[Booker4]

Few points stand out to me from this: There will be little or no consultation with supporters, and certainly no way in which supporters can vote, meaning that the fans will be affected by a decision that they have no say in. No difference there I know, but this is a fundamental change, the biggest since the inception of the premier league.

It will mean much less mid week football which would be a massive shame, games under light are often the best for atmosphere. The guy who is proposing this called Harvey says that mid week games usually result in lower crowds particularly for teams where a longer distance is the case. Well try not giving us Colchester midweek as they have the last two seasons for starters! I mean we have Barnsley, Donny, Chesterfield plus a host of Lancashire clubs and yet we played Colchester midweek two seasons running.

We should scrap the JPT - its a joke competition and if needs be the League Cup can go as well, as opposed reducing league football which is the bedrock for every football fan. They're also looking at a winter break, even though crowds are the best in the country on these dates. Funnily that wasn't mentioned by Harvey. Seems the main argument for this is a fixture congestion that the Football League and the Premier League are finding increasingly difficult. Well maybe that's because we've now got European Leagues alongside the Premier League in the form of the Champions League and the Europa League. As I said earlier, the fixture congestion for Leagues 1 and 2 is made increasingly harder by the JPT and the League Cup, - they should be the first to go. I mean, will any fan of a club in Leagues 1 and 2 think oh no the JPT has gone! Thankfully they have ruled out the introduction of B sides. Every so often we seem to be faced with some stupid idea that might be well intended but is clearly not well thought out for supporters. They should be trying to make fan experiences better not worse. I'd not be against Celtic and Rangers joining, or a North and South League's 1 and 2, but this doesn't appear to be part of the process. I mean going to places like Cheltenham, Yeovil and Plymouth isn't much fun, and it would mean higher attendances due to locality if the North and South Division 3 was re-introduced. That's my thoughts, but I am comforted by the fact that 90% of clubs have to approve it, so hopefully it will be rejected, particularly from the lower end Championship clubs that will have to face 7 teams relegated in the last season of the existing format. I mean why can't they phase that for 4 teams over 3 seasons rather than doing it all at once! Who thinks of these ideas!!? Must be more businessmen rather than football men as usual, and no doubt money is the main factor, although I can only see teams losing money because of less games, unless the Premier League finally allows greater distribution from the insane monies that are pumped into the Premier League from their TV rights.

 

[metalblade]

A stupid idea for lower league clubs who mostly rely on matchday revenue to survive, clubs will have to increase match tickets in the remaining games just to make up the shortfall of losing 3-4 home games. Now if the league want to reduce the number of games played they could start with scrapping the meaningless JPT, and how exactly would a four team league system before the knock out stages of the league cup cut down on the number of games played? The so called difficulties of fans going to night games is a problem solely down to the football league no one else, we should be playing local (within 40 miles) teams on night games but no every year the fixture list throws up games at the other end of the country where you have to book time off work just to get there and then end up getting home at 3am. League clubs only play 46 games to accommodate the Premiership darlings having a easy life, make em play 42 games per season like we did in the past and let them utilise their huge squads if they are playing in Europe. The game is run by idiots

 

[Sean Thornton]

Not great for those of us who work Saturdays. If there hadn't been any mid week games tHis year I would have only seen them once this year. Wait a moment, maybe this is not such a bad idea.

Don't worry, European games are still played midweek ( at the mo) so only a couple of years to wait.

 

[SB_90]

Errr, yes S_B90, I think you possibly have

well if thats the case then i do apolgise

 

[Sean Thornton]

A stupid idea for lower league clubs who mostly rely on matchday revenue to survive, clubs will have to increase match tickets in the remaining games just to make up the shortfall of losing 3-4 home games. Now if the league want to reduce the number of games played they could start with scrapping the meaningless JPT, and how exactly would a four team league system before the knock out stages of the league cup cut down on the number of games played? The so called difficulties of fans going to night games is a problem solely down to the football league no one else, we should be playing local (within 40 miles) teams on night games but no every year the fixture list throws up games at the other end of the country where you have to book time off work just to get there and then end up getting home at 3am. League clubs only play 46 games to accommodate the Premiership darlings having a easy life, make em play 42 games per season like we did in the past and let them utilise their huge squads if they are playing in Europe. The game is run by idiots

Spot on.

 

[Tezza1889]

Heard that Premier League B teams will make up some of that.

They can fuck right off with that idea.

And on that day I will not pay money to see us play against a b team, it will be time for golf every Saturday from that day on...

 

[mattbianco1]

Not an awful idea...unless premier league B teams get introduced at which point I'd probably stop following football.

Wonder how promotions/relegations would work the season before, be typical of us to get promoted from league one that season but because of league restructuring stay in the 3rd division.

They said 8 teams would come up in one season from conference.

If its going ahead they need to phase it in gradually somehow. Start reducing the CH and L1 by a team a year but increase conference and L2 with the bottom 10 and top 10 merging eventually.

8 promotions would be ridiculous and has a knock on effect throughout the pyramid to the bottom

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

well if thats the case then i do apolgise

Hey S_B90, no need for any apology my friend.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

A high quality "whoosh" there from GreasyChipBeattie ...

Reminiscent of Roberto Carlos v France.

I do love a "good whoosh" ...

 

[blade.i.am]

Don't worry, European games are still played midweek ( at the mo) so only a couple of years to wait.

Just realised, I'm retiring in September 2019, looking forward to my first season ticket so no longer give a toss about midweek games. Besides which that's the season the Prince predicted we would be back in the Prem. As if!

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

How about 24 leagues of 4?
Top 2 go up, bottom 2 go down.
No more of those wretched play-off campaign failures.
The 4 teams in each league play each other 14 times a season, 7 at home and 7 away.
21 home games, 21 away games, 42 in total.
It would be just like the good old days.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Just realised, I'm retiring in September 2019, looking forward to my first season ticket so no longer give a toss about midweek games. Besides which that's the season the Prince predicted we would be back in the Prem. As if!

Kinell b.i.m. You've only just realised you'll be retiring in three years?
Whassup? You crap at maths or something?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

How about 24 leagues of 4?
Top 2 go up, bottom 2 go down.
No more of those wretched play-off campaign failures.
The 4 teams in each league play each other 14 times a season, 7 at home and 7 away.
21 home games, 21 away games, 42 in total.
It would be just like the good old days.

But we'd get Plymouth, Portsmouth and Carlisle

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

The usual utter bollox from our footballing lords & masters, full of Adkinsesque vacuousness (hiding their true intent).

"It's about taking a step back to try to work out what is best for English football" - "We hope ... this first step is a catalyst for future change."
"The whole game needs to come together"
"it's about finding solutions [to what??] that support English football for the future."
"It is going to be interesting to see how fans accept this. I'm hopeful it will be positive."

Fundamental changes then. With no reasoning at all for why such sweeping changes are needed. And despite the quite possible fatal consequences of these changes for quite a few smaller clubs.

As Bradford's chairman says: "We've had this structure for years because it has suited the majority of clubs, so why change it?"

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The usual utter bollox from our footballing lords & masters, full of Adkinsesque vacuousness (hiding their true intent).

"It's about taking a step back to try to work out what is best for English football" - "We hope ... this first step is a catalyst for future change."
"The whole game needs to come together"
"it's about finding solutions [to what??] that support English football for the future."
"It is going to be interesting to see how fans accept this. I'm hopeful it will be positive."

Fundamental changes then. With no reasoning at all for why such sweeping changes are needed. And despite the quite possible fatal consequences of these changes for quite a few smaller clubs.

As Bradford's chairman says: "We've had this structure for years because it has suited the majority of clubs, so why change it?"

Clubs costs spread over 38 games instead of 42/46?

Best get yer hands in yer pockets then.


'B' teams?

Where do the 20 B's play?
What happens when 18 of the B's are in the 2nd? Two clubs guaranteed promotion before a ball is kicked?
What happens when all 20 B's get in the 2nd?

No-one has thought it out or if they have they are as thick as horse shit.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

I like it personally, after the last few seasons "entertainment", a reduction in matches sounds bloody brilliant!

Yeah but what's the chance we be paying the same money for a season ticket, the idea is all about money and its our money they are talking about.

 

[Bladesman]

If it's going to contain Premier League B teams then we can take our ball home now.

Also I don't like the fact it may eliminate mid week matches.

Just bin the tinpot paint trophy and leave it at that for now.

 

[bricktop]

I think 5 Divisions of 20 is a superb idea. It would give the British game scope for a winter break, which i think is needed, and it would also benefit the fans as January can be notorious for postponed games. Less night games would also be a step in the right direction for the regular supporters as well, because it would take away a lot of the long, midweek away trips where often you don't get in until after midnight.

I'm dead set against 'B' teams being allowed to enter the football pyramid as it will have a negative impact on the integrity of competiton. If it got increased to 100 clubs i can also see the Old Firm coming sniffing round, as it is well known that they want to leave Scotland. I don't think allowing Scottish clubs in to the Pyramid would be a bad idea to be totally honest. The Old Firm would make the Premiership even more competitive, and the next tier of Scottish clubs would add to the English game. Could see Hibs/Hearts/Aberdeen easily making Championship level.

What it would need is uniform promotion and relegation. 3 down and 2 up and the play offs. I would also relegate 3 from the League every season as well, as there is barely any gap between the bottom end of League 2, and the top of the conference, and the conference would be the genuine 6th tier, before it goes in to the regional pyramids.

 

[S60 unitedite]

Would be an end for me if it included b teams, it would just defeat the whole idea of the competition that all the clubs are involved in.
Agree with some that they could get rid of the paint trophy. If they want rid of mid week games because of poor attendances then those games are the worst followed possible.
But i like the idea of having 5 leagues of 20. I think with the number of professional teams in the conference and the way it is set up with only one automatic promotion place needs addressing. The number of teams that have back to back promotions from conference to league one shows that the competition is there to incorporate more teams x

 

[Booker4]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36338566

An interesting read above and for those (like me) that are against the proposals it seems that there will be quite a few chairman that won't vote for it, certainly the bottom half of the Championship teams. I think they need to re-think their proposals, as they did the B sides. I don't get why the football league and the Premier League are interested in this particular overhaul because what's wrong with the existing system! We're always subject to stupid ideas to change something that isn't even broken! The real changes that I think are needed to the game are things like:

1 Implementing a wage cap for teams in both the football league and the Premier League. The FFP is a joke and needs scrapping in favour of a more stringent structure without loopholes as obvious as if you get promoted to the Premier League from overspending (as everyone's now favourites Leicester City did) and then just receive a fine when a heavier punishment was needed like a transfer embargo, but because the Premier League is a separate body they have their own separate rules which seem far less interested in curtailing spending.
2 Implementing cheaper tickets or at least encouraging clubs to have a more fairly priced ticket price. Only fans groups bang the drum for this.
3 Reducing not increasing the parachute payments which just allow elaborate spending for relegated teams from the Premier League.
4 Distributing the payment for Premier League revenue far more evenly to all football League teams, as opposed to the huge gap between revenues of the Premier League and the football league. Surely the tv money could be distributed, as opposed to just dividing the money from SKY to the 20 clubs and then the obvious difference from the football league tv deal.

These are the issues I want to see tackled, not trying to get B sides into the league and now this! The problem with proposals for cheaper tickets and more distribution of wealth is that, as in the world as a whole, those with the money never want to spread it to those that have less. You might be able to tell I'm a socialist!

 

[JJ Sefton]

Fuck this shit.

 

[Booker4]

Would be an end for me if it included b teams, it would just defeat the whole idea of the competition that all the clubs are involved in.
Agree with some that they could get rid of the paint trophy. If they want rid of mid week games because of poor attendances then those games are the worst followed possible.
But i like the idea of having 5 leagues of 20. I think with the number of professional teams in the conference and the way it is set up with only one automatic promotion place needs addressing. The number of teams that have back to back promotions from conference to league one shows that the competition is there to incorporate more teams x

Just to be certain, because almost many posters have said about B sides. B sides ARE NOT PART OF THIS PROPOSAL!

But he dismissed suggestions Premier League clubs could field B teams in the lower divisions.

Its not a direct quote but it comes from the BBC.The full article is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36335384

Of interest in the article above is that already three chairman have expressed their disapproval and its only a few hours old. There needs to be only 8 clubs that reject this in the league and then its kicked into touch. I'm almost certain given the obvious stupidity of the idea that there will be another 5 clubs that reject it! I mean, how do they plan to make up for the loss in revenue from a reduced league programme? Certainly not by distributing the wealth from tv money that's for sure! It's always been pull up the ladder jack right from the start of the inception of the Premier League. Also when will the FA stop going on and on about the importance of the national team! I'm sorry but whilst we all want a top national side, club football matters more and these proposals are only going to decrease, not increase the enjoyment for followers of club football. We can still have a decent national team with or without a winter break and with or without an extra 4 teams in each league. The vast majority of England players come from thee Premier League which isn't going to change in numbers anyway. They never talk about educing the Champions League down to just champions like it used to be back in the day.

 

[robbiez666]

rich wanker plastic clubs upset by the likes of Leicester trying to fight back, Pathetic. It will be passed because £££££££ means more than any law.

Football has got to the stage of being pointless. If a small club succeeds the big clubs will do anything to stop it happening again.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36338566


2 Implementing cheaper tickets or at least encouraging clubs to have a more fairly priced ticket price. Only fans groups bang the drum for this.

Good luck with that when the clubs need to pay wages out of 38 games instead of 46.

If a club needs a fan to fork out £28 for a ticket then expect him to cough up £34 instead, still up for it?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I think this proposal is a "stalking horse" that the League know will get rejected but they will then come back with a watered down proposal like having 22 teams per league and phasing it in more gradually.

The bottom line is that there is no massive fixture congestion problem if you're not a club in Europe or one with a permanently waterlogged pitch.

The "computer" that arranges the fixtures could easily be programmed to only arrange midweek matches between teams that are geographically close to each other.

Most fans enjoy midweek night league matches and it would be a major blow to lose them forever. Playing three JPT qualifying matches instead is a chore not compensation.

Who has asked for this to be changed other than the big clubs who already have far too much influence over OUR game.

 

[Lawrence]

There would have to be more of the TV money coming down the leagues to compensate for the loss in revenue I guess. I don't think it's a bad thing to reduce fixtures to be honest.

I think IT IS a bad thing to reduce the number of fixtures to be honest. I love the atmosphere of the Tuesday night games played under floodlights and furthermore, football is not all about money.... Aw forgot yes it is all about money isn't it!

 

[Lawrence]

How about 24 leagues of 4?
Top 2 go up, bottom 2 go down.
No more of those wretched play-off campaign failures.
The 4 teams in each league play each other 14 times a season, 7 at home and 7 away.
21 home games, 21 away games, 42 in total.
It would be just like the good old days.

How about all the so called elite teams F**k off to a new European SUPER league - leave us alone and stop trying to change everything, It used to be great back in the day - Divisions 1 to 4 and 1 up from the conference. then the 'self appointed rulers of football' the premier league came along and stole our beautiful game!