3rd Goal

[Woodys Thunderbolt]

Jebbison at fault for 3rd goal he's too lightweight and gave the ball away too easily, Berge at fault for 2nd goal with one of his trademark half arsed tackles on edge of area.

 

[Sean Thornton]

There was no advantage due to the position on the pitch and the number of opposition players around him. The ref should've known this.

Simply this.

 

[LS16Blade]

Jebbison at fault for 3rd goal he's too lightweight and gave the ball away too easily, Berge at fault for 2nd goal with one of his trademark half arsed tackles on edge of area.

Notwithstanding that the 2nd goal was the classic type of goal that we specialise in conceding, whereby one error tends to quickly be compounded by a 2nd, 3rd and 4th error as our players panic, the main fault has to be Egan.

The way that Egan let the ball-carrier just walk through his limp attempt at a tackle, when a simple block tackle would have ended the attack, was absolutely pathetic.

Imagine Chris Morgan or any number of our centre-halves down the years dangling their foot so weakly, in such a situation?

Egan should have snuffed that attack out at the first contact and out of all our players, I can’t believe that it was him that basically neshed it.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Notwithstanding that the 2nd goal was the classic type of goal that we specialise in conceding, whereby one error tends to quickly be compounded by a 2nd, 3rd and 4th error as our players panic, the main fault has to be Egan.

The way that Egan let the ball-carrier just walk through his limp attempt at a tackle, when a simple block tackle would have ended the attack, was absolutely pathetic.

Imagine Chris Morgan or any number of our centre-halves down the years dangling their foot so weakly, in such a situation?

Egan should have snuffed that attack out at the first contact and out of all our players, I can’t believe that it was him that basically neshed it.

Spot on. If Egan had been more assertive the danger is cleared long before
Norwood tries to rescue the situation and fair play, puts a couple of challenges in to break things up.
It's unfortunate it then drops to Archer, but Anel has gone to sleep and not been alive to what's behind him.
Finally, should Wes get beaten at his near post?

It was a tad fortunate for Boro that it kept dropping to them but we needed to do so much better as a collective.

 

[Drunk blade]

The problem is we've had much more dangerous attacks pulled back....

And why was their player not booked after the goal... its still a yellow card offence

the refs are just poor and inconsistent

 

[Drunk blade]

This. Was a foul on McAtee. He rides the challenge, takes a couple of touches, passes to Jebbison (didn't look like Ndiaye on the replay), who takes a couple of touches, then Boro do what we didn't do all game and put in a challenge. Exactly how many touches of the ball should we freely have and the ref then pull it back?

Is it not 6 seconds ... for some reason I thought they could pull play back if there is no clear advantage after 6 seconds, they had the ball.back after 2 seconds

 

[NuddysGloves]

Spot on. If Egan had been more assertive the danger is cleared long before
Norwood tries to rescue the situation and fair play, puts a couple of challenges in to break things up.
It's unfortunate it then drops to Archer, but Anel has gone to sleep and not been alive to what's behind him.
Finally, should Wes get beaten at his near post?

It was a tad fortunate for Boro that it kept dropping to them but we needed to do so much better as a collective.

You can't attribute any blame to Wes for that goal!! The whole 'goalkeepers shouldn't be beaten at their near post' thing is a load of bollocks when the strike is that close to them.

 

[Bladesman]

Jebbison at fault for 3rd goal he's too lightweight and gave the ball away too easily, Berge at fault for 2nd goal with one of his trademark half arsed tackles on edge of area.

You would think a lad of his size would have more upper body strength. Although as Hecky reminds us the lad is still only 19 years old.

 

[jt64]

Is it not 6 seconds ... for some reason I thought they could pull play back if there is no clear advantage after 6 seconds, they had the ball.back after 2 seconds

You're thinking of the routinely ignored length of time keepers are allowed to hold the ball

 

[nopigfansintown]

The ref played advantage, McAtee even passed the ball to Ndayie. We'd have gone mental if the ref had blown up.

The fat that we then lost the ball with players charging forward and out of position is not the referees fault.

We got what deserved last night which was nothing

It's the refs job to account for all of that when giving the advantage. The ball was in our half. Mcattee was off balance. The available pass was a few yards forward to a Blades player surrounded by Boro players with his back to goal. An invidious position.There was no clear advantage and we predictably lost the ball.

It's a textbook example of the misapplication of the advantage rule. The defensive position and the attacking position of Blades players has to be taken into account by the referee. The same with Boro's players. Positioning of players is fundamental in football as to whether you have the advantage or don't. This is at any time in a game, not just when this rule is applied.

A referee quite rightly wouldn't give an advantage if there were five opposition players in our sixteen yard box to two Blades when a Blades player is fouled there, as there'd likely be a disadvantage and a goal conceded rather than an advantage. This is a similar, albeit admittedly less egregious example of the same thing. We were likely to lose it (due to the above). If we did a great counter chance was on for Boro due to the position of both team's players. And so it proved. Middlesbrough had the advantage .

The mistake wasn't the ref seeing if there was an advantage for SUFC for a few seconds. After all it's not impossible for a player to extricate themselves from an impossible position and for his team to go on and score. The mistake was him not thinking "Oh shit, this isn't an advantage time to pull it back and give an advantage " (free kick). He was surrounded and likely to lose the ball and it was four on four at the back".


Goals change games in football and the worst team does win or draw at times. 30 minutes at 1-2 at home home is a long time in football.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

While we're at it when their bloke legs McAtee up early in the first half because McAtee is about to break away I'm fed up of hearing commentators chuckle and say "well I think that's what is called a professional foul nowadays!" The people commenting on the game become part of the problem by justifying it. There is no attempt to play the ball, it is a calculated and deliberate act of cheating. Call it out, create negative attention and force change to improve the game!

As far as I was concerned and if I'd been the ref, that was a red card all day long.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

It's the refs job to account for all of that when giving the advantage. The ball was in our half. Mcattee was off balance. The available pass was a few yards forward to a Blades player surrounded by Boro players with his back to goal. An invidious position.There was no clear advantage and we predictably lost the ball.

It's a textbook example of the misapplication of the advantage rule. The defensive position and the attacking position of Blades players has to be taken into account by the referee. The same with Boro's players. Positioning of players is fundamental in football as to whether you have the advantage or don't. This is at any time in a game, not just when this rule is applied.

A referee quite rightly wouldn't give an advantage if there were five opposition players in our sixteen yard box to two Blades when a Blades player is fouled there, as there'd likely be a disadvantage and a goal conceded rather than an advantage. This is a similar, albeit admittedly less egregious example of the same thing. We were likely to lose it (due to the above). If we did a great counter chance was on for Boro due to the position of both team's players. And so it proved. Middlesbrough had the advantage .

The mistake wasn't the ref seeing if there was an advantage for SUFC for a few seconds. After all it's not impossible for a player to extricate themselves from an impossible position and for his team to go on and score. The mistake was him not thinking "Oh shit, this isn't an advantage time to pull it back and give an advantage " (free kick). He was surrounded and likely to lose the ball and it was four on four at the back".


Goals change games in football and the worst team does win or draw at times. 30 minutes at 1-2 at home home is a long time in football.

Spot on. Seen it a few times in live Premiership games where the ref plays the advantage but pulls the play back after a second phase of play when it’s clear there’s no visible advantage to the team who’s player has been fouled. The rugby union scenario takes the advantage rule a long way in terms of phases of play, which I wouldn’t advocate for football, but surely the ref in a football match can evaluate the situation after a few seconds and decide whether an advantage has actually been received.

 

[cahill]

Looking at individual faults is papering over the cracks for me. We were well beaten and played off the park. That’s down to the nouse and abilities of the respective management teams. I’m still gutted at how easy it seemed

 

[Trafford]

Ironically that crap ref from the Swansea game would have pulled it back when the advantage didn’t materialise, he did it throughout the game.

 

[CPB]

The problem is we've had much more dangerous attacks pulled back....

And why was their player not booked after the goal... its still a yellow card offence

the refs are just poor and inconsistent

Ref was very inconsistent.

This dark arts stuff though we need to go down more I reckon. Everyone else does.

Archer could or should have seen 2 yellows for dissent. And the player who kicked out at macatee going past him. PL that's a red.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Inside the ground, I was furious. Similar to Heckingbottom.
Watching back on the replay, a lot less so.
McAtee has got a pass off, Jebbison (I think) has controlled it and then given it away. There's quite a bit of time before the original foul and advantage ending.
Could have gone either way.

Probably should have blown but we need to do so much better than getting undone by one pass in behind.

No more time than against Swansea when the Ref pulled it back for a foul on one of their players.

 

[reedy63]

The game is completely different now it,s no good being honest anymore. when referees allow cheating.so Hecky must tell the players to hit the deck.
So if we want to up-cheat to the premier league.