10 Games in: Trying to be convinced

[SwissBlade]

So we've hit the magic 10 game marker, I always feel that this is a good time to assess progress. Last season after three or four games I urged people to look at progress after 10 games. It turned out we were way off the pace that should've been expected.

Onto this season, we've had a relatively stable summer in terms of recruitment at the back, but with the key change coming at manager and coaching level. Injuries to key players have had a huge impact.

Defence
I think we've failed massively to address the most glaring problem. We've quite simply not recruited the two centre halves and a loan left back that we needed to cover for the injured Harris.

This has all been reflected in goals conceded. We've simply not learnt lessons at the back and it's cost us. It will continue to cost us unless we do something.

Yet to be convinced by Edgar, McEverley and Collins. freeman and Wallace provide that glimmer of hope... At least until the beard and harris come back

Midfield
Very unsettled but shown potential, however too inconsistently. Our midfield problems have compounded the defensive issues as teams like Colchester walked through our midfield. Che Adams, coutts and Flynn are looking good and we've seen signs of freeman and Wallace being allowed to break from the back and pose an attacking threat.

Far too inconsistent and too many players like Basham, Baxter, Scougall and Reed failing to put their stamp of authority in the midfield. I fully expect Baxter to be challenged to step up. It's a gamble, which may well fall on its arse, but I'd give Jose the captains armband and challenge him to lead the team.

Strikers
Billy has really developed since last time here, he's helped by not carrying the burden of being the target man, Sammon has provided the perfect foil. Sammon has been quite inconsistent though. He can frustrate slightly but he works so hard it's hard to knock him. He does the same job each and every game. It's just that not every game suits him.

Billy and McNulty are goal scorers and I think they can work, just with McNulty as back up for Billy.

Che remains the exciting prospect and the gamble to be the game changer that Murphy was. I think he'll learn a lot but it's a big ask to rely on him too much

Adkins
Think he's been completely average so far, quite predicatable if I'm honest. What has changed so far? We lack some discipline on our set up, but that comes by attempting to be more flamboyant going forward...

We seem to dominate sides, possession especially, but when teams work us out (like they have done already) we look weak and vulnerable. Unconvincing in too many of the games so far.

Adkins though, can point to mitigating circumstances in some ways, injuries and suspensions have deprived us of at least 4 players, he's made mistakes though as well - failing to address the Centre Half problem, Colchester and Bury games, McEverley as captain to name a few.

Pace
We lack it. We need more pace desperately, whether that's Che and Done coming back or getting recruits in.

Going forward
It's not all doom and gloom, the potential is there and with many players like Che, Done, Brayford and Harris to come back we will boost the side with quality.

James Wallace though remains the millstone, if he ever gets fit we all know he's quality, but will he ever be fit?

Adkins needs to free up some of the squad places, too many fringe players need to get fit and get some games McGahey, Alcock, cuvelier, James Wallace, Diego and many more. Higdon is out on loan, lets get more out.

The Owners
They need a plan, right now it's a case of throw money at it to achieve promotion. Turning to Twitter and Facebook to 'engage' with fans is not helping matters. Lots of positive words, retweeting and hashtags won't get us promotion, neither will selling players with ambition.

I remember the season before we went from the Championship to the PL, the club promised Jags that he could chase his premiership dream if he gave us one more season. That season he got player of the year and we got promotion. We need to challenge the desire of players, not for their personal gain but for the gain of the club.

I feel at the top were rudderless. We've got big backing, great fans and owners who do spend money, but they need to step up and force the ambition of players to take us forward.

We've got a progressive manager, lets kick on now..... Please!

 

[HillmortonBlade]

So we've hit the magic 10 game marker, I always feel that this is a good time to assess progress. Last season after three or four games I urged people to look at progress after 10 games. It turned out we were way off the pace that should've been expected.

Onto this season, we've had a relatively stable summer in terms of recruitment at the back, but with the key change coming at manager and coaching level. Injuries to key players have had a huge impact.

Defence
I think we've failed massively to address the most glaring problem. We've quite simply not recruited the two centre halves and a loan left back that we needed to cover for the injured Harris.

This has all been reflected in goals conceded. We've simply not learnt lessons at the back and it's cost us. It will continue to cost us unless we do something.

Yet to be convinced by Edgar, McEverley and Collins. freeman and Wallace provide that glimmer of hope... At least until the beard and harris come back

Midfield
Very unsettled but shown potential, however too inconsistently. Our midfield problems have compounded the defensive issues as teams like Colchester walked through our midfield. Che Adams, coutts and Flynn are looking good and we've seen signs of freeman and Wallace being allowed to break from the back and pose an attacking threat.

Far too inconsistent and too many players like Basham, Baxter, Scougall and Reed failing to put their stamp of authority in the midfield. I fully expect Baxter to be challenged to step up. It's a gamble, which may well fall on its arse, but I'd give Jose the captains armband and challenge him to lead the team.

Strikers
Billy has really developed since last time here, he's helped by not carrying the burden of being the target man, Sammon has provided the perfect foil. Sammon has been quite inconsistent though. He can frustrate slightly but he works so hard it's hard to knock him. He does the same job each and every game. It's just that not every game suits him.

Billy and McNulty are goal scorers and I think they can work, just with McNulty as back up for Billy.

Che remains the exciting prospect and the gamble to be the game changer that Murphy was. I think he'll learn a lot but it's a big ask to rely on him too much

Adkins
Think he's been completely average so far, quite predicatable if I'm honest. What has changed so far? We lack some discipline on our set up, but that comes by attempting to be more flamboyant going forward...

We seem to dominate sides, possession especially, but when teams work us out (like they have done already) we look weak and vulnerable. Unconvincing in too many of the games so far.

Adkins though, can point to mitigating circumstances in some ways, injuries and suspensions have deprived us of at least 4 players, he's made mistakes though as well - failing to address the Centre Half problem, Colchester and Bury games, McEverley as captain to name a few.

Pace
We lack it. We need more pace desperately, whether that's Che and Done coming back or getting recruits in.

Going forward
It's not all doom and gloom, the potential is there and with many players like Che, Done, Brayford and Harris to come back we will boost the side with quality.

James Wallace though remains the millstone, if he ever gets fit we all know he's quality, but will he ever be fit?

Adkins needs to free up some of the squad places, too many fringe players need to get fit and get some games McGahey, Alcock, cuvelier, James Wallace, Diego and many more. Higdon is out on loan, lets get more out.

The Owners
They need a plan, right now it's a case of throw money at it to achieve promotion. Turning to Twitter and Facebook to 'engage' with fans is not helping matters. Lots of positive words, retweeting and hashtags won't get us promotion, neither will selling players with ambition.

I remember the season before we went from the Championship to the PL, the club promised Jags that he could chase his premiership dream if he gave us one more season. That season he got player of the year and we got promotion. We need to challenge the desire of players, not for their personal gain but for the gain of the club.

I feel at the top were rudderless. We've got big backing, great fans and owners who do spend money, but they need to step up and force the ambition of players to take us forward.

We've got a progressive manager, lets kick on now..... Please!

Great observations. In general terms, I see progress, it's not as quick as I would like, but maybe as quick as I could have expected given how the second half of last season panned out. The manager seems to be living up to expectations, although not all of his decisions have been successful. The problems in the playing side certainly were evident, it'll take time to turn it all around and I can see it starting. I hope, I want, we need, it to be at a rate to be successful this season... but that will be a monumental achievement.

 

[Balham]

How I'd have seen the games so far under Clough:

Gillingham (A) L 1-0
A 4-5-1 formation designed to frustrate Gillingham would have done the job until the 65th minute, at which point Gillingham score from a set piece. United can't pick up the pace sufficiently to force an equaliser.

Chesterfield (H) 1-0
United win a scrappy game with a goal early in the second half but spend the rest of the match sitting deeper and deeper; grateful to Freeman for a last minute goal-line clearance.

Peterborough (A) 1-1
Clough declares himself "delighted" with a point away at Peterborough, despite conceding a 75th minute equaliser.

Blackpool (H) 0-0
The first murmurings of discontent as United's refusal to attack the beleaguered visitors see them hang on relatively comfortably for a point

Swindon (A) 0-3
Clough's miserable run at the County Ground continues as Swindon's 4-3-3 formation puts pressure on United's wings, forcing two early goals. Swindon make the game safe midway through the second half.

Colchester (H) 3-1
Clough refuses to call off the game despite some fringe players being called up for International duty and is rewarded by a much improved performance. Baxter pulls the strings in midfield and finishes with two goals.

Bury (H) 1-1
Back to earth with a bump as it's a reversal to type, with a deserved equaliser in the last 10 minutes for the visitors

Bradford (A) 1-2
United fail to deal with the Bradford set piece threat and concede two preventable goals.

Doncaster (H) 1-1
See Bury

Burton (A) 0-1
Table topping Burton are afforded far too much respect and are able to see out a relatively comfortable 1-0 win on Clough's return.

Adkins is doing a decent job but his hands are obviously tied from a budget perspective. I think, too, that he's been told that he has to ship some midfielders out before he can sign any more. Yes, there are glaring weaknesses but at least you've now got players in their preferred positions and nobody has gone missing (see Cuvelier, Collins, McNulty and more under Clough).

 

[Esablade]

We seem more organised and now pose a greater quality attacking threat with the additions mentioned up top...one of the problems with the current playing staff is in being more positive we're more susceptible to leaking goals...do we prefer this to the bore-fest of Clough?
Anyhow, I'm sure they're working on it and if we can get a couple more in and stay near the top spot I'm still backing Adkins to push on and take us up.

UTB!

 

[SwissBlade]

Great observations. In general terms, I see progress, it's not as quick as I would like, but maybe as quick as I could have expected given how the second half of last season panned out. The manager seems to be living up to expectations, although not all of his decisions have been successful. The problems in the playing side certainly were evident, it'll take time to turn it all around and I can see it starting. I hope, I want, we need, it to be at a rate to be successful this season... but that will be a monumental achievement.

Yeah I agree, it's really just to see where we are now and the 10 game point is usually a good indicator of whether we're on the right track or not.

Right now I think everyone would agree that were behind where we should be, we've conceded too many and lost too many. It's not going to be an easy season but if we get to March and we're still 4th-6th then I'll be very worried. The one thing we have to avoid is play offs

 

[SwissBlade]

How I'd have seen the games so far under Clough:

Gillingham (A) L 1-0
A 4-5-1 formation designed to frustrate Gillingham would have done the job until the 65th minute, at which point Gillingham score from a set piece. United can't pick up the pace sufficiently to force an equaliser.

Chesterfield (H) 1-0
United win a scrappy game with a goal early in the second half but spend the rest of the match sitting deeper and deeper; grateful to Freeman for a last minute goal-line clearance.

Peterborough (A) 1-1
Clough declares himself "delighted" with a point away at Peterborough, despite conceding a 75th minute equaliser.

Blackpool (H) 0-0
The first murmurings of discontent as United's refusal to attack the beleaguered visitors see them hang on relatively comfortably for a point

Swindon (A) 0-3
Clough's miserable run at the County Ground continues as Swindon's 4-3-3 formation puts pressure on United's wings, forcing two early goals. Swindon make the game safe midway through the second half.

Colchester (H) 3-1
Clough refuses to call off the game despite some fringe players being called up for International duty and is rewarded by a much improved performance. Baxter pulls the strings in midfield and finishes with two goals.

Bury (H) 1-1
Back to earth with a bump as it's a reversal to type, with a deserved equaliser in the last 10 minutes for the visitors

Bradford (A) 1-2
United fail to deal with the Bradford set piece threat and concede two preventable goals.

Doncaster (H) 1-1
See Bury

Burton (A) 0-1
Table topping Burton are afforded far too much respect and are able to see out a relatively comfortable 1-0 win on Clough's return.

Adkins is doing a decent job but his hands are obviously tied from a budget perspective. I think, too, that he's been told that he has to ship some midfielders out before he can sign any more. Yes, there are glaring weaknesses but at least you've now got players in their preferred positions and nobody has gone missing (see Cuvelier, Collins, McNulty and more under Clough).

I don't think it's right to make speculative predictions on results. All we can look at is last season and this season. Funnily enough last seasons start and sitting around play off places was seen as a failure, yet this season people are relatively happy.

If the case of sell before we buy is to be believed (no evidence of this) then priority should still have gone to shoring up the defence and central midfield.

 

[boo radley]

So we've hit the magic 10 game marker, I always feel that this is a good time to assess progress. Last season after three or four games I urged people to look at progress after 10 games. It turned out we were way off the pace that should've been expected.

Onto this season, we've had a relatively stable summer in terms of recruitment at the back, but with the key change coming at manager and coaching level. Injuries to key players have had a huge impact.

Defence
I think we've failed massively to address the most glaring problem. We've quite simply not recruited the two centre halves and a loan left back that we needed to cover for the injured Harris.

This has all been reflected in goals conceded. We've simply not learnt lessons at the back and it's cost us. It will continue to cost us unless we do something.

Yet to be convinced by Edgar, McEverley and Collins. freeman and Wallace provide that glimmer of hope... At least until the beard and harris come back

Midfield
Very unsettled but shown potential, however too inconsistently. Our midfield problems have compounded the defensive issues as teams like Colchester walked through our midfield. Che Adams, coutts and Flynn are looking good and we've seen signs of freeman and Wallace being allowed to break from the back and pose an attacking threat.

Far too inconsistent and too many players like Basham, Baxter, Scougall and Reed failing to put their stamp of authority in the midfield. I fully expect Baxter to be challenged to step up. It's a gamble, which may well fall on its arse, but I'd give Jose the captains armband and challenge him to lead the team.

Strikers
Billy has really developed since last time here, he's helped by not carrying the burden of being the target man, Sammon has provided the perfect foil. Sammon has been quite inconsistent though. He can frustrate slightly but he works so hard it's hard to knock him. He does the same job each and every game. It's just that not every game suits him.

Billy and McNulty are goal scorers and I think they can work, just with McNulty as back up for Billy.

Che remains the exciting prospect and the gamble to be the game changer that Murphy was. I think he'll learn a lot but it's a big ask to rely on him too much

Adkins
Think he's been completely average so far, quite predicatable if I'm honest. What has changed so far? We lack some discipline on our set up, but that comes by attempting to be more flamboyant going forward...

We seem to dominate sides, possession especially, but when teams work us out (like they have done already) we look weak and vulnerable. Unconvincing in too many of the games so far.

Adkins though, can point to mitigating circumstances in some ways, injuries and suspensions have deprived us of at least 4 players, he's made mistakes though as well - failing to address the Centre Half problem, Colchester and Bury games, McEverley as captain to name a few.

Pace
We lack it. We need more pace desperately, whether that's Che and Done coming back or getting recruits in.

Going forward
It's not all doom and gloom, the potential is there and with many players like Che, Done, Brayford and Harris to come back we will boost the side with quality.

James Wallace though remains the millstone, if he ever gets fit we all know he's quality, but will he ever be fit?

Adkins needs to free up some of the squad places, too many fringe players need to get fit and get some games McGahey, Alcock, cuvelier, James Wallace, Diego and many more. Higdon is out on loan, lets get more out.

The Owners
They need a plan, right now it's a case of throw money at it to achieve promotion. Turning to Twitter and Facebook to 'engage' with fans is not helping matters. Lots of positive words, retweeting and hashtags won't get us promotion, neither will selling players with ambition.

I remember the season before we went from the Championship to the PL, the club promised Jags that he could chase his premiership dream if he gave us one more season. That season he got player of the year and we got promotion. We need to challenge the desire of players, not for their personal gain but for the gain of the club.

I feel at the top were rudderless. We've got big backing, great fans and owners who do spend money, but they need to step up and force the ambition of players to take us forward.

We've got a progressive manager, lets kick on now..... Please!

You need another job.

 

[grafikhaus]

Yes, ten games is enough to begin to assess if we've progressed. Like many, I remain to be convinced that this is a promotion squad, but Done and Brayford might change that.

However, if we lose at Port Vale on Saturday, we're on course to finish with 71 points - exactly the same as last season's total...

 

[SteveBlade]

Probably time to stop with the bullshit like 'on current form we'll finish on x amount of points' or 'lose 4 more games and we won't get promoted, the top two never lose more than 7 games'.

I truly believe we are at our weakest at the moment, yet we are still up there. We have so many players coming back and we will bring in a few on loan. We will get stronger.

 

[UnitedBlade]

After 10 games, we're on course to get 78 points ie play off material (but probably not having home advantage in the second leg). So, I see this as a slight improvement on Clough so far.

Adkins has had to deal with the problems left behind by the previous manager. All managers have to do this when they take over. So to some extent he's plugged holes in the defence but we really need our remaining injured defenders back and some "fix it for good" loans to sort them out. By that I mean loans with a view to a permanent deal in January. The Board has to help with that funding.

He undoubtedly has a more positive approach, we're one of the top scoring sides in the division now.

We have to push on from this point now and aim to be in touching distance of automatic places by Christmas. I'd be confident we could push on to an automatic place if we are there or thereabouts at Christmas.

I would expect a minimum end of season finish in the play offs. And with Adkins's positive views on attacking football it is possible to win the play-offs.

He does have a problem of too many midfielders so he'll have to offload some if he can but I would put that as our last worry on the list.

Fix central midfield and central defence are the main actions, although I'd like an alternative keeper as well. As has been said on another thread, we've forgotten what it's like to have a top keeper.

 

[Balham]

I don't think it's right to make speculative predictions on results. All we can look at is last season and this season. Funnily enough last seasons start and sitting around play off places was seen as a failure, yet this season people are relatively happy.

If the case of sell before we buy is to be believed (no evidence of this) then priority should still have gone to shoring up the defence and central midfield.

Nothing wrong with a bit of tongue-in-cheek speculation Swizzler. For what it's worth, I keep a tracker of how we're performing against the same teams last season and we're currently tracking 0.3 points behind (as 1 point away at Burton is slightly less than the 1.3 we averaged against the four relegated sides last season).

Transfers in under Adkins:

Woolford: left winger. We had Flynn (injured), Murphy (subject of a number of bids), Coutts (injured) and Campbell-Ryce in the squad. It's a sensible acquisition.

Edgar: centre half. At the start of the season we had Collins and McGahey as the only two natural centre halves who have played more than 2 games in a row. Another sensible signing.

Sammon, Sharp: strikers: on the books we had Done, Higdon and McNulty plus the unproven Calvert-Lewin and De Girolamo. It's only really the signing of Sharp that you could look at as potentially unnecessary though and given Clough's public chasing of Sammon last season, that deal may have already been agreed.

You mention "shoring up the defence and central midfield". I think Adkins has done OK at shoring up the defence with the addition of Edgar as we now have cover at centre half and an improvement to the first team. On the central midfield point: we still have 8 central midfielders (Basham. Baxter, Coutts, Cuvelier, Dimaio, Reed, Scougall, Wallace) on the books. I accept that three of those have spent the season thus far injured but that still leaves 5 fighting over two spots in the team. Therefore I don't think it's unreasonable that Adkins has been asked to thin the ranks down before he can bring someone else in.

 

[blade too long]

Still think we are in need of key players out with injuries , glad we have kept up with the top 6, but any team thats missing harris done brayford and alcock and wallace getting 100% are going to feel the pinch .
Theres time for us to get the team out we really want playing and collate the required points for April
We are looking far more positive this season just need the quality players on the park like any team would

I still think well get between 86 and 94 points

 

[Grecian2000]

I would expect a minimum end of season finish in the play offs.

But anything less would be fatal for manager (and nearly fatal for club) wouldn't it?

Two of the three managers sacked, whilst we've been in this division, have gone on the back of getting in the play-offs, and as we did so last season, surely finishing outside would be a huge failure and back to square one yet again.

As for the opening post, I haven't been sat wanking in delight at our performances but they are a slight improvement on last season. Need more and hopefully it will happen with the injured returning.

 

[blade too long]

http://www.prestonnorthend-mad.co.uk/snapshot_tables/2012_2013/6/oct/preston_north_end/index.shtml

just at random heres the table after 11 games in 2012 13
we are sat in 3rd after 11 with 21 points trying hard to chase stevenage and tranmere, neitherof whom got near the automatics in fact not many of the top 6 then did
just shows positions now mean absolutely nothing
10th placed doncaster 17 points , same as us now and 21 st placed bournemouth went up

bournemouth were 19 points behind tranmere

thats 19

 

[Grecian2000]

I think the discussion is about how we're playing rather than the position we sit in isn't it?

Also both your examples changed managers between the table you show and the end of the season! If we'd sacked Weir sooner in '13 it could have been the same for us too.

 

[blade too long]

I think the discussion is about how we're playing rather than the position we sit in isn't it?

Also both your examples changed managers between the table you show and the end of the season! If we'd sacked Weir sooner in '13 it could have been the same for us too.

take getting players back from injury as changing manager ,which ever its about collecting points
we pontificate if we can make up 5 points and bournemouth made up 19 , wether or not a change of manager is only one reason
the fact remains its more than a viable option

 

[UnitedBlade]

http://www.prestonnorthend-mad.co.uk/snapshot_tables/2012_2013/6/oct/preston_north_end/index.shtml

just at random heres the table after 11 games in 2012 13
we are sat in 3rd after 11 with 21 points trying hard to chase stevenage and tranmere, neitherof whom got near the automatics in fact not many of the top 6 then did
just shows positions now mean absolutely nothing
10th placed doncaster 17 points , same as us now and 21 st placed bournemouth went up

bournemouth were 19 points behind tranmere

thats 19

Some Bournemouth style investment would be lovely. We'd walk it then. Sadly, we don't have their money to throw at it.

They increased their wage bill by £7M and spent £3.2M more on transfers. They lost £15M that season.

If we did comparable investment we would go up.

 

[Grecian2000]

But nobody is mentioning making up any points. The discussion is around how we're playing NOT league position.

The concensus seems to be, we aren't as good as we hoped we'd be but we have got a lot of players missing and so we should get better.

No-one saying we can't go up, no-one saying the manager should go, no-one getting too depressed, just a normal discussion.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

But nobody is mentioning making up any points. The discussion is around how we're playing NOT league position.

The concensus seems to be, we aren't as good as we hoped we'd be but we have got a lot of players missing and so we should get better.

No-one saying we can't go up, no-one saying the manager should go, no-one getting too depressed, just a normal discussion.

Our progress on the field perhaps does not match our expectations . 10 games is a well known statisical barometer and a benchmark of were you actually are in a league , and perhaps were you may finish up . Our league position is in parallel , were i thought we would be . The game changer is , can Adkins push us on for automatic . The crux is , will the board back him to the hilt. Ok we may not be as good as we hoped , but we have been saying that for the last 5 seasons . The league table does not lie , and we are , were we are , and were we deserve to be .

Mitigating circumstances are injuries to major players , but when they are all back , it does not nessessarly gurantee , we will fire on all cylinders , or all cracks will be covered up.

Just got to believe Adkins will get it right , and the club will , for once succeed .

UTB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

For me, we're in the mix without really playing to our full potential. We have key playing returning into the squad, which even without a single new player brought in from outside might be enough to substantially improve us (though I reckon we'll recruit one or two more...).

We look a goal threat – we massively struggled in that department last year. We still look at times shaky at the back, but arguably no worse than last season presently. I can see improvements already, and the potential for further improvements. Perhaps this hasn't happened as quickly as I'd have liked, but I'm confident Adkins is building something decent here.

 

[blade too long]

Some Bournemouth style investment would be lovely. We'd walk it then. Sadly, we don't have their money to throw at it.

They increased their wage bill by £7M and spent £3.2M more on transfers. They lost £15M that season.

If we did comparable investment we would go up.

whos to say we wont

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

whos to say we wont

We will never , ever , get investment like Bournemouth . Big multi million / billionaire money will be invested by individuals / corporate companies , in any club , inside or just outside , the M25 orbitol.

Bournemouth struck gold with a number of billionaires buying property and living within the Sanbanks area. That how the Russian guy got involved .

London and surrounding areas is like , and on par , with a rich principality . The North East , Yorkshire , Midlands are all suffering .

Manchester and Liverpool can be classed as 2nd to The Independant Country of London.

UTB

 

[blade too long]

We will never , ever , get investment like Bournemouth . Big multi million / billionaire money will be invested by individuals / corporate companies , in any club , inside or just outside , the M25 orbitol.

Bournemouth struck gold with a number of billionaires buying property and living within the Sanbanks area. That how the Russian guy got involved .

London and surrounding areas is like , and on par , with a rich principality . The North East , Yorkshire , Midlands are all suffering .

Manchester and Liverpool can be classed as 2nd to The Independant Country of London.

UTB

so we have spent nothing in the last year
or financed some decent wages for championship level players and you predict us not to bring in anyone at all in january

are we spending less than 22 other clubs
will blackpool outspend us , or bury or southend

 

[grafikhaus]

We will never , ever , get investment like Bournemouth . Big multi million / billionaire money will be invested by individuals / corporate companies , in any club , inside or just outside , the M25 orbitol.

Bournemouth struck gold with a number of billionaires buying property and living within the Sanbanks area. That how the Russian guy got involved .

London and surrounding areas is like , and on par , with a rich principality . The North East , Yorkshire , Midlands are all suffering .

Manchester and Liverpool can be classed as 2nd to The Independant Country of London.

UTB

True, but injuries are beginning to catch up with Bournemouth (we're not the only team to get these pesky injuries...) and I reckon they'll struggle to survive in the PL.

And Brentford have 'invested' £90m and yet the wheels are falling off. Good article by Fatty here.

 

[Grecian2000]

We will never , ever , get investment like Bournemouth . Big multi million / billionaire money will be invested by individuals / corporate companies , in any club , inside or just outside , the M25 orbitol.

so we have spent nothing in the last year
or financed some decent wages for championship level players and you predict us not to bring in anyone at all in january

are we spending less than 22 other clubs
will blackpool outspend us , or bury or southend

Bloody hell, how can anyone turn quote1 into quote2 in one reply? Staggering. Talk about reading stuff that was never said into a statement to try and turn it into a "moan".

Why do you make out people are "putting us down" when they clearly aren't? What purpose does it serve in your mind?

 

[UnitedBlade]

whos to say we wont

Our board. They are trying to do SCMP within existing turnover.

You can't possibly think they are going to throw that level of money at it.

 

[blade too long]

Our board. They are trying to do SCMP within existing turnover.

You can't possibly think they are going to throw that level of money at it.

what level,, I said out of 24 in league one now whos spending more
and Bournemouths mega spending wasnt around 5 years ago

 

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Bloody hell, how can anyone turn quote1 into quote2 in one reply? Staggering. Talk about reading stuff that was never said into a statement to try and turn it into a "moan".

Why do you make out people are "putting us down" when they clearly aren't? What purpose does it serve in your mind?

where do I put him down
I make the staement whos spending more than us in this league this season
the words no your wrong twat seem to be missing

 

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True, but injuries are beginning to catch up with Bournemouth (we're not the only team to get these pesky injuries...) and I reckon they'll struggle to survive in the PL.

And Brentford have 'invested' £90m and yet the wheels are falling off. Good article by Fatty here.

we lost our star striker later in the season , they will have more scope to replace Wilson which makes it a little easier

 

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what level,, I said out of 24 in league one now whos spending more
and Bournemouths mega spending wasnt around 5 years ago

I was replying specifically to your point on Bournemouth and quoted the figures: adding £7M to the wage bill and spending £3.2M on transfers. We are not going to do that.

I'm not disagreeing that we could still get promoted within our existing budget.

But to be clear, we will not do it in the style of huge equity investment like Bournemouth did from the 19th position that you quoted.