‘Undisclosed’ fees + Unknown Wages

[Jim Mcdonald]

It’s none of the fans business so it isn’t, you have a choice to be a customer or not, people act like it’s compulsory so they do.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Amongst all the other good points this is the correct answer.

Under UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act it's illegal in the UK (Europe it's more of a grey area) to share someone's salary if you can attribute that salary to a specific individual. What a club could in theory do is say 'we have 22 senior pros on salaries ranging from £5,000 - £25,000' but even that isn't risk free. If you could reasonably deduce who the higher earner is it would still fall under the remit of 'personal data' and make the club at liberty of a pretty heavy fine, potentially into the millions.

Fun data protection lesson over .

That type of statement giving the lowest end and highest end wouldn't be a problem under legislation, just as public sector/Armed forces wages are freely given. The only risk is for example if one of your players thought he was the highest salaried player but a salary higher than his was announced, him and his agent might be asking for a rise next time or he might get the hump. But nothing legislation wise could be done, but pretty much that statement could be copied and pasted across most clubs in the Championship and it doesn't achieve anything other than knowing we are in a similar ball park but some clubs could have 20 on £20k+ others might only have a couple.

 

[jt64]

Rumour that Brooks wanted £10k more than what we were offering. Why do footballers think they’re entitled to this type of money?

Because it is the going rate for their job. If the going rate for your job was £50k and not £37k I'm sure you would decline that extra £13k to stay in touch with the common man. Oh, wait

 

[YES Blade]

I’ve never understood why they bother with the undisclosed fees, it always seems to come out what the fee is anyway. Ok, it’s not officially confirmed, but I’m sure the reported figures must be pretty close.

I can understand clubs not wanting other clubs to know they’ve just banked say £50m and risk prices for their targets increasing. But I’m imagine with agents knowing the fee, it will become pretty common knowledge in football.

 

[Champagneblade]

One thing I can appreciate about American sports; these things being shared are commonplace.

Better transparency would prevent agents from bullshitting you and asking for no nonsense things.

It would also shame some clubs that make poor deals and then hide behind the undisclosed thing.

 

[Newbury Blade]

No denying id like to know but why on earth is a transfer fee any busy of the general public?

For most of football’s history fees were published and it was an interesting part of being a fan - first £1k transfer (Alf Common, ex-Blade, sadly no sell-on in 1905!), first six-figure transfer, first million-pound transfer, etc. Given that fans make a contribution to paying these fees, it is indeed our business and you’d be better off asking why clubs want to keep these fees from us.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

O the ask for increased salary. That may be the case but agents and footballers will (and I’m speculating here) probably use an increase in wage demands as a mechanism to instigate a move. It means they don’t need to put in a transfer request, which would require them to lose money, and the club then has a decision to make as to whether they sell early for a better fee or they hang onto the player and watch them leave for nowt at the end of their contract.

On the “pay me the money and I’ll do it”
No you wouldn’t. Otherwise you’d have done it by now.

The actual graft, sacrifice and dedication needed to become a professional footballer is so high there’s only a few that make it.
It’s much harder than you imagine. And that’s if you have the talent to match. It’s not given, it’s not handed to them on a plate. Plenty of other talented lads that “could” have made it, didn’t, for some reason or another - mostly a lack of the mental toughness required to get there and remain there.

Love this!

Until you've lived in this world, you have no idea the levels of mental strength, testicular fortitude, physical capabilities as well as technical excellence, it takes to do any sport at the elite levels.

Always makes me laugh when people claim they could have done it or know what it takes.

As an example, my lad is one of the most talented 14 year old footballers in the area but doesn't have the mental toughness, motivation or commitment to get even close to making it as one of the 0.01% that becomes a professional.

It's such a rare thing to have all of those attributes.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Remember when we saw Nyron Nosworthy’s wages in 2010?

 

[raul]

Love this!

Until you've lived in this world, you have no idea the levels of mental strength, testicular fortitude, physical capabilities as well as technical excellence, it takes to do any sport at the elite levels.

Always makes me laugh when people claim they could have done it or know what it takes.

As an example, my lad is one of the most talented 14 year old footballers in the area but doesn't have the mental toughness, motivation or commitment to get even close to making it as one of the 0.01% that becomes a professional.

It's such a rare thing to have all of those attributes.

Can confirm Bob has a good first touch, vision and a decent shot on him. However he used to get easily frustrated when faced with an opponent the same age as his Dad who hustles, harries and gets blocks in.

 

[Kenilworth]

Remember when we saw Nyron Nosworthy’s wages in 2010?

Oh Bollocks.
I’ve been trying to forget he ever existed, never mind him playing for Dem Blades.
Now you drag this up.
What a nightmare scenario?

 

[Kenilworth]

Love this!

Until you've lived in this world, you have no idea the levels of mental strength, testicular fortitude, physical capabilities as well as technical excellence, it takes to do any sport at the elite levels.

Always makes me laugh when people claim they could have done it or know what it takes.

As an example, my lad is one of the most talented 14 year old footballers in the area but doesn't have the mental toughness, motivation or commitment to get even close to making it as one of the 0.01% that becomes a professional.

It's such a rare thing to have all of those attributes.

You’ve treated him too kindly.
Needs some adversity to get his levels of motivation up.
Tek away his phone and X Box and see if it’ll improve his cushty outlook.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Can confirm Bob has a good first touch, vision and a decent shot on him. However he used to get easily frustrated when faced with an opponent the same age as his Dad who hustles, harries and gets blocks in.

Oi. When he was on £7 a week he was a sub in the 8th division of the Friendlies League. On £37k he’s now plays for a for a top County Senior side.

It really is all about money………

 

[Gin&Juice]

Oh Bollocks.
I’ve been trying to forget he ever existed, never mind him playing for Dem Blades.
Now you drag this up.
What a nightmare scenario?

21k a week Kenilworth!!! 21k a week. 16 years ago!

 

[Kenilworth]

21k a week Kenilworth!!! 21k a week. 16 years ago!

 

[Snowflake]

£37,000

Next question

Why are you being underpaid ?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

You’ve treated him too kindly.
Needs some adversity to get his levels of motivation up.
Tek away his phone and X Box and see if it’ll improve his cushty outlook.

Maybe. But that's only half the battle. Even posh kids can make it to the highest levels. You need that psycho gene, that only a very small percentage have...

Anyone being offered £20k a week from Norwich has it. Whether it gets diluted once he signs that contract is the key!

 

[bakeblade]

Looking after his retirement?

Professional footballers typically retire between the ages of 34 and 36.

What age was Jack O'Connell when he was forced into early retirement?

Retirement from football, not working.
There's nothing to stop them getting a non football job or staying in a football related job.
35 is far too early to retire

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

In Norway all salaries are published by the government. You can look up what your friends and neighbours are earning.

Seems weird to us but they seem to think it causes no problems.

It's surprising that I googled salary for my job, I'm the region I'm in, and it was remarkably close.

Not saying that will work for everybody, but was surprised nonetheless.

 

[wf9-Danny]

Well, it all goes into the accounts that are declared, and if another team thinks you've suddenly got £10m for a player, then the next time you try to sign someone they put "x" amount on the fee, thinking you've got more to spend. Keeping stuff quiet can help you in the long run if you are trying to bring other players

 

[Lmaobob]

Because it is the going rate for their job. If the going rate for your job was £50k and not £37k I'm sure you would decline that extra £13k to stay in touch with the common man. Oh, wait

37k to 50k is huge difference for a working person

25k to 30k a week is just not necessary

 

[Lmaobob]

Why are you being underpaid ?

Ask me boss

 

[Lmaobob]

Can confirm Bob has a good first touch, vision and a decent shot on him. However he used to get easily frustrated when faced with an opponent the same age as his Dad who hustles, harries and gets blocks in.

Can tell you, I haven’t changed

 

[I should coco]

I don’t even know what my wife earns - she leaves for work around 9 each evening , all dolled up , gets back home around 6am . We’re like ships in the night tbh . She does a lot of moaning about her job as well . Constantly moaning .ive told her to pack it in if it gets too hard .

She's very good at her job, and as you say, 'dolled up'.

I pay her £100 a time and have no real complaints, although some of the moaning seems a little false.

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

Could you though?

Yes! He could be a 50" waist trousers, fat, rotund, unfit bloke, and still he'd be quicker over 10 yards than The Chief!

 

[dexter101]

With Shef United Way reporting Matos is one of the highest paid players at our club, it really is a good job this information isnt announced! His debut could have been horrible...

 

[I should coco]

With Shef United Way reporting Matos is one of the highest paid players at our club, it really is a good job this information isnt announced! His debut could have been horrible...

His debut was very bloody horrible, with or without, salary information.

 

[Tom Bott]

Retirement from football, not working.
There's nothing to stop them getting a non football job or staying in a football related job.
35 is far too early to retire

£ 700 week then maximum, same as you earn.