£20m

[Nick Jansky]

£4m deals for Anel happen once in a lifetime. 99.9% of the time it buys you half of Callum Robinson or one Luke Freeman.

Nope. They happen frequently for clubs that use overseas markets. As we did for Anel. Perhaps we could make a habit of it like other clubs do.

 

[Mouth of the South]

It's a nonsensical statement / article - transfer fees (that would be apportioned across the duration of the respective contracts) are one thing, the more important question is what will the overall budget be next season?
Personally, I'd be fine if the club didn't spend anything on transfer fees as long as PH has a competitive budget to use.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

At £20m, we’re in big trouble IMHO.

£4m deals for Anel happen once in a lifetime. 99.9% of the time it buys you half of Callum Robinson or one Luke Freeman.

The takeover MUST happen before we’re too far adrift - ideally before the end of the summer window, or failing that in good time before January. I fear the writing will be on the wall before then though.

Pissing time up the wall with some of the previous bidders for the club has been an absolute disaster. We could have new ownership and bringing in players now.

Look at the fees Brentford paid for Toney etc etc or Brighton paid for half thier squad. If we are willing to look further than the championship we can stretch it and use it effectively. Why shouldn’t we pick up another Anel?

It might not seem like much but a long established squad like Southampton spend 140m and have barely beat our shite points total. So spending (spunking) is no guarantee and at least we won’t completely fuck ourselves with further transfer payments if we go down.

Say we used the money on the likes of.

• likes of Doyle / o’brien for c8-10m
• Mcatee or a similar prospect on loan
• Foreign loans
• Left back like Maatson on loan
• Leaves c10m for a centreback upgrade or another midfielder or whatever

A first 11 of

Wes
Baldock , anel, egan, new signing, Maatsen (loan)
Berge Doyle
Mcatee (loan)
Ndaiye, foreign loan

with the likes of mcburnie, Norwood, bogle, Brewster, Robinson, RNd, bash on the bench. With the room for additional foreign loans.

It’s not perfect but That’s a much improved squad than our last PL campaign (imo). We arnt having the likes of Freeman or Keane Bryan in and around the squad.

 

[Original United]

Nope. They happen frequently for clubs that use overseas markets. As we did for Anel. Perhaps we could make a habit of it like other clubs do.

Need to get out my wallowing............ what would you do?

 

[Rodley]

Look at the fees Brentford paid for Toney etc etc or Brighton paid for half thier squad. If we are willing to look further than the championship we can stretch it and use it effectively. Why shouldn’t we pick up another Anel?

It might not seem like much but a long established squad like Southampton spend 140m and have barely beat our shite points total. So spending (spunking) is no guarantee and at least we won’t completely fuck ourselves with further transfer payments if we go down.

Say we used the money on the likes of.

• likes of Doyle / o’brien for c8-10m
• Mcatee or a similar prospect on loan
• Foreign loans
• Left back like Maatson on loan
• Leaves c10m for a centreback upgrade or another midfielder or whatever

A first 11 of

Wes
Baldock , anel, egan, new signing, Maatsen (loan)
Berge Doyle
Mcatee (loan)
Ndaiye, foreign loan

with the likes of mcburnie, Norwood, bogle, Brewster, Robinson, RNd, bash on the bench. With the room for additional foreign loans.

It’s not perfect but That’s a much improved squad than our last PL campaign (imo). We arnt having the likes of Freeman or Keane Bryan in and around the squad.

How much of the £20m is it going to cost to establish the huge analytics teams and scouting networks that both clubs have? Can we implement that this summer?

 

[Harrisblade]

How much of the £20m is it going to cost to establish the huge analytics teams and scouting networks that both clubs have? Can we implement that this summer?

You could start with a small analytical team and analyse relatively few selected attributes and build up the team to cover greatè numbers of players or greater geographical spread over time

 

[Bladeinleeds]

How much of the £20m is it going to cost to establish the huge analytics teams and scouting networks that both clubs have? Can we implement that this summer?

No idea in terms of cost. We will already have some analytics staff I’m sure.

But ‘infrastructure’ is only data and it’s only wages for getting the people who can manipulate it.

The hardest thing will be establishing trusted foreign scouts. I’ve no idea how that is achieved.

I think unlike wilder hecky might be more willing to trust the scouts we do have. Would have have wanted a Anel? We’ve clubs abroad we can surely use to our advantage.

 

[Rodley]

No idea in terms of cost. We will already have some analytics staff I’m sure.

But ‘infrastructure’ is only data and it’s only wages for getting the people who can manipulate it.

The hardest thing will be establishing trusted foreign scouts. I’ve no idea how that is achieved.

I think unlike wilder hecky might be more willing to trust the scouts we do have. Would have have wanted a Anel? We’ve clubs abroad we can surely use to our advantage.

I think it would take us 5-10 years to establish anything like the recruitment infrastructure (including scouting) that Brentford and Brighton have. Bloom and Benson have driven the whole thing forward with lots of cash and expertise.

We need to get a toehold into the division, then improve elements of the club off the field (recruitment, training ground, commercial / hospitality etc). £20m won’t enable us to establish that toehold. I’d expect Luton / Coventry to outmuscle us on transfers this summer.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Do you know what this is it’s £20 Mill

All jokes aside hecky needs to doing some proper wheeling and dealing if he wants a decent prem squad

Hands tide come to mind in what is already a tough challenge

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

At £20m, we’re in big trouble IMHO.

£4m deals for Anel happen once in a lifetime. 99.9% of the time it buys you half of Callum Robinson or one Luke Freeman.

The takeover MUST happen before we’re too far adrift - ideally before the end of the summer window, or failing that in good time before January. I fear the writing will be

on the wall before then though.

Pissing time up the wall with some of the previous bidders for the club has been an absolute disaster. We could have new ownership and bringing in players nn

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

At £20m, we’re in big trouble IMHO.

£4m deals for Anel happen once in a lifetime. 99.9% of the time it buys you half of Callum Robinson or one Luke Freeman.

The takeover MUST happen before we’re too far adrift - ideally before the end of the summer window, or failing that in good time before January. I fear the writing will be on the wall before then though.

Pissing time up the wall with some of the previous bidders for the club has been an absolute disaster. We could have new ownership and bringing in players now.

The answer is in your opinion. Buy foreign players and leave the so called "best" of the Championship players to someone else. British championship players are over priced and usually over rated, usually, but definitley over priced.

 

[Rodley]

The answer is in your opinion. Buy foreign players and leave the so called "best" of the Championship players to someone else. British championship players are over priced and usually over rated, usually, but definitley over priced.

I’ll wait in keen anticipation to see this abundance of PL talent, available at £3-4m a pop, which is hitherto undiscovered.

 

[S40BLADE]

Clickbait Scum paper bollocks. Last promotion the summer was filled with similar suicidal “breaking news” to drive clicks and engagement. lets see what happens. Inb4 the Alan Nixon fan girls showup. #ForestieriToUnitedStory #IllAlwaysRemember.

 

[robbiez666]

Already asked this on other threads but this sounds exactly the sort of level for fees that we would be spending so I don’t get the shock.
What were people genuinely expecting us to spend on fees this summer?

It’s entirely logical for us to focus a lot of our efforts in the loan market as we’re not saddled with high fees if it doesn’t work out or we go down. Should we stay up and players perform we can make them perm then when a larger chunk of change has been secured.

All in all, it’s a sensible approach given the romantic overspending of last time and the precarious position it put us in. Of course we can always hope we get someone with more money than sense (or just who wants to spend more than they’ll ever make) and blows it all out the water.

The problem there is that loans aren't free or just wages. Clubs will be wanting millions in loan fees. Like we paid for Olsen.

So £20 million won't just be for permanent signings. It will be covering the loan fees as well.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The problem there is that loans aren't free or just wages. Clubs will be wanting millions in loan fees. Like we paid for Olsen.

So £20 million won't just be for permanent signings. It will be covering the loan fees as well.

Apparently not, separate pot.
Wages just come out the agreed budget for the year.

 

[robbiez666]

Apparently not, separate pot.
Wages just come out the agreed budget for the year.

I'm not talking about wages, I'm talking about loan fees.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I'm not talking about wages, I'm talking about loan fees.

I know. apparently that’s from a separate pot, whereas wages come out the total wage budget. Only rumours though, maybe that’s where the “extra” is? Who knows?

 

[robbiez666]

I know. apparently that’s from a separate pot, whereas wages come out the total wage budget. Only rumours though, maybe that’s where the “extra” is? Who knows?

This is the quote

"Current wages need to be covered by Prem cash, leaving only a small excess for new players."

Which basically says to me that the £20 million is for anything over our current wage bill (plus promotion bonuses).

 

[Scarebus]

I think it would take us 5-10 years to establish anything like the recruitment infrastructure (including scouting) that Brentford and Brighton have. Bloom and Benson have driven the whole thing forward with lots of cash and expertise.

We need to get a toehold into the division, then improve elements of the club off the field (recruitment, training ground, commercial / hospitality etc). £20m won’t enable us to establish that toehold. I’d expect Luton / Coventry to outmuscle us on transfers this summer.

Truth is we'll never have a scouting network to match Brentford and Brighton, because that's how the owners came to own the clubs in the first place. Their background statistical data machines were putting in the hard yards and making millions before they'd even had their first Guinness and spoken to Rio Ferdinand.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

I’ll wait in keen anticipation to see this abundance of PL talent, available at £3-4m a pop, which is hitherto undiscovered.

They are out there, just not in the Championship. I also wait in anticipation that our recruiting team finds a few gems. Can not get excited when we get linked to or a suggestion of Championship players.

 

[Brownieblade]

I’m not against selling Berge and illy in the scenario of getting something rather than nothing but to replace with just cheap workmanlike options like Obrien just because they are cheap ??

Nothing says take the money and run and get Warnock in next year to get us back up like this

 

[Nick Jansky]

Need to get out my wallowing............ what would you do?

I’m pretty much in agreement with Bladeinleeds at #63 above.

 

[Blade56]

I’ll wait in keen anticipation to see this abundance of PL talent, available at £3-4m a pop, which is hitherto undiscovered.

It does happen, Anel, Ndiaye, Pukki (free transfer), Akpom et al

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Nothing says take the money and run and get Warnock in next year to get us back up like this

That'd be hilarious. Let's do that

 

[Rodley]

It does happen, Anel, Ndiaye, Pukki (free transfer), Akpom et al

The exception rather than the rule.

We’re going into a gunfight with a blunt teaspoon. It is what it is, but I’d rate our chances of survival as tiny.

Wasting our time on Mauriss and Dozy has been a terrible strategic decision. Timing couldn’t be worse.

 

[Brownieblade]

That'd be hilarious. Let's do that

Well I appreciate the sarcasm mate but genuinely if you are selling Berge for cheap then where is the potential creativity coming from

Yeh I get last year he was inconsistent but that still doesn’t detract from the point of where are you going to replace that

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Well I appreciate the sarcasm mate but genuinely if you are selling Berge for cheap then where is the potential creativity coming from

Yeh I get last year he was inconsistent but that still doesn’t detract from the point of where are you going to replace that

I'd bring in players in CM to make us stronger for the 60-65% of games when we don't have the ball, and strengthen up top and on the left side to improve creativity

I'd be far more concerned about replacing McAtee than Berge

 

[Brownieblade]

I'd bring in players in CM to make us stronger for the 60-65% of games when we don't have the ball, and strengthen up top and on the left side to improve creativity

I'd be far more concerned about replacing McAtee than Berge

If you think the suggestions you made earlier would do that then fine, there is no harm in disagreeing and hopefully you are right but to me it looked like a relegation side from start off

I can see the harder to replace McAtee point but you aren’t getting near finding someone like that impact in a higher league with a small budget and selling the more creative of your roster for 10 million

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Is this figure of £20m true and is It just purchases, subsequently leaving more money available for loans and signing on fees?
no one knows, so why get upset about something that has not been confirmed.

The article clearly said wages, including for loans and free agents was covered. The £20m was for purchases.
Could be bollocks though.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

If you think the suggestions you made earlier would do that then fine, there is no harm in disagreeing and hopefully you are right but to me it looked like a relegation side from start off

I can see the harder to replace McAtee point but you aren’t getting near finding someone like that impact in a higher league with a small budget and selling the more creative of your roster for 10 million

It's probably going to look like a relegation side with a 20m budget whether Berge stays or not, isn't it

Berge's numbers at championship level by the way are far from indicative of someone who'll be any serious creative force in the PL