adkins the clown and has to go

[Barney]

You're pushing the bollocks that he could sign who he liked when he liked.

Which is clearly bollocks.

No I'm clearly not. That is what you're telling me I'm pushing because it suits your argument.

 

[Barney]

It's well known that Sammon was a Clough signing.
Edgar wasn't. He seems to be a bit of an anomaly but he's been good since we got Baptiste. Hit and miss at the start. I don't quite know the background to his signing but I'm not going to make assumptions that he is evidence of a secret/mystery/hidden scouting network we possessed over the summer.

A bit of an anomaly. Brilliant.

 

[PeteBlade]

No I'm clearly not. That is what you're telling me I'm pushing because it suits your argument.

The irony of your comments amuse me.

 

[BeatleBlade]

A bit of an anomaly. Brilliant.

Well it is an anomaly. Unlike the others Adkins has no previous experience with him. Turned up when we'd just appointed Turnbull. Maybe he'd been looking at him at Scunthorpe. I don't know. That's why he's an anomaly.

 

[Barney]

The irony of your comments amuse me.

I wouldn't wish to bring up your proud history of ironic showings.

 

[Barney]

Well it is an anomaly. Unlike the others Adkins has no previous experience with him. Turned up when we'd just appointed Turnbull. Maybe he'd been looking at him at Scunthorpe. I don't know. That's why he's an anomaly.

The reality is you've just come out with a bold statements like there was no scouting system in place. Then when you're pulled up on that with a player that doesn't fit your pattern, it's an "anomaly". Maybe it is an anomaly, and is a signing that has come out of nowhere and can't be explained. Or maybe your big theory is a shed load of rusty bollocks.

 

[BeatleBlade]

The reality is you've just come out with a bold statements like there was no scouting system in place. Then when you're pulled up on that with a player that doesn't fit your pattern, it's an "anomaly". Maybe it is an anomaly, and is a signing that has come out of nowhere and can't be explained. Or maybe your big theory is a shed load of rusty bollocks.

That's what anomalies are. Something that deviates from the norm. At the time, it did.
You were very keen to listen to a certain ITK poster about the budget which you've quoted quite a lot but when that same person made the points that I am making about the scouting network you've completely ignored him! You're picking and choosing to suit your agenda. It's quite obvious they know a fair amount about what goes on behind the scenes so I'm not going to ignore some facts like you choose to do because it doesn't fit your blinkered view.
We didn't have a proper scouting network in place, that's a fact. It's been completely overhauled this season. Unless you know something we don't about this scouting network we had that you'd care to share with us?

 

[Barney]

That's what anomalies are. Something that deviates from the norm. At the time, it did.
You were very keen to listen to a certain ITK poster about the budget which you've quoted quite a lot but when that same person made the points that I am making about the scouting network you've completely ignored him! You're picking and choosing to suit your agenda. It's quite obvious they know a fair amount about what goes on behind the scenes so I'm not going to ignore some facts like you choose to do because it doesn't fit your blinkered view.
We didn't have a proper scouting network in place, that's a fact. It's been completely overhauled this season. Unless you know something we don't about this scouting network we had that you'd care to share with us?

What has he said about the scouting network? I know for a nailed on fact that a football club does not run with absolutely no scouting system in place. You suggested a few weeks ago that all our scouts left when Clough was sacked and were pulled up on your bollocks then. I notice you've now changed your point though. It's now "not a "proper" scouting network"? I thought you said we didn't have one at all? Make thee mind up.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

We sold him for far less than what we should have got for him

Not really to do with the thread but McCabe addressed this on Thursday:

• when Murphy left there were two clubs bidding for him (implication being we got market rate)
• we got "over £2m" (make of that what you will bc a transfer these days, like buying anything really, is no longer a single price)

 

[PeteBlade]

What has he said about the scouting network? I know for a nailed on fact that a football club does not run with absolutely no scouting system in place. You suggested a few weeks ago that all our scouts left when Clough was sacked and were pulled up on your bollocks then. I notice you've now changed your point though. It's now "not a "proper" scouting network"? I thought you said we didn't have one at all? Make thee mind up.

Simon Clough was his head of recruitment or head scout wasn't he?

I imagine he left with his brother.

 

[Barney]

Simon Clough was his head of recruitment or head scout wasn't he?

I imagine he left with his brother.

He did indeed. What does that change? The scouting system they had would still have been there and all SUFC scouts that worked under him did not leave with Clough. That's a fantasy remark that BeatleBlade has made up out of the confines of his own imagination.

 

[BeatleBlade]

What has he said about the scouting network? I know for a nailed on fact that a football club does not run with absolutely no scouting system in place. You suggested a few weeks ago that all our scouts left when Clough was sacked and were pulled up on your bollocks then. I notice you've now changed your point though. It's now "not a "proper" scouting network"? I thought you said we didn't have one at all? Make thee mind up.

Really? I don't remember that. Could you link me to that? We did lose his brother and most of his staff were paid off though.
Yeah, I don't know the full details, so I've gotten a bit mixed up but I'm getting at the same point. The scouting network at the start was amateurish, not permanent and certainly not good enough to get us out of this league with the budget set for transfers.

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http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.ph...le-season-no-excuses.46220/page-4#post-989535
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http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/ashleigh-artwell.46014/#post-981006
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http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/ashleigh-artwell.46014/#post-980873

 

[BeatleBlade]

He did indeed. What does that change? The scouting system they had would still have been there and all SUFC scouts that worked under him did not leave with Clough. That's a fantasy remark that BeatleBlade has made up out of the confines of his own imagination.

Haha, we lost the head scout and according to an ITK poster there was no permanent network in place! What does that say about the scouting network?

 

[BeatleBlade]

Not really to do with the thread but McCabe addressed this on Thursday:

• when Murphy left there were two clubs bidding for him (implication being we got market rate)
• we got "over £2m" (make of that what you will bc a transfer these days, like buying anything really, is no longer a single price)

If we held onto him we would have gotten more for him in the league above. Also, even though selling in January isn't a good idea in my view (didn't work with Blackman) we would have gotten more for him at that point. Wingers are very expensive now and we should have held him to the contract he signed, or at best left the decision to the manager himself.

 

[Barney]

Haha, we lost the head scout and according to an ITK poster there was no permanent network in place! What does that say about the scouting network?

It says there was one in place. Something you denied in this very thread. It also says that the head scout left with the manager and not every other scout.

 

[blade too long]

No, we've stayed basically the same. It's a transition year too, unlike Clough's last season.

why did we need a transition year

did Wigan

 

[BeatleBlade]

It says there was one in place. Something you denied in this very thread. It also says that the head scout left with the manager and not every other scout.

Not a permanent scouting network, there wasn't one of them but if you want to play semantics. I got mixed up, my mistake.
There were no other permanent scouts, that's the point. It's already limited, then we lose the head scout. What sort of a scouting network is that? People working freelance for the club but nobody directing them at all.

 

[Barney]

why did we need a transition year

did Wigan

I don't recall Bristol City needing much of a transition year either.

 

[blade too long]

That's nonsense. The squad last year was dire and was being pulled along by a player who was top of the Championship quality

Bottom line is, he hasn't been given a fair chance. He hasn't had the best of seasons but we're slowly starting to see the progress we need.

what bollocks , we werent reliant on Murphy one bit, he had many poor games and isnt a Brighton ever present
and what progress was there in yesterdays utterly limp display and the 2 0=0 draws we needed to win

 

[BeatleBlade]

why did we need a transition year

did Wigan

Ask the board.
I'm guessing it's because we spent too much and needed to clear the crap. I don't know much about Wigan's situtation but I assume it was more like our first season down here.

 

[blade too long]

Ask the board.
I'm guessing it's because we spent too much and needed to clear the crap. I don't know much about Wigan's situtation but I assume it was more like our first season down here.

we needed a manager prepared to take risks ,
a manager who made us play so we got excited
If we had at any time looked remotely capable of being entertaining Id say let him stay
but we have got more dull to watch

 

[BeatleBlade]

whatv bollocks , we werent reliant on Murphy one bit
and what progress was there in yesterdays utterly limp display and the 2 0=0 draws we needed to win

Murphy is a key player in a team that currently sits 3rd in the Championship. There were games last year he turned around completely by himself, Swindon at home being a notable example. I remember last year I worked out what his goals and assists had got us last season and it was somewhere in the region of 15 points.
Yesterday we weren't good enough (20 shots with poor finishing) but in recent weeks there has been progress in the performances which is clear for all to see.

 

[BeatleBlade]

we needed a manager prepared to take risks ,
a manager who made us play so we got excited
If we had at any time looked remotely capable of being entertaining Id say let him stay
but we have got more dull to watch

I disagree there. We're not half as boring as the previous season. We've been bad for the most partbut there have been games when we've been a lot better but with the same players it's hard to drastically change the playing style, especially when they brought in to play boring football. A manager can't just turn up and tell the players to start playing Tiki Taka and expect it to work. These things take time.

 

[blade too long]

Murphy is a key player in a team that currently sits 3rd in the Championship. There were games last year he turned around completely by himself, Swindon at home being a notable example. I remember last year I worked out what his goals and assists had got us last season and it was somewhere in the region of 15 points.
Yesterday we weren't good enough (20 shots with poor finishing) but in recent weeks there has been progress in the performances which is clear for all to see.

there were games when Porter turned games round for us,. and Done turned turned games round for us
where was Murphy in the play off semi , was invisible
he hasnt scored for brighton since feb 23 rd

 

[Barney]

There were no other permanent scouts, that's the point.

Yes there really was though. Why was it limited? As I keep saying, not every scout left with Clough when he was sacked. You have based your arguments in this thread on the fact that Adkins has made poor signings because there was "no scouting system in place". The facts prove that this is a totally void excuse for poor recruitment because the scouting system that Simon Clough had was still in place when he left, it didn't disintegrate in to mid air. Now you seem to be backtracking though and changing what you said so who knows what your argument is now.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[BeatleBlade]

there were games when Porter turned games round for us,. and Done turned turned games round for us
where was Murphy in the play off semi , was invisible
he hasnt scored for brighton since feb 23 rd

Why weren't they signed by better clubs then? Why isn't Porter playing a key role in Burnley's title charge? Why isn't Done playing week in week out for Middlesborough?
What are his assists like for Brighton though? He didn't just contribute goals.

 

[blade too long]

I disagree there. We're not half as boring as the previous season. We've been bad for the most partbut there have been games when we've been a lot better but with the same players it's hard to drastically change the playing style, especially when they brought in to play boring football. A manager can't just turn up and tell the players to start playing Tiki Taka and expect it to work. These things take time.

name me 5 games thats excited you
try and get one near the win over forest in the cup

or beating Swindon 2=0 in the league, when we ran them ragged
or our 3=1 win at bristol city

 

[blade too long]

Why weren't they signed by better clubs then? Why isn't Porter playing a key role in Burnley's title charge? Why isn't Done playing week in week out for Middlesborough?
What are his assists like for Brighton though? He didn't just contribute goals.

selling murphy shjould not have left the void it did
why oh why didnt Adkins bring in a specialist winger , on loan
and dont say the board stopped him, thats not true
he knew we didnt have a similar player , didnt have to be as good , just do a job

 

[BeatleBlade]

Yes there really was though. Why was it limited? As I keep saying, not every scout left with Clough when he was sacked. You have based your arguments in this thread on the fact that Adkins has made poor signings because there was "no scouting system in place". The facts prove that this is a totally void excuse for poor recruitment because the scouting system that Simon Clough had was still in place when he left, it didn't disintegrate in to mid air. Now you seem to be backtracking though and changing what you said so who knows what your argument is now.

No it wasn't a permanent scouting network and it was incredibly limited. Do you really think that the previous scouting network was good enough to get Sheffield United out of League One? If so, why did it fail so badly last season when there was a lot of money to spend?
The scouting system we had left was virtually non existent because it wasn't made up of permanent scouts. The head scout left and we didn't have a replacement until Turnbull turned up.
No I'm not backtracking.