adkins the clown and has to go

[him behind you]

Simple question from me without the sarcasm. Do you think he's been good enough so far and did you expect us at the start of the season to end up midtable? No of course you didn't. I haven't anywhere said he should be sacked but he has shown us nothing so far to suggest he is the man for the job

I still don't think we should underestimate the impact that the attitude of most of those tossers who have pulled on the white and red shirt has had this season. Many of them were the cup tarts we moaned about last season but they've not even cared during any big games this season. Yes, the manager should motivate them but shouldn't they be professional enough to do their jobs to the best of their ability or at least to show some commitment to the paying fans? I had my rant after Southend about what I thought about the attitude of the players and stand by it all. Unbelievably for me, I've not been since that game so can't comment about improvements but I still think the only way forward (and the only thing that will make me renew my ST) is to let the manager (who ever it is and IMO I think we should give Adkins time to do it) clear out this shit and to build his own team, a team that has pride and passion and will play for the manager and, most importantly, the fans.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

McCabe will never be good at Blackjack - doesn't know when to stick or twist when it comes to managers. In terms of getting rid of Adkins all I would say is to be careful what you wish for. I just don't think the money is there. Its gone.

Whoever is the manager I am fully expecting a number of year long extensions, some out of contract signings and a couple of loans - can't see any major buys - didn't McCabe say that they had spent more than should have been necessary already at the fans forum ? I can see us selling Adams though, possibly Done as well - with or without the Manager's agreement. Clough did the money and overloaded the squad not Adkins. Adkins hasn't pulled up any trees managerially on the pitch but I'm pretty sure he didn't appreciate fully he was walking into the toxic debacle that is Sheffield United.

Turnbull has to become the first chief scout to deliver at the Lane in a long time or we are here for a while yet. Most of the kids are nowhere near ready or good enough yet.

 

[blade too long]

Fuck me, punctuation is a lost art these days.

yes I was thinking as Coventrys third goal went in ending our season , the last thing I need now is a stray apostrophe in one of the threads
That will really grind my gears

 

[blade too long]

Yes, let's sack the manager. The model of sacking managers every year that we currently use is clearly working perfectly and surely there would be no reason to change this.

we have had less managers than Chelsea in the last decade and theyve won 8 trophies

cant see how changing managers makes one blind bit of difference
It really ruined Wednesday 5 years ago chasing us didnt it

 

[spongebobblade]

I still don't think we should underestimate the impact that the attitude of most of those tossers who have pulled on the white and red shirt has had this season. Many of them were the cup tarts we moaned about last season but they've not even cared during any big games this season. Yes, the manager should motivate them but shouldn't they be professional enough to do their jobs to the best of their ability or at least to show some commitment to the paying fans? I had my rant after Southend about what I thought about the attitude of the players and stand by it all. Unbelievably for me, I've not been since that game so can't comment about improvements but I still think the only way forward (and the only thing that will make me renew my ST) is to let the manager (who ever it is and IMO I think we should give Adkins time to do it) clear out this shit and to build his own team, a team that has pride and passion and will play for the manager and, most importantly, the fans.

I take your point, but as I've said, we have seen very little impact from Adkins and his supposed abilities. His signings (Hammond and Woolford) have been poor. Tactically he has been poor and after 12 months almost in charge he has taken us down to midtable. Who amongst us right now thinks Adkins will get us promoted next year? Very few I suspect. Unless the pre season signings are outstanding and Lee Turnbull has finally started to earn his money we will head into the new season at our lowest ebb in years

 

[blade too long]

surely managers make players attitudes what they are
Barnsley manager made a bottom 6 team turn an 18 point deficit behind us into a play off spot
by changing the players attitudes, in no time at all
Adkins got a full pre season to mould minds into the right mind set
failed miserably

we go into our last home game with Scunny still playing for something which really rubs it in how ineffectual he has been
scunny have bettered us with nothing like our resources,, disappointing doesn't begin to cover it

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

As a debut post I've got to say that I hope you can do better

Not sure about the Adkins out, but he has a point Swiss, for the Dingles to close such a gap and then sail on serenely past us, unbelievable.

 

[sheffielder]

Apart from the excuse that we can't sack yet another manager can someone tell me what Adkins has done to deserve another season? I need some selling

 

[Revolution]

Apart from the excuse that we can't sack yet another manager can someone tell me what Adkins has done to deserve another season? I need some selling

If anyone can choose a replacement who will do worse, McCabe can.

 

[super_pig]

A team that stumbled across the finishing line at the end of last season, playing some awful football, and promptly got humiliated by Swindon in the semi final. The team was in decline for some time before Adkins took over.

very true.. but on league position, regardless of style, manner etc.. we are lower than last year.. i'd have sympathy for the guy if he didn't keep prattling this management crap. this is yorkshire mate. we don't do overspin. he reminds me of Martinez at Everton

 

[HillmortonBlade]

very true.. but on league position, regardless of style, manner etc.. we are lower than last year.. i'd have sympathy for the guy if he didn't keep prattling this management crap. this is yorkshire mate. we don't do overspin. he reminds me of Martinez at Everton

I have adopted a simple policy to overcome this problem.

I don't listen to his interviews. I have never listened to any manager interviews, they rarely say anything.

I have however, moved from Adkins-Supportive to Adkins-Questioning, there's only Adkins-Concern to go before I reach Adkins-Sack.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

If anyone can choose a replacement who will do worse, McCabe can.

That's the big problem in wanting Adkins the failure gone.

 

[super_pig]

I have adopted a simple policy to overcome this problem.

I don't listen to his interviews. I have never listened to any manager interviews, they rarely say anything.

I have however, moved from Adkins-Supportive to Adkins-Questioning, there's only Adkins-Concern to go before I reach Adkins-Sack.

i'm still at Adkins-Concern if i'm honest. there is only one thing holding me back and that is that a new manager might want to give them another 'clean slate'.. i'd get rid of the lot except billy, brayford, longy and che.. they are the ones who will be sold though

 

[PeteBlade]

Adkins never inherited a wholesale changes job, it's the same problem as last season - lack of leadership down the spine, dominant centre half, midfield player with a bit of bite and an effective target man - put them three in and the team would look much better. A defence of Brayford-(Morgan type)-Edgar-McEveley, would be fine, a midfield of Flynn-(Booker type)-Reed-Adams would be fine (Shipperley type)-Sharp would be fine. I'd just point out Morgan, Booker and Shipperley were all frees, so with the correct signings made it wouldn't have cost Adkins much to get out of this division. He's a tosser, get shut.

Simple this football management lark, eh?

 

[PeteBlade]

Morgan, Booker and Shipperley would have all been on considerably less than Hammond and Sammon and I dare say he could have got two more effective and cheaper centre halves than Edgar. Except Adkins doesn't look at tier 3 or 4 he only shops in Championship or Prem with wages to match. Adkins has been an awful match for our club, cut our losses now and get shut. Get Wilder or Warnock in asap before they go somewhere else.

Didn't we sign Shipperley from a team in the premier league?

 

[alcoblade]

.
Adkins got a full pre season to mould minds into the right mind set
failed miserably
.it

Even by your pitifully low standards, this one takes some beating.

UTB

 

[PeteBlade]

Less points, worse finishing position, Won fewer games, scored less goals, conceded more.

Some fans defining that as progress yet drove Clough out cos they were shouting from the rooftops about going backwards.

Only in the weird world of know it all football fans.

#mythbusting302

The fans didn't "drive Clough out".

 

[Finnieston]

Simple question from me without the sarcasm. Do you think he's been good enough so far and did you expect us at the start of the season to end up midtable? No of course you didn't. I haven't anywhere said he should be sacked but he has shown us nothing so far to suggest he is the man for the job

Totally agree but you cant keep changing managers every ten months. Recent history confirms this . Inherited a load of players who wernt fit...........It all takes time unfortunately

 

[BeatleBlade]

heh.. i'm not bigging up clough.. far from it.. but we have gone backwards since Adkins arrived.

No, we've stayed basically the same. It's a transition year too, unlike Clough's last season.

 

[BeatleBlade]

Total outlay is the most important factor in deciding whether a manager has had the required resources. We sold Murphy but even without him we had a squad that £1.5 million could easily have transformed into automatic promotion material. He has had enough resources this season for promotion and he has failed.

That's nonsense. The squad last year was dire and was being pulled along by a player who was top of the Championship quality. We sold him for far less than what we should have got for him, just after he signed a new contract. To suggest that last years squad was nearly good enough is laughable. Last year most on here (myself included) thought that the squad was god but Clough had held them back, but it turns out that largely isn't the case. They aren't good enough and without Murphy last year we would have been miles off the play offs.

Are you genuinely claiming that £1.5 million was not enough of an outlay to take a 5th placed side into the automatic places of division three?

Given the circumstances, no. Without a proper scouting network promotion was a pipe dream unless we through money at it, and even that failed last year. You've hinted at the need for a proper scouting network in some of your posts so I think you should cut Adkins some slack because we started the season without one. He has put one in place now.
£1.5 million with a proper scouting network is doable. However, even then this club has more problems. The amount of players in the squad has not helped matters, causing rifts in the dressing room and restricting the budget further. This has limited Adkins even more in the transfer market.
To add more to that, there are only a few players where we had real quality. With the money Adkins has spent he's had to find a replacement for Murphy (who he was expecting to keep), two central defenders, a replacement for Doyle, a striker and other areas that needed improving too. All those positions with the money coming from just one player (who we undervalued). Add to that the loss of Baxter.

Bottom line is, he hasn't been given a fair chance. He hasn't had the best of seasons but we're slowly starting to see the progress we need.

 

[Maidenhead]

So now season over time for adkins to go when barnsley were bottom of the league we was 18 points clear of them now we are going to finish behind them and he kept playing his poxy boyfriend sammon game after game and hammond his lover boy when clearly we as fans could see neither are good enough sammon and hammond should be made to pay for the renew of any season tickets for there garbage and utter pathetic performances

Adkins out and the board out to

so get yer cheque book out and sort it then.

 

[BeatleBlade]

You can instill confidence without having the tools or transfer budget. Ask Rotherham fans (and before you ask, no thank you) When the subject of Adkins tenure was brought up after the Southend game I said then that I desperately wanted to see before the season finished some hope for next season that he knew what he was doing and had a plan and targets. He has enjoyed a slight resurgence with the 352 but it's looking shaky with the last two away games and certainly doesn't look a promotion winning shape or team at present. We need a huge overhaul but the majority of us fear it just isn't going to happen

Warnock has done incredibly well, no doubt. However, he's a bit of a one off case. Not many managers could have done what he did and he deserves the kudos from that. However, their situation seemed to be the opposite to us. Inherited a good squad, tactical ineptitude. Adkins inherited a bad squad that got results from good tactics (we played boring but it got us somewhere). It's harder to make crap players good.
We don't look like a promotion winning team at the moment and we do need an overhaul though I agree. These things just take time and I believe Adkins is the man to do that. The board though, I have my doubts. The fan forum has had the effect of making me more worried than I was before!

 

[Barney]

That's nonsense. The squad last year was dire and was being pulled along by a player who was top of the Championship quality. We sold him for far less than what we should have got for him, just after he signed a new contract. To suggest that last years squad was nearly good enough is laughable. Last year most on here (myself included) thought that the squad was god but Clough had held them back, but it turns out that largely isn't the case. They aren't good enough and without Murphy last year we would have been miles off the play offs.


Given the circumstances, no. Without a proper scouting network promotion was a pipe dream unless we through money at it, and even that failed last year. You've hinted at the need for a proper scouting network in some of your posts so I think you should cut Adkins some slack because we started the season without one. He has put one in place now.
£1.5 million with a proper scouting network is doable. However, even then this club has more problems. The amount of players in the squad has not helped matters, causing rifts in the dressing room and restricting the budget further. This has limited Adkins even more in the transfer market.
To add more to that, there are only a few players where we had real quality. With the money Adkins has spent he's had to find a replacement for Murphy (who he was expecting to keep), two central defenders, a replacement for Doyle, a striker and other areas that needed improving too. All those positions with the money coming from just one player (who we undervalued). Add to that the loss of Baxter.

Bottom line is, he hasn't been given a fair chance. He hasn't had the best of seasons but we're slowly starting to see the progress we need.

Never read so much bollocks in my entire life. He did not start the season without a scouting system in place. When are you going to realise this? You are coming up with all these excuses as to why Adkins didn't recruit better. He had signed 4 players that we had for almost the entire season. Some feat for a club with no means to recruit as you are bizarrely suggesting.

 

[PeteBlade]

Never read so much bollocks in my entire life. He did not start the season without a scouting system in place. When are you going to realise this? You are coming up with all these excuses as to why Adkins didn't recruit better. He had signed 4 players that we had for almost the entire season. Some feat for a club with no means to recruit as you are bizarrely suggesting.

You still pushing the bollocks that he had no restrictions on his recruitment?

 

[Barney]

You still pushing the bollocks that he had no restrictions on his recruitment?

I'm denying the bollocks that he had no means to recruit.

 

[BeatleBlade]

Never read so much bollocks in my entire life. He did not start the season without a scouting system in place. When are you going to realise this? You are coming up with all these excuses as to why Adkins didn't recruit better. He had signed 4 players that we had for almost the entire season. Some feat for a club with no means to recruit as you are bizarrely suggesting.

Nonsense, we didn't have a proper scouting network in place. He has had to completely overhaul the scouting system this season. These things take time, you have shift out players who can't even pass water and then scouts can get on with making reports on players which aren't quick either. Scouts don't just sign players based on watching one performance of a player. That would be recipe for a disaster. We are starting to see the fruits of the new network with Baptiste. It's a shame that when the new system was actually in place we had no more money to spend!
He signed mostly ex-players at the start of the season, Sharp, Woolford and Hammond.
It's not making excuses, it's understanding that things aren't as black and white as you seem to think. There are a lot of factors at play which you seem to have no concept of at all! You've had it in for Adkins since the first game of the season and you've got this incredibly dogmatic and blinkered approach to the topic. You need to understand that these things take time and despite Adkins' impressive CV, he never claimed to have a magic wand!
The club has a lot of issues which need sorting out and those are not quick fixes.

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm denying the bollocks that he had no means to recruit.

You're pushing the bollocks that he could sign who he liked when he liked.

Which is clearly bollocks.

 

[PeteBlade]

Nonsense, we didn't have a proper scouting network in place. He has had to completely overhaul the scouting system this season. These things take time, you have shift out players who can't even pass water and then scouts can get on with making reports on players which aren't quick either. Scouts don't just sign players based on watching one performance of a player. That would be recipe for a disaster. We are starting to see the fruits of the new network with Baptiste. It's a shame that when the new system was actually in place we had no more money to spend!
He signed mostly ex-players, Sharp, Woolford and Hammond.
It's not making excuses, it's understanding that things aren't as black and white as you seem to think. There are a lot of factors at play which you seem to have no concept of at all! You've had it in for Adkins since the first game of the season and you've got this incredibly dogmatic and blinkered approach to the topic. You need to understand that these things take time and despite Adkins' impressive CV, he never claimed to have a magic wand!
The club has a lot of issues which need sorting out and those are not quick fixes.

He's very much one of the newer breed of Championship Manager types of football fan.

 

[Barney]

Nonsense, we didn't have a proper scouting network in place. He has had to completely overhaul the scouting system this season. These things take time, you have shift out players who can't even pass water and then scouts can get on with making reports on players which aren't quick either. Scouts don't just sign players based on watching one performance of a player. That would be recipe for a disaster. We are starting to see the fruits of the new network with Baptiste. It's a shame that when the new system was actually in place we had no more money to spend!
He signed mostly ex-players, Sharp, Woolford and Hammond.
It's not making excuses, it's understanding that things aren't as black and white as you seem to think. There are a lot of factors at play which you seem to have no concept of at all! You've had it in for Adkins since the first game of the season and you've got this incredibly dogmatic and blinkered approach to the topic. You need to understand that these things take time and despite Adkins' impressive CV, he never claimed to have a magic wand!
The club has a lot of issues which need sorting out and those are not quick fixes.

What about Sammon and Edgar? You have claimed there was no scouting system, and they haven't played for Adkins. So how did he sign those? Names out of a hat?

 

[BeatleBlade]

What about Sammon and Edgar? You have claimed there was no scouting system, and they haven't played for Adkins. So how did he sign those? Names out of a hat?

It's well known that Sammon was a Clough signing.
Edgar wasn't. He seems to be a bit of an anomaly but he's been good since we got Baptiste. Hit and miss at the start. I don't quite know the background to his signing but I'm not going to make assumptions that he is evidence of a secret/mystery/hidden scouting network we possessed over the summer.