Austerity

[Blade58]

Do you not think plenty of players left too , with their transfer fees and wages ?

of course there were but we still ended up with a top heavy squad and over budget

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

First and foremost, excellent result today, and one that I'm sure club legends Chris Morgan...and, erm, Danny Wilson will not have enjoyed.

But Nigel Adkins pre match interview was a real worry for me, and casts major doubt on our chances next season.

Talking about the players we have already taking up next seasons budget and cutting our cloth accordingly are incredibly worrying and clearly preparing us for what next season will be like

I can't believe cutting our cloth has come up again, after several years failing to get out of a shit division. The last time the owners talked like this we got ourselves relegated.

What is the Prince's move here? He's only here to try and make money and he'd only come close to doing that should we be in a higher division, but we look set to continue the cost cutting exercises of this season.

How is it possible that we can't compete with the likes of Burton, Wigan and Gillingham?

They'll be backed by another strong following next year, surely we can put together a reasonable squad with players from this league and below on sensible wages for sensible fees?

Surely these successful businessmen can see this too?

What I don't understand is that surely we'd still have the biggest budget in this division just based off of crowds, match day revenue, corporate sponsorships etc. Plus any scraps McCabe/Prince throw our way.

Two of the teams coming down will have smaller budgets than us - Bolton, MK Dons and Charlton aren't exactly in good shape.

Who else in this division would have a bigger budget then us?? Barnsley won't, Peterborough won't, Bradford won't. Maybe Coventry????

Finally since we have come down from the Premier League we've had parachute payments for three years, 25 million from West Ham, 8 million from the Kyles, 4 million from Lowton, 1 million from Slew, 4 million from Jags, 2 million from Tonge, 2 million from Beattie, 2 million from Magurie, 1.5 million (I think) from Murphy, 1.2 million for Blackman, 750K McDonald. Thats 55.5 million (not counting other nominal transfer outgoings), plus whatever the parachute payments were.

This should probably have a thread of its own, but where the hell has 55.5 million, plus parachute payment, plus "investment" from the Prince and McCabe gone to?? That must be over 100 million of surplus money that doesn't even take into account the income from season tickets, gate receipts, sponsorships. Crazy.

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm a big fan of all this money we spent under Clough. Was that the money that was earned from 2 cup runs and the sale of Harry McGuire for £2.5m or something? Now, assuming Clough used all that money he still had us in balance. Big Jim has said somewhere that the players were bought from that money.

So if we are being fair, he earned his own transfer kitty no?

I imagine the fee + several years worth of wages for John Brayford alone would have eaten up the Harry money.

As for the rest of them and their wages, you're genuinely suggesting Clough left us with a surplus?

Seriously?

 

[finlaytheblade]

I imagine the fee + several years worth of wages for John Brayford alone would have eaten up the Harry money.

As for the rest of them and their wages, you're genuinely suggesting Clough left us with a surplus?

Seriously?

What a pathetic lot you are all this negativity after thrashing Chesterfield 3-0 ( it should have been 6. ) we still have an outside chance of play offs and
the negativity is shocking ,let's leave next seasons budget to the future and get us over the line this season.
Our budget next season will be competitive let's leave that till later ,now get behind the team ,we can do it. !!

 

[PeteBlade]

What a pathetic lot you are all this negativity after thrashing Chesterfield 3-0 ( it should have been 6. ) we still have an outside chance of play offs and
the negativity is shocking ,let's leave next seasons budget to the future and get us over the line this season.
Our budget next season will be competitive let's leave that till later ,now get behind the team ,we can do it. !!

What a pathetic response to a very debate worthy subject.

If you're incapable of debating such subjects, don't comment on the thread, eh?

 

[finlaytheblade]

What a pathetic response to a very debate worthy subject.

If you're incapable of debating such subjects, don't comment on the thread, eh?

Nothing wrong with debating it but all the debaters are negative charlies

 

[Barney]

Nothing wrong with debating it but all the debaters are negative charlies

Time to come home from 't pub now Finlay.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Time to come home from 't pub now Finlay.

Enjoyed a pint on the back of that win this afternoon Barney.

 

[PeteBlade]

Nothing wrong with debating it but all the debaters are negative charlies

So we're allowed to debate as long as we agree with you?

What childish nonsense.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

"Talking about the players we have already taking up next seasons budget and cutting our cloth accordingly are incredibly worrying and clearly preparing us for what next season will be like"

I hope the club aren't claiming they are skint. McCabe wrote the debts off when the Prince arrived, we've been inside the FFP 65% of turnover rule since then, not to mention lucrative cup runs to two semi-finals, a big pay day at Old Trafford, the sales of Maguire and Murphy for around £4.5m and average crowds not far off 20k. Top level at the club needs ousting. It fucking stinks if McCabe and/or the Prince are pleading poverty.

 

[Blade58]

Nothing wrong with debating it but all the debaters are negative charlies

Perhaps the last 8 years of witnessing the clubs demise have contributed to the negativity? Just a thought

I try to balance the negative posts with constructive criticism and praise whenever I feel it's warranted, but boy, it gets more and more difficult these days after witnessing to date what in the main can only be described as a very disappointing and unsatisfactory season...................yet again

 

[Sean Thornton]

"Talking about the players we have already taking up next seasons budget and cutting our cloth accordingly are incredibly worrying and clearly preparing us for what next season will be like"

I hope the club aren't claiming they are skint. McCabe wrote the debts off when the Prince arrived, we've been inside the FFP 65% of turnover rule since then, not to mention lucrative cup runs to two semi-finals, a big pay day at Old Trafford, the sales of Maguire and Murphy for around £4.5m and average crowds not far off 20k. Top level at the club needs ousting. It fucking stinks if McCabe and/or the Prince are pleading poverty.

Id say we've only been within the 65%/60% SCMP limit due to owner investment. The accounts dont give a wages breakdown but it's a reasonable assumption based on the amounts shown.

Fixed costs have remained pretty much the same over the last few years. The only major variables affecting profitability is increased gate receipts or reduced football wages. The first is likely to reduce next year, God knows about the wage bill.

 

[Barney]

Enjoyed a pint on the back of that win this afternoon Barney.

I can tell. You've gone off on rambles about negativity before after you'd had a few.

 

[blade67]

not sure I'm that bothered about a lower budget. A high budget has done us no good has it?

If Yeovil and Burton/Walsall can get up, then I'm sure that the blades with an average budget can do it.

Don't get me wrong I'd love us to get taken over by the crown prince of Qatar but in the absence of real money, the manager will have to do a good job instead.

What does "Talking about the players we have already taking up next seasons budget ", really mean though. It could mean that the 30 odd players we currently have currently eats up the entire budget, the fact that 18 of them are out of contract means that Adkins has loads of options. If it means that the 14 left eats up our entire budget we are in the shit.

Perhaps someone on here can advise?????

 

[Blade58]

not sure I'm that bothered about a lower budget. A high budget has done us no good has it?

If Yeovil and Burton/Walsall can get up, then I'm sure that the blades with an average budget can do it.

Don't get me wrong I'd love us to get taken over by the crown prince of Qatar but in the absence of real money, the manager will have to do a good job instead.

What does "Talking about the players we have already taking up next seasons budget ", really mean though. It could mean that the 30 odd players we currently have currently eats up the entire budget, the fact that 18 of them are out of contract means that Adkins has loads of options. If it means that the 14 left eats up our entire budget we are in the shit.

Perhaps someone on here can advise?????

18 out of contract, but how many will actually leave? I suspect perhaps not as many as fans think or even hope will leave

 

[Barney]

18 out of contract, but how many will actually leave? I suspect perhaps not as many as fans think or even hope will leave

Only 11 isn't there? Unless you are factoring in some youngsters that have been offered pro deals?

Edit: 15 if you include those currently on loan.

 

[Blade58]

Only 11 isn't there? Unless you are factoring in some youngsters that have been offered pro deals?

Edit: 14 if you include those currently on loan.

Don't know barney. Blade67's post says 18

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's amazing how interpretations change to suit. One minute it's "Adkins always talks bollocks" next his every word is taken as gospel.

Why is that?

 

[Barney]

Don't know barney. Blade67's post says 18

Did a post about it ages ago, this is copied from there...

Out of contract:

Harris
Howard
Flynn
McEveley
McFadzean
JCR
McGahey
Cuvelier
Whiteman
Kennedy
Long

Then there's

Sammon
Edgar
Hammond
Baptiste

Whose loans end at the end of the season.

 

[blade67]

18 out of contract, but how many will actually leave? I suspect perhaps not as many as fans think or even hope will leave

Goalkeepers: 1 stay / 2 go
Mark Howard & George Willis - not offered 1st team contracts
George Long - offered a deal

Defenders: 2/3 stay / 4/5 go
Neill Collins - not sure, what do you think ?
Bob Harris - Gone
Keiron Freeman - still has 1 year but may be moved on
Terry Kennedy - will go
Jay McEveley - amazed if he doesn't get an offer
Harrison McGahey - optional year extension taken up
David Edgar - maybe

Midfield: up to 8 might go
Jose Baxter - hmmm , toast
Jamal Campbell-Ryce -gone
Florent Cuvelier - maybe at the deal to suit us
Ryan Flynn - optional year extension, I'd give him the option
Callum McFadzean - gone
Stefan Scougall - Contracted till end of June 2017, may still leave
James Wallace - will go
Dean Hammond - we'll offer him a deal ,
Strikers: 2 likely to leave
Marc McNulty - might leave even though his deal lasts till 2017
Conor Sammon - no chance

I reckon 14 will leave out of the 20 above, plenty of scope for Adkins to fashion a better squad

 

[Barney]

It's amazing how interpretations change to suit. One minute it's "Adkins always talks bollocks" next his every word is taken as gospel.

Why is that?

Because when he talks shit after a defeat at home, fans have been and know it's bollocks. Fans have no idea about what McCabe says to him behind closed doors. There's also less reason to lie about something like this, I don't suppose there's much point in angering the fanbase by announcing we're "cutting cloth" for no reason.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Because when he talks shit after a defeat at home, fans have been and know it's bollocks. Fans have no idea about what McCabe says to him behind closed doors. There's also less reason to lie about something like this, I don't suppose there's much point in angering the fanbase by announcing we're "cutting cloth" for no reason.

It was a rhetorical question but thanks.

 

[Barney]

It was a rhetorical question but thanks.

No worries. You must have been wondering to ask it and now you know.

 

[Bladesway]

I imagine the fee + several years worth of wages for John Brayford alone would have eaten up the Harry money.

As for the rest of them and their wages, you're genuinely suggesting Clough left us with a surplus?

Seriously?

No but what I am saying is the board didn't actually have to dig deep into its pockets. With the exception of Brayford I think the wages would have been pretty small. This is an expected cost of running a club. The cup money and HM money meant the board didn't actually subsidise the transfers.

 

[Blade82]

Bring on the austerity, don't need big bucks to get out of this league. Our budget should still be big enough and as tight as it may be it will mean us looking at the right type of player instead of hoping players on the downward spiral from higher division on over inflated wages will get us up. Key is momentum and the strong end to this season should set us up nicely . Roll on August

 

[Sean Thornton]

No worries. You must have been wondering to ask it and now you know.

Err, rhetorical?

 

[Ricky]

Even with a reduced budget we should still have plenty with all the players being released, at least to sign good free agents and loans.

I had a look through the squad, guessed who will be released/sold/retained and it left us with an estimated 50k p/w reduction in the wage bill. So theoretically we could afford to sign 10 players on 4k p/w whilst still spending less than previously, and that should be plenty. Then there's any transfer fees etc, which can hopefully partly be raised be a couple of sales (Brayford, Scougall, McNulty).

 

[Tyler Durden]

The past 9 years of Sheffield United condensed:

"We've been relegated from the Premiership and now have to cut our cloth accordingly"

"We've failed to gain promotion from the Championship and therefore with the sale of key assets, we have to cut our cloth accordingly"

"We now have to face the realities of being relegated from the Championship and must cut our cloth accordingly"

"Having failed to gain promotion from League 1, we now must cut our cloth accordingly"


......Do you see where this is going?

 

[blade67]

Err, rhetorical?

Come on Sean, stop being cryptic, really spell it out fella so Barney doesn't have any ambiguity. Alternatively, just give it up and move on to a more sensible debate

 

[Blade58]

Even with a reduced budget we should still have plenty with all the players being released, at least to sign good free agents and loans.

I had a look through the squad, guessed who will be released/sold/retained and it left us with an estimated 50k p/w reduction in the wage bill. So theoretically we could afford to sign 10 players on 4k p/w whilst still spending less than previously, and that should be plenty. Then there's any transfer fees etc, which can hopefully partly be raised be a couple of sales (Brayford, Scougall, McNulty).

Only guessing here, but I suspect without the princes money we'll be looking to lower the wage bill by a couple of million. If that were to be the case, that takes care of £40k of the £50k you mention

However many leave the club this summer expect half that amount to be signed. Save £50k - £60k/week spend £25k