Girls and football?

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vorpal blade said:
Smaller pitches are quite impractical at a park level (though relatively few pitches in parks are full size) u turn up and get what you're given.......I didn't know it was a talking point......

for me the obvious thing is to play with a size 4 ball like we did when we were youths.....?
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All I know is that when girls are into football, there might be fewer of them but they into it just as much as boys are, and in exactly the same ways.

Given this it feels like discrimination to say to the girls: When you grow up you can only play this smaller version of the game.
 
JohnDenver said:
Wowzers.
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Hey JD, if you're going to quote, please quote in context.
The 'failing society' comment followed a reference to Neighbours Mate.
The story lines in the likes of Eastenders do have an unbalanced disproportionate view of society, whether it's homosexuality, under age sex, profiting from crime, or other storylines which, like it or not, influence the young minds that watch it.
 
vorpal blade said:
But they DO have different balls, did you know that? ---- I didn't until I saw Andy Murray get into an almighty strop about it when he found he'd been given a women's ball to serve with at a tournament last week....
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Fair point and I did see that. Are women's balls not as hairy as men's balls. Who knows?
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Given this it feels like discrimination to say to the girls: When you grow up you can only play this smaller version of the game.
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Well, it does happen Fatty - Women only run 100m over ("high") hurdles, men 110 ......... the hurdles in the 400m are lower for women, it probably happens elsewhere (and I can see equality happening soon in the events I mention too)

I once heard that the only olympic sport that totally excluded a sex was Synchromeshed Swimming (is that right? will it change?).......and that the Equestrian sports were the only one's that were entirely integrated....????
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Evidence please :)
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Hasn't it been said that we are 'a product of our past' WHF?
You must agree that young minds are influenced by what they see?
I'm sure I saw somewhere once where that there was a tendency for kids who grew up playing violent computer games to be more likely to commit violence?
I'm sure one of our resident psychologist types could bear me out here?!
 
GreasyChipBeattie said:
Hey JD, if you're going to quote, please quote in context.
The 'failing society' comment followed a reference to Neighbours Mate.
The story lines in the likes of Eastenders do have an unbalanced disproportionate view of society, whether it's homosexuality, under age sex, profiting from crime, or other storylines which, like it or not, influence the young minds that watch it.
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It's one for general chat, but if drama was all about white middle class blokes working in offices and going home to their wife and two kids in a Ford Mondeo... Well drama wouldn't be the key descriptor.
 
vorpal blade said:
Well, it does happen Fatty - Women only run 100m over hurdles, men 110 ......... the hurdles in the 400m are lower for women, it probably happens elsewhere (and I can see equality happening soon in the events I mention too)

I once heard that the only olympic sport that totally excluded a sex was Synchromeshed Swimming (is that right? will it change?)
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Heptathlon v decathlon is another.

I can see the pov that there's this game called football played on a standard pitch with standard equipment and men and women play their different versions.

The alternative is there's a game called football which is played at a certain tempo and the women play with a smaller ball on a smaller pitch to match that tempo (or men play on a bigger pitch to match that tempo). I can see that too but it looks like the women prefer the first version.
 
JohnDenver said:
It's one for general chat, but if drama was all about white middle class blokes working in offices and going home to their wife and two kids in a Ford Mondeo... Well drama wouldn't be the key descriptor.
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At what price though JD?
 
GreasyChipBeattie said:
Hasn't it been said that we are 'a product of our past' WHF?
You must agree that young minds are influenced by what they see?
I'm sure I saw somewhere once where that there was a tendency for kids who grew up playing violent computer games to be more likely to commit violence?
I'm sure one of our resident psychologist types could bear me out here?!
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Tbf I think you're probably right, and I was reacting to something you didn't post.

For instance if you have a minority lifestyle then, anecdotally, any public acknowledgement of that is liberating (I thought it was just me) so, Yes there is an influence - and in many cases probably a strong one. I would've thought that no matter how many gay characters there are on a show, it's not going to alter the sexuality of the viewers.

I was making a slightly different point about, say, violent TV/games does not make people violent. Maybe violent people seek out violent games.

Hard to disentangle cause and effect.

Also wrt violence there's the argument that it's cathartic and gives a safe place to release fantasies.
 



Contrary to what most arts/film critics say and what has become the politically correct norm - that art is only a reflection on society and doesn't cause criminal behaviour, I'm with Greasy on this.

If you accept that there is such a thing as copycat crime and there is, hence the Mark Duggan Tottenham riots became the Croydon riots then it sparks up in Birmingham & Manchester - a wall collapses at the Tivoli End when we played Rotherham and then Wednesday knock it down a week later. etc.

- then there is surely bound to be copycat crime generated by people copying what they see on screen too isn't there?

- its why, though I was something of an aficionado of Hip Hop when it first was heard over here in the early 1980s, I opted out when Gangsta Rap came in a few years later - for me, without question it glamorised crime and people were inspired to commit crime by it.

-but for some reason we are excited by violence and crime, I'm no exception, I just watched 3 episodes of the BBC's 'The Night Manager'* - TV and Cinema would be anodyne and uninteresting without violence but I don't doubt that it causes crime too.




*I think the hero killed 3 people - or was it more?
 
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William Henry Foulkes said:
Tbf I think you're probably right, and I was reacting to something you didn't post.

For instance if you have a minority lifestyle then, anecdotally, any public acknowledgement of that is liberating (I thought it was just me) so, Yes there is an influence - and in many cases probably a strong one. I would've thought that no matter how many gay characters there are on a show, it's not going to alter the sexuality of the viewers.

I was making a slightly different point about, say, violent TV/games does not make people violent. Maybe violent people seek out violent games.

Hard to disentangle cause and effect.

Also wrt violence there's the argument that it's cathartic and gives a safe place to release fantasies.
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Mmmm, smoking because of peer pressure, drug taking because it offers more than 'normal life' can, Insurance fraud...'if they can do it, why shouldn't I?' All situations where people's behaviour is influenced. My point about homosexuality...or any other storyline, is that they are all disproportionate to real life. I do't understand the need to do this. Well, I guess I do. As I said earlier, a modern-thinking corporation appealing to the masses.
 
I like women's football, but I do worry about their husbands having to do their own pack up.

And the Sunday games are even worse, those poor hubby's doing without their Sunday dinners, maybe the FA need to have a rethink.
 
SwissBlade said:
isn't conference football also under exploited and also coming on leaps and bounds? Can't we have that on BBC instead?

My issue is that there are so many other top class sports out there which don't get the same front page billing on BBC that women's football gets
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Agreed. A lot of the problem is that the BBC, having wasted their budget on shite like 'Strictly' and Michael Fucking McIntyre (utterly safe bollocks to feed to the criminally-bovine on a Saturday night), has precious little real sport left. Hence they advertise 'World Cup Football' without bothering to inform people it's a bunch of extremely limited wimmin kicking a ball about. It's why every morning we're regaled on Breakfast News with stories about 'Andy Murray is through to the third round of the Rangoon Open.'

Now I can guess the response this post will get from some - people burnishing their PC credentials by claiming - wrongly - that 'there's a place for women's football'. Yeah, that's why nobody goes to watch it live. I'm an old fart who refuses to accept that otherwise-manly sports such as football, cricket, rugby etc. should get defiled by wearing pink shirts, multi-coloured laces etc. Do I care about cancer? Not really, unless myself or my nearest and dearest have got it but, as others have said, 'they' insist on ramming it down our throats. This sums it up for me.

People are shit scared to voice their own opinions. I'm not.
 
Girls football is a fast growing sport. For me the quality is irrelevant, sport is about enjoyment. There are too many kids that are happy to just sit on a computer and press buttons or tap on a mobile phone.
Girls listen & learn a lot faster than most boys, as when it comes to football boys think they know it all already. Boys watch & play far more football & for me that's the difference in quality. I've run girls teams for the last 6 years & I've loved it, the improvement & involvement from everyone playing has been fantastic.
When people on here are saying the standard is poor, what are you comparing it too? Your own ability or the premier league? I've seen some outstanding female footballers, not as many as boys but they are there.
With regards to someone's comments about boys doing 'boy sports' & girls doing 'girl sports' that's ridiculous. My U10 Street DANCE crew became World Champions and it was a 50/50 split of boys and girls.

It's not about being PC, it's 2016 anyone can do anything, it doesn't need a right & wrong or even anyone to have an opinion on it...

I could talk all day about this. I'm not here to argue, just another Opinion that isn't really needed!!! :-)
 
SwissBlade said:
It seems to be getting rammed down our throats, so to speak. Top story on BBC sport is women's football. Does anyone really care about it?
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Due to political correctness they cannot say women's football is a load of shite . Also in the overall scheme of things it's cheap to produce , therefore is getting a load of air time on telly . If you don't want to watch it , turn it off or watch another channel.

In saying that , I have no right to slag women's football off , after watching the dribble served up as supposedly football at the lane , over the last two seasons .

At least players and crowd seem to enjoy women's football , more than we can say watching the blades. , if we are being open and honest .

UTB
 
I agree, compared to Mens football , women's football has a lot of catching up to do. However, when you think that 40 years ago girls were not allowed to play either football or cricket at school but steered towards hockey and netball, then I would say that the women's game has come on in leaps and bounds.
 
I dont watch womens football either i think ive watched one game

I enjoyed it it was honest and entertaining
The thing that gets my goat is the 70's style comments from the same people who like to come on the forum and have a pop at peoples girlfriends
 
JohnDenver said:
It's one for general chat, but if drama was all about white middle class blokes working in offices and going home to their wife and two kids in a Ford Mondeo... Well drama wouldn't be the key descriptor.
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It's got legs this. I assume it's set in the near future where the policies so beloved of the Middle Classes - low wages, zero hours contracts and high house prices - are turned upon them so they end up having to live in their comapny cars?
 
raul said:
It's got legs this. I assume it's set in the near future where the policies so beloved of the Middle Classes - low wages, zero hours contracts and high house prices - are turned upon them so they end up having to live in their comapny cars?
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Boys From The Taupe Stuff.
 
Barney said:
The media are just trying to bridge the gap between men and women football. I'm sorry It just will not happen no matter how PC you are. It's like trying to get a load of blokes to take up ballet. You just have to accept that some sports suit one gender more than the other.
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Er, there are plenty of male ballet dancers you complete sexist tool (to add to all your other fucktardiness).
 
SwissBlade said:
My point is explained in my post above, but is it better to show case a sport that is a really poor standard or to showcase a sport where women are really excelling?
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Your point stands for other sports (but no one watches e.g. men's triathlon either) but this is concerted attempt by the FA to raise the awareness and over time standard of women's football, not a bad thing, some women can now make a living from football.
 



William Henry Foulkes said:
Heptathlon v decathlon is another.

I can see the pov that there's this game called football played on a standard pitch with standard equipment and men and women play their different versions.

The alternative is there's a game called football which is played at a certain tempo and the women play with a smaller ball on a smaller pitch to match that tempo (or men play on a bigger pitch to match that tempo). I can see that too but it looks like the women prefer the first version.
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Tempo of the ladies playing football is governed by the size and bounce of their boobs.
 
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