are blades managers bothered about getting sacked?

[Drunk blade]

Seems to me that Sheffield United are seen as a sacking club within the industry.

Not referring to anyone in particular but it would seem plausible that Managers could be taking on the job without doing any real research into the squad and what is needed to turn the club around, safe in the knowledge that they can have a half arsed effort at it, make bizarre signings and tactical decisions, piss off the fans, then when they fail to get promotion they will be sacked and have their three year deals paid up.

They can escape with their reputation still in tact, seven figures in the bank and get a new job because sacking managers is what the blades do.

 

[Damski]

Could say the same for virtually any club in the top 4 tiers TBF

 

[Barney]

Well if they have that attitude it's probably a good thing they go any way.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Seems to me that Sheffield United are seen as a sacking club within the industry.

Not referring to anyone in particular but it would seem plausible that Managers could be taking on the job without doing any real research into the squad and what is needed to turn the club around, safe in the knowledge that they can have a half arsed effort at it, make bizarre signings and tactical decisions, piss off the fans, then when they fail to get promotion they will be sacked and have their three year deals paid up.

They can escape with their reputation still in tact, seven figures in the bank and get a new job because sacking managers is what the blades do.

It's not just SUFC it's every club and manager . If a manager can sort out a good contract with a good salary , all tied in with the LMA and a good solicitor , then managers are on to a winner if they get the sack . Ok they may well have to negotiate and a proviso that if they take another job in a period of time , it may affect there pay off .

Who are to blame - Directors and boards who get itchy feet when things are not going right straight away .

Wrong place , wrong time with our managers , with the chairman driven by public opinion with sackings but not always on hiring .

If you finish up on free fall suppose you have to do something about it.

UTB

 

[Esablade]

Any new manager should only be signed on a 3 month 'rolling' contract with any new players signed by a selection of board members sticking pins into Championship reserve squads and crocks list.

That'll teach em'

 

[Damski]

I think it's clear that pro managers won't have such a cynical attitude. They'll be made men financially several times over by the time they come to us, so the money isn't an object in a practical, day-to-day buying a pint of milk sense. Also, even if it was a bloke with his first paid job in football, surely the passion for doing a high profile job you love is far greater than the thrill of your substantial monthly pay cheque. Or is that me just being innocent? In any case, I'm sure managers come into their appointments with the whitest of intentions, and I doubt that any manager is so callous as to purposefully fuck over the club he's managing for the cash, but yeah obviously the 7 figure pay-off isn't gonna hurt, is it.

As far as Sheffield United being seen as a sacking club, yes I do think they are, because look at the recent slurry of sacked managers since Warnock. Some deserved, others absolutely not. I feel we are getting a bad rep - That of a sleeping giant in the pub leagues that likes to throw a bucketload of money at every problem, with high expectations about promotion and on the pitch performance that are rarely met, if ever, and probably what's worst of all is our ritual manager crucifixion every 18 months.

 

[Drunk blade]

Our board are known to get itchy feet very quickly so where is the incentive to try??? The fact that so many of our managers have failed to address such obvious weaknesses in the squad seems that they have either not done their research on the squad or simply don't care or both

 

[UpTheClough]

I know Wilson was disappointed to be sacked when he was but also said Sheffield United was unlike any other club he'd worked for in terms of communication between the various personal within the club and the "cliques" on the board. He was careful not to slag anyone off personally but said the job was a constant battle to appease all sides.

 

[PeteBlade]

Our board are known to get itchy feet very quickly so where is the incentive to try??? The fact that so many of our managers have failed to address such obvious weaknesses in the squad seems that they have either not done their research on the squad or simply don't care or both

Or they aren't allowed to do their jobs properly due to how the club is run.

 

[Toledo Blade]

Seems to me that Sheffield United are seen as a sacking club within the industry.

Not referring to anyone in particular but it would seem plausible that Managers could be taking on the job without doing any real research into the squad and what is needed to turn the club around, safe in the knowledge that they can have a half arsed effort at it, make bizarre signings and tactical decisions, piss off the fans, then when they fail to get promotion they will be sacked and have their three year deals paid up.

They can escape with their reputation still in tact, seven figures in the bank and get a new job because sacking managers is what the blades do.

It could be worse,

Spare a thought for anyone appointed boss of Italian Serie A club Palermo.

Under the control of Maurizio Zamparini, the club have changed managers 32 times since 2000. In 2012-13, it had three coaches - two of whom were sacked before being re-hired during the campaign.

 

[Drunk blade]

Or they aren't allowed to do their jobs properly due to how the club is run.

Exactly my earlier point the excuse is already there. Surely the last few managers have had adequate resources to get this club out of league 1.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Exactly my earlier point the excuse is already there. Surely the last few managers have had adequate resources to get this club out of league 1.

Dya still hope we get relegated?

 

[Drunk blade]

Dya still hope we get relegated?

Eh?

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Eh?

Do you still hope Sheffield United get relegated?
Just asking.

 

[Drunk blade]

Do you still hope Sheffield United get relegated?
Just asking.

Whatever

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Added twice...
It's well deserved.

Whatever

 

[Harry's Game]

The mood music does seem to be swinging behind him not being here next season..

...another monumental fuck up in all departments again..

 

[wizadry]

I think it's clear that pro managers won't have such a cynical attitude. They'll be made men financially several times over by the time they come to us, so the money isn't an object in a practical, day-to-day buying a pint of milk sense. Also, even if it was a bloke with his first paid job in football, surely the passion for doing a high profile job you love is far greater than the thrill of your substantial monthly pay cheque. Or is that me just being innocent? In any case, I'm sure managers come into their appointments with the whitest of intentions, and I doubt that any manager is so callous as to purposefully fuck over the club he's managing for the cash, but yeah obviously the 7 figure pay-off isn't gonna hurt, is it.

As far as Sheffield United being seen as a sacking club, yes I do think they are, because look at the recent slurry of sacked managers since Warnock. Some deserved, others absolutely not. I feel we are getting a bad rep - That of a sleeping giant in the pub leagues that likes to throw a bucketload of money at every problem, with high expectations about promotion and on the pitch performance that are rarely met, if ever, and probably what's worst of all is our ritual manager crucifixion every 18 months.

I agree with everything apart from the bit about chucking bucket loads at every problem. We have chucked money away occasionally but not necessarily on every problem at hand and we do seem to spend it on the least worrying problems, the pitch being one of them when we could have put that towards a quality defence in this league this season.

We don't need to chuck bucket loads at it either, what we need to do is draw a two to three year plan up, stick to the fucker and go through with it instead of bottling it every time the going gets tough. We as fans can vent our fury but the board would get more backing if they stuck to some sort of plan instead of the kneejerk reactions they can show at times. Getting Brayford on the money he was on and the position we were in seemed to me like a kneejerk reaction, although he wasn't a bad player to bring in.

Clubs such as Gillingham, Wallsall and Burton haven't spent bucket loads and have proved you don't need to in this league to achieve the top spots. Wigan have spent money but they still had a fair chunk left and have got rid of some big earners and spent wisely, we must have a plan as we can't keep making the same mistakes.

 

[Drunk blade]

Added twice...
It's well deserved.

Nice one

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Nice one

So, do you still want Sheffield United to get relegated?

 

[Drunk blade]

So, do you still want Sheffield United to get relegated?

No

 

[Snowman]

So, do you still want Sheffield United to get relegated?

Nice work Sherlock.

 

[Drunk blade]

This question seems to have been answered. In slagging the fan Adkins, who is a proven manager at this level, is now actively trying to get himself sacked, seems like he's worried that he might have to be here next year rather than get a nice pay out

 

[pommpey]

I think Adkins is bothered about getting sacked. I do think that he, and previous managers, have been wary of the behaviour of the fans and the board, because with the players they are the filling in that sandwich. Adkins is obviously not going to display his inner feelings about McCabe and his fellow board members selling his best attacking midfielder and offering him options to reinvest in fuck all. Truth be known, I'd wager Adkins would have liked to have gone shopping in the upper leagues but the cash just isn't there for that kind of venture. McCabe has as good as said that in his interviews. Given that the playing staff we have at the moment are 'release' material and no one with any sense would come looking in or out of contract that leaves us with zero movement on the pitch with regard progress.

We are in this position

1. Players: 75% of them are in a league well above their ability and capability
2. Manager: Shackled by McCabe into giving only the statements he wants to hear and to deflect criticism as the 'responsible party'
3. Board: Not willing to invest anything meaningful into strengthening the squad to get us out of this division and stay there
4. Fans: Deeply dissatisfied, but still turning up in their thousands due to tribal loyalty

If you make some sort of overlaying string connections between those four entities you'll see that McCabe is the only thing which, if changed, can affect the fortunes of this club. At the moment, with his gathered power over the whole club, he is invincible. The only way to make change through hurting him is to stop his income and force him to sell the fucking lot as a loss-maker.

Which is why it kinda makes me sad seeing people take the poisoned chalice of a 10% reduced season ticket, largely out of habit and culture. I don't get how people cannot see that this is simple reinforcing strategies keeping that daft cunt right were he wants to be, in a third division club sat on millions of pounds of real estate with a failing, weakened football team and its tens of thousands of willing, paying customers and no need whatsoever to invest in betterment, because come what may, they'll just keep drinking the Kool-Aid and hitting the buzzer bar for a food pellet.

pommpey

 

[BushBlade]

I think Adkins is bothered about getting sacked. I do think that he, and previous managers, have been wary of the behaviour of the fans and the board, because with the players they are the filling in that sandwich. Adkins is obviously not going to display his inner feelings about McCabe and his fellow board members selling his best attacking midfielder and offering him options to reinvest in fuck all. Truth be known, I'd wager Adkins would have liked to have gone shopping in the upper leagues but the cash just isn't there for that kind of venture. McCabe has as good as said that in his interviews. Given that the playing staff we have at the moment are 'release' material and no one with any sense would come looking in or out of contract that leaves us with zero movement on the pitch with regard progress.

We are in this position

1. Players: 75% of them are in a league well above their ability and capability
2. Manager: Shackled by McCabe into giving only the statements he wants to hear and to deflect criticism as the 'responsible party'
3. Board: Not willing to invest anything meaningful into strengthening the squad to get us out of this division and stay there
4. Fans: Deeply dissatisfied, but still turning up in their thousands due to tribal loyalty

If you make some sort of overlaying string connections between those four entities you'll see that McCabe is the only thing which, if changed, can affect the fortunes of this club. At the moment, with his gathered power over the whole club, he is invincible. The only way to make change through hurting him is to stop his income and force him to sell the fucking lot as a loss-maker.

Which is why it kinda makes me sad seeing people take the poisoned chalice of a 10% reduced season ticket, largely out of habit and culture. I don't get how people cannot see that this is simple reinforcing strategies keeping that daft cunt right were he wants to be, in a third division club sat on millions of pounds of real estate with a failing, weakened football team and its tens of thousands of willing, paying customers and no need whatsoever to invest in betterment, because come what may, they'll just keep drinking the Kool-Aid and hitting the buzzer bar for a food pellet.

pommpey

Maybe others have a different view. Maybe we have supporters who have this as their priority;

1. Go to the Lane, watch the Blades.
2. Blades success.

Perhaps for some, 1 is not dependent on 2. I guess there's a few of those in the sixteen thousand plus support that don't spend their days on message boards working themselves up into a frenzy about the minutiae and mutually masturbating over the accuracy of their predictions of doom.

For some, football is a way of life, for others, it's just a day out.

 

[pommpey]

Maybe others have a different view. Maybe we have supporters who have this as their priority;

1. Go to the Lane, watch the Blades.
2. Blades success.

Perhaps for some, 1 is not dependent on 2. I guess there's a few of those in the sixteen thousand plus support that don't spend their days on message boards working themselves up into a frenzy about the minutiae and mutually masturbating over the accuracy of their predictions of doom.

For some, football is a way of life, for others, it's just a day out.

Hmmm. Your one and two kinda cancel each other out there, don't they. In fact, they have done for nearly ten whole years now. I'd like to see where you can cite 'success' in any sense of the word, save for one promotion in many, many years. We have failed in almost everything we have done. Cups, playoffs, automatics (save one). And yes, there are doubtless thousands who don't come on message boards to debate the facts, but I'd wager they are almost all as dissatisfied as I am. It's a fucking expensive day out if you have paid hundreds of pounds at the beginning of the season built on false, wasted hope, rhetoric and expectation, and a soupcon of bullshit from the board downwards.

So what's your point, bushblade?

pommpey

 

[Darren]

Hmmm. Your one and two kinda cancel each other out there, don't they. In fact, they have done for nearly ten whole years now. I'd like to see where you can cite 'success' in any sense of the word, save for one promotion in many, many years. We have failed in almost everything we have done. Cups, playoffs, automatics (save one). And yes, there are doubtless thousands who don't come on message boards to debate the facts, but I'd wager they are almost all as dissatisfied as I am. It's a fucking expensive day out if you have paid hundreds of pounds at the beginning of the season built on false, wasted hope, rhetoric and expectation, and a soupcon of bullshit from the board downwards.

So what's your point, bushblade?

pommpey

I think his point is that for most United fans success is secondary to the attachment we feel to the club. After all, if we really wanted success, we would support Man Utd/Arsenal/Chelsea/ Leicester etc etc.

 

[BushBlade]

Hmmm. Your one and two kinda cancel each other out there, don't they. In fact, they have done for nearly ten whole years now. I'd like to see where you can cite 'success' in any sense of the word, save for one promotion in many, many years. We have failed in almost everything we have done. Cups, playoffs, automatics (save one). And yes, there are doubtless thousands who don't come on message boards to debate the facts, but I'd wager they are almost all as dissatisfied as I am. It's a fucking expensive day out if you have paid hundreds of pounds at the beginning of the season built on false, wasted hope, rhetoric and expectation, and a soupcon of bullshit from the board downwards.

So what's your point, bushblade?

pommpey

My point is that there's still a large number of people who will pay to watch the Blades whether we're successful or not. You seem to have an issue with this.

I don't. If it weren't for these people we wouldn't be some huge club, we'd be Notts County.

 

[BushBlade]

I think his point is that for most United fans success is secondary to the attachment we feel to the club. After all, if we really wanted success, we would support Man Utd/Arsenal/Chelsea/ Leicester etc etc.

Thank you Darren. You put that much better than I did.

 

[pommpey]

My point is that there's still a large number of people who will pay to watch the Blades whether we're successful or not. You seem to have an issue with this.

I don't. If it weren't for these people we wouldn't be some huge club, we'd be Notts County.

And that, my friend is my point.

I don't have an issue with people being at the match for the sake of watching football. What I have an issue with is twats like McCabe taking advantage of that, selling our better players, buying a pointless plastic pitch and blaming managers for the lack of success on it. Given our decline and fall, are you really sure we are not Notts County, in all but strip?

pommpey