Do you trust Adkins with the transfer budget this Summer?

[longinthe toothblade]

Woolford was a free

Free - he's on around 7k a week. I hear that Hammond costs us nearly 10k per week (our share)???

Taken together, including insurance and other costs they'll cost us approaching £1m this year.

Do you honestly think that represents value for money?

 

[longinthe toothblade]

For a long time many Blades have written off this season and announced how they can't wait for next after " The big clearout". Displaying unwavering faith that we will buy well this Summer.

Now the season is all but over, how confident are you that Adkins will recruit well? Do you trust him to spend well this Summer?

Of course not

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

No.

 

[alcoblade]

I want to know why so many wanted Cough out asap but want to keep Adkins
clough had a 47 per cent win ratio , adkins is 40 per cent, only 2 better than Bleeding Brian Robson

Well I'm in a dwindling bunch, clearly. But the difference is that Clough signed lots of players. Adkins has not had that luxury, and had half the time.

The players that Clough signed have bled us dry then gone on to sit on the bench at clubs like Fleetwood town. That's the measure of the quality he brought in, and why a lot of us were happy to see the back of him.

Regarding Adkins, he's definitely in the "must do better" category. his signings have been gash too. But their haven't been too many of them, and it's simply not long enough to be judging a manager's performance on.

UTB

 

[JohnDenver]

It's absolute nonsense really, Walsall have had 4 managers (yes i know they weren't all sacked) this season and are 3rd in the league.

They're not fourth in the league because of managers 2, 3 or 4. Dean Smith took 5 years to do that.

 

[Darthblade]

For a long time many Blades have written off this season and announced how they can't wait for next after " The big clearout". Displaying unwavering faith that we will buy well this Summer.

Now the season is all but over, how confident are you that Adkins will recruit well? Do you trust him to spend well this Summer?

I think the more pertinent question would be ....... will he get an appropriate level of budget this summer to rebuild this gash squad ??

He's had little budget this season, certainly not enough to work with given the glaring, long standing deficiencies in our first team squad.

The opportunity is there this summer to clear out the ineffective players and replace with consistent / quality players for next season, along with some season long loans to try to make us competitive.

Don't miss the opportunity Nigel or you will be consigned to the dregs of our history books ......

UTB & FTP

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

They're not fourth in the league because of managers 2, 3 or 4. Dean Smith took 5 years to do that.

Seems to be the suggestion amongst the dwindling band who're able to remain positive about Adkins that, given time, he'll inevitably succeed. That a lengthy period in charge is all a manager needs, & that success naturally follows.

But is this true? Or is it more the case that managers actually have to earn longevity in a job through relative success. Dean Smith gradually built a club at Walsall by succeeding, gradually, season by season, within the parameters he had at that particular football club.

In Adkins's case, he gained promotion in his first season at both Scunny and at Southampton. He didn't have to be given time to succeed (because the circumstances were different). He did a great job at both clubs, but his positivity took them forward from the solid base they already had (built by Bisonhead at Scunny & the criminally underrated Pardew at Southampton); he rode the crest of the wave once it had been set properly in motion.

Not only has Adkins not succeeded here this season, in any shape or form. Just when the glimmers of some hope appear for the future, his bizarre decisions put the sparks out again.

I really fail to see any evidence that he's capable of building sustainable success, based on his past record or on signs since he's been here. He was brought in as the quick fix we all thought he'd be, & he's failed miserably. And the evidence you'd use to dredge up hope for for the future - trust in youth, an attacking gameplan, tactical flexibility, & decent use of resources - either gets snatched away after decent signs appear, or little or no evidence is offered in the first place.

Seems that wishful thinking is the best that can be offered to justify Nigel still being here tbh.

Personally, I'm with those who think he ought to be given the boot.

 

[PeteBlade]

I want to know why so many wanted Cough out asap but want to keep Adkins
clough had a 47 per cent win ratio , adkins is 40 per cent, only 2 better than Bleeding Brian Robson

You've got a new favourite little stat I see.

Has anyone fact checked it?

You've got previous.:.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Can't wait to see next season's Poundland Blades.

 

[JohnDenver]

Seems to be the suggestion amongst the dwindling band who're able to remain positive about Adkins that, given time, he'll inevitably succeed. That a lengthy period in charge is all a manager needs, & that success naturally follows.

But is this true? Or is it more the case that managers actually have to earn longevity in a job through relative success. Dean Smith gradually built a club at Walsall by succeeding, gradually, season by season, within the parameters he had at that particular football club.

In Adkins's case, he gained promotion in his first season at both Scunny and at Southampton. He didn't have to be given time to succeed (because the circumstances were different). He did a great job at both clubs, but his positivity took them forward from the solid base they already had (built by Bisonhead at Scunny & the criminally underrated Pardew at Southampton); he rode the crest of the wave once it had been set properly in motion.

Not only has Adkins not succeeded here this season, in any shape or form. Just when the glimmers of some hope appear for the future, his bizarre decisions put the sparks out again.

I really fail to see any evidence that he's capable of building sustainable success, based on his past record or on signs since he's been here. He was brought in as the quick fix we all thought he'd be, & he's failed miserably. And the evidence you'd use to dredge up hope for for the future - trust in youth, an attacking gameplan, tactical flexibility, & decent use of resources - either gets snatched away after decent signs appear, or little or no evidence is offered in the first place.

Seems that wishful thinking is the best that can be offered to justify Nigel still being here tbh.

Personally, I'm with those who think he ought to be given the boot.

Nothing remotely inevitable about success and SUFC. Adkins has had an under-par season, as did Clough the year before. But the funny thing in all this is, I didn't want Clough sacked but couldn't fault the appointment of Adkins. Yet now, it seems quite likely Clough would have done better than Adkins this season.

Conclusion: don't underestimate the cost of change.

 

[blade too long]

You've got a new favourite little stat I see.

Has anyone fact checked it?
:.

win ratios are courtesy of wikipedia pages for both managers, Ill post how to look them up if you need assistance

 

[PeteBlade]

win ratios are courtesy of wikipedia pages for both managers, Ill post how to look them up if you need assistance

Just checking you've not made them up as per your previous stays.

 

[blade too long]

Just checking you've not made them up as per your previous stays.

make stuff up, what for, theres enough stats to prove anything in football
well except Adkins is good for us

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Hammond is solid but ordinary, Woolford is solid but ordinary, sharp is solid but ordinary...sharp shines because the rest are like pub players...

We are a pub team, and it's not really about today it's about the whole season, Adkins needs to fuck off, why has he changed a winning team today??

What have we got to lose by having a go at them??

Fuck him off for me, he's not got it anymore...clearly, we've gone backwards..

Taxi for Adkins, Hammond and Woolford!!

 

[Bladesince59]

Get Warnock in ffs before Rotherham offer him a 3 year deal.

 

[Bladesince59]

Hammond is solid but ordinary, Woolford is solid but ordinary, sharp is solid but ordinary...sharp shines because the rest are like pub players...

We are a pub team, and it's not really about today it's about the whole season, Adkins needs to fuck off, why has he changed a winning team today??

What have we got to lose by having a go at them??

Fuck him off for me, he's not got it anymore...clearly, we've gone backwards..

Agree - Sharp is made to look good by the sacksful of shit playing behind him.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

For a long time many Blades have written off this season and announced how they can't wait for next after " The big clearout". Displaying unwavering faith that we will buy well this Summer.

Now the season is all but over, how confident are you that Adkins will recruit well? Do you trust him to spend well this Summer?

I don’t think it’s unwavering faith that we will buy well. I think it’s an assumption that if we release all that aren’t good enough to get in the current team plus a few weak links of the current team and bring in say 6-8 players that at least some will be an improvement of what was here before and will want to play for Adkins and be conducive to a better team spirit. That should be enough to see some improvement. All managers make some crap signings and some good ones but if they keep replacing the crap and replacing them with a mix of good and crap, then the overall result should be improvement. The process only gets undermined when the club sell it’s best players.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I find it very hard to disagree that Warnock would give us our best chance - and I'd say a massive percentage of others, if being honest, think the same.

In the short term, probably, yes. But he talks of retiring every season and it’s hard to imagine him committing to a job for a period of time. Short termism has led to a lot of our problems. I think knee-jerk reactions and looking for a quick fix has been a real problem for us. I reckon we need to be patient with a manager and his approach, let him build his own squad, don’t undermine him by selling his best player at the beginning of the season and see where he can take us.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I want to know why so many wanted Cough out asap but want to keep Adkins
clough had a 47 per cent win ratio , adkins is 40 per cent, only 2 better than Bleeding Brian Robson

Most fans didn’t want Clough out. A poll on here said 65% wanted him to stay. I’m not sure if most want Adkins out or not. But the difference for some is Clough had a chance to build his own team int eh summer of 2014 and lumbered us with players like Higdon, Alcock, McEveley, JCR, Coutts etc. Adkins hasn’t had that chance yet.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Should have been sacked ages ago, but all those people tweeting Jim about us firing too many managers has gotten to the board.

It's absolute nonsense really, Walsall have had 4 managers (yes i know they weren't all sacked) this season and are 3rd in the league. Watford have had approximately 17 million managers in about 5 years and are halfway up the premier league. Not saying it's right to keep firing managers all the time, but it's a total myth that we fire an unusually high amount of managers. Everybody keeps changing managers, not just us.

We only fire them, because they don't do owt. Firing Clough was a mistake, should have let him get us up this season on a tighter budget. He would have probably got the sack halfway through next season anyway, should have used him for the job we needed him for ie keep this rabble motivated. Adkins has been the worst manager we've had in decades, yes worse than even Weir because he has a better team to work with. It started with making phucking McEveley captain and he's never really done anything right since.

Clough had us about 4 points or so better off at this stage last season. And it was his squad. And he had Jamie Murphy and his own loan players (Holt/Davies etc.). Considering that, why do you think he would have got us up this season? I’d say he would have performed similarly to Adkins. Maybe a couple of points or so better off with more 1-0s. Never 2 up front, never looking for the 2nd or 3rd goal. Probably scrambling for that sixth spot with the rest of the pack but perhaps slightly better placed.

 

[blade too long]

Most fans didn’t want Clough out. A poll on here said 65% wanted him to stay. I’m not sure if most want Adkins out or not. But the difference for some is Clough had a chance to build his own team int eh summer of 2014 and lumbered us with players like Higdon, Alcock, McEveley, JCR, Coutts etc. Adkins hasn’t had that chance yet.

Im sorry but Adkins was given a full summer and a JTW to adjust his squad, , he wasnt told he couldnt bring in any players
and lumbered with players he was lumbered with players who had finished in the play offs , that had been better than 19 other clubs
his remit was to tweak it to get better
miserable failure on Adkins part to get in players
If Warnock can get Rotherham to get 16 points from 18 with players he was lumbered with whats Adkins excuse

 

[BushBlade]

Seems to be the suggestion amongst the dwindling band who're able to remain positive about Adkins that, given time, he'll inevitably succeed. That a lengthy period in charge is all a manager needs, & that success naturally follows.

But is this true? Or is it more the case that managers actually have to earn longevity in a job through relative success. Dean Smith gradually built a club at Walsall by succeeding, gradually, season by season, within the parameters he had at that particular football club.

In Adkins's case, he gained promotion in his first season at both Scunny and at Southampton. He didn't have to be given time to succeed (because the circumstances were different). He did a great job at both clubs, but his positivity took them forward from the solid base they already had (built by Bisonhead at Scunny & the criminally underrated Pardew at Southampton); he rode the crest of the wave once it had been set properly in motion.

Not only has Adkins not succeeded here this season, in any shape or form. Just when the glimmers of some hope appear for the future, his bizarre decisions put the sparks out again.

I really fail to see any evidence that he's capable of building sustainable success, based on his past record or on signs since he's been here. He was brought in as the quick fix we all thought he'd be, & he's failed miserably. And the evidence you'd use to dredge up hope for for the future - trust in youth, an attacking gameplan, tactical flexibility, & decent use of resources - either gets snatched away after decent signs appear, or little or no evidence is offered in the first place.

Seems that wishful thinking is the best that can be offered to justify Nigel still being here tbh.

Personally, I'm with those who think he ought to be given the boot.

I don't disagree with all of that but 'criminally underrated Pardew'. Seriously?

 

[BushBlade]

Free - he's on around 7k a week. I hear that Hammond costs us nearly 10k per week (our share)???

Taken together, including insurance and other costs they'll cost us approaching £1m this year.

Do you honestly think that represents value for money?

No but I don't believe he's on £7k a week.

 

[PeteBlade]

Im sorry but Adkins was given a full summer and a JTW to adjust his squad, , he wasnt told he couldnt bring in any players

You keep saying he was given a full summer when he wasn't. Much like you said he'd had the same time as Clough when any idiot could tell he hasn't.
If you've followed anything to do with our club this season you'll realise that he was seriously restricted on who he could bring in.
Which is why he's only brought 2 people in permanently.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Does anyone trust this Board to give the manager a budget that's essential to improve the squad or one where he'll have to sell to attain a percentage?

I think the JTW might have been the signal of intent for any future dealings whilst in L1.

 

[blade too long]

You keep saying he was given a full summer when he wasn't..

On 2 June 2015, Adkins was appointed manager at League One club Sheffield United.[18]
the official date of his appointment
tell me as the players didnt come in for pre season training till after this date what does constitute a full summer in your world
Im pretty sure 91 other clubs regard the beginning of June as a full summer , cant think of many who do business in May

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Im sorry but Adkins was given a full summer and a JTW to adjust his squad, , he wasnt told he couldnt bring in any players
and lumbered with players he was lumbered with players who had finished in the play offs , that had been better than 19 other clubs
his remit was to tweak it to get better
miserable failure on Adkins part to get in players
If Warnock can get Rotherham to get 16 points from 18 with players he was lumbered with whats Adkins excuse

You keep saying he was given a full summer when he wasn't. Much like you said he'd had the same time as Clough when any idiot could tell he hasn't.
If you've followed anything to do with our club this season you'll realise that he was seriously restricted on who he could bring in.
Which is why he's only brought 2 people in permanently.

Yet seems to think repeating the same lies he's been called out on over and over again will slip through the net.

Adkins was appointed in June. He had no control over pre-contract agreements, the retained list or the size of the squad he inherited.

He then had his best player sold against his wishes. He was allowed to buy 1 player for about a third of the fee received for that best player. He also got a freebie and a couple of loans. Meanwhile shifting the likes of McFadzean, Wallace. McNulty, Freeman, Alcock, Higdon, Khan, Dimaio etc. And he's performed very slightly worse than Clough in those circumstances. Let's see how he goes with his own squad.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

On 2 June 2015, Adkins was appointed manager at League One club Sheffield United.[18]
the official date of his appointment
tell me as the players didnt come in for pre season training till after this date what does constitute a full summer in your world
Im pretty sure 91 other clubs regard the beginning of June as a full summer , cant think of many who do business in May

Controlling the retained list would be a start. This will be the first time he can choose not to renew contracts of certain players.

 

[BushBlade]

Yet seems to think repeating the same lies he's been called out on over and over again will slip through the net.

Adkins was appointed in June. He had no control over pre-contract agreements, the retained list or the size of the squad he inherited.

He then had his best player sold against his wishes. He was allowed to buy 1 player for about a third of the fee received for that best player. He also got a freebie and a couple of loans. Meanwhile shifting the likes of McFadzean, Wallace. McNulty, Freeman, Alcock, Higdon, Khan, Dimaio etc. And he's performed very slightly worse than Clough in those circumstances. Let's see how he goes with his own squad.

Don't forget he inherited a lot of injured players so he either couldn't move them on because of that, or couldn't move other players on as they were filling in for injured players.

He's done garbage this season, no one can deny that, but he was dealt a really shitty hand.

 

[PeteBlade]

On 2 June 2015, Adkins was appointed manager at League One club Sheffield United.[18]
the official date of his appointment
tell me as the players didnt come in for pre season training till after this date what does constitute a full summer in your world
Im pretty sure 91 other clubs regard the beginning of June as a full summer , cant think of many who do business in May

Are you really as dense as you appear?