If SOD's performance is anything to go by...

[I should coco]

I fall out with plenty but if I'm wrong I'm wrong and I'll happily hold my hands up.

No, you're wrong.

ISC

 

[Bladesway]

I fall out with plenty but if I'm wrong I'm wrong and I'll happily hold my hands up.

Indeed you and I run a similar theme on that. FWIW I'd love to be wrong and the players and board prove to me that they are good enough to take us to the play offs and promotion. But nothing in my 40 plus years of watching and playing football tells me they will.

 

[blade too long]

You've maintained that Adkins should be able to get more out of the players than what he has so far, but Clough had different players to get us to the Cup semis and PO.

I see no Coady, Doyle, Maguire or Murphy, so I don't see it as a valid comparison. You may have a point if NA had the same players as Clough did then but was getting them to perform as they are now.

but surely with his cv he should improve on what Clough did
every team loses players
Clough lost Maguire not ADKINS Coady was only on loan Doyles dropped a division
Theres turn over at all 92 clubs
we employed him to improve things, he chose not to replace some, its down to him

 

[blade too long]

Why do you constantly feel the need to lie to try to reinforce your point?


What Clough did do better than Adkins is make an impact on the players he inherited (Murphy the most notable). But he let himself down when he had the chance to build a promotion team with a relatively blank canvas in the summer of 2014. Adkins is yet to have that chance but if he’s kept on, it will come this summer.

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LIE
CLOUGHS EXTRA MONTHS HERE WERE EXTRICATING US FROM RELEGATION

BOTH have had one pre season to buy sell players
both started one pre season ,


if Clough got in more players whos fucking fault is that
Adkins has had 2 full windows and 2 loan windows
what has he done with them virtually nothing

HOW IS THAT NOT HAVING A CHANCE
AND YOU CALL ME A LIAR
Adkins has no excuses , he saw us through pre season , and had every opportunity to fetch in players , on loan or frees
something Clough actually did

 

[blade too long]

We had a worse points to game ration in 2014-15 than under Clough in 2013-14. We didn’t move forward from spring 2014 to summer 2015..

strange how we finished 5th after being 7th
when did that become getting worse

points ratios are utterly meaningless
we got 38 points when we were relegated from the prem
a much better points ratio than hull got the following year staying up on 33 points

how points are shared out vary every season
had we got 90 points in any other year than 2011 wed have been promoted
and yet we missed out with a fantastic points ratio

 

[blade too long]

Adkins has a pre-season where he had been appointed in June, didn't get to see the players play live til their first pre-season friendly in July, didn't have control of the retained list and had about 40 professionals on the books. Then he had his best player sold.

Clough had 6 months to assess and alter the squad (Jan window before). He had control of the retained list and was working from a starting point of about 16 or so professionals on the books so plenty of room in the budget for new faces. He then got a full season with the squad he'd assembled to play the way he wanted them to play. Let's keep pretending that's the same.

For what it's worth. I'm not having a go at Clough , I don't think we should have sacked him (though I did think and still hope that Adkins is an improvement). But nor do I think we should be sacking Adkins based on his failings with this shambolic squad.

tell me Dane any new manager that starts with a full pre season didnt Clough lose some players
was he not left with the dregs of the previous failures
Im wondering why your so apologetic to Adkins , a man who had 2 promotions on his cv and was seen as a professional
are you saying Adkins was never good enough to take us on
or that there isnt a manager around today who could have improved us from finishing 5th
are you actually argueing we could only ever have gotten worse
Selling Murphy , one player then has scuppered his plans , what if we had kept him and his cruciate ligament had gone , so we lost him through injury
are you saying he had no back up , alternatives in case of injury

wigan got a new manager theyve spent less than us

explain how they worked and improved , with only a pre season but we didnt

 

[blade too long]

His points to games ratio was worse in season 2 than in season one.

You've mistakenly claimed they've had the same amount of time which no matter how you dress it up is simply not true.

He'd need most of next season too, which he deserves to get.

points per game ratio
varies every season
teams can win a title with 84 to 106 points
play offs vary around 20 points
you are argueing over minute ratios

the only thing that counts is final position
being a blade relegated last 2 times from the prem by one goal with 38 points
you should know that

17 teams have stayed up with less since we left the prem , including all 3 last season
obviously with worse points ratios

clough deserved extra time for saving us and 2 cup runs ,
Adkins started with a team that finished 5th and is currently 12th

both had 1 , thats 1 full run up to a season
Clough got us to the play offs

ADKINS WONT
HE DESERVES NOTHING

 

[PeteBlade]

points per game ratio
varies every season
teams can win a title with 84 to 106 points
play offs vary around 20 points
you are argueing over minute ratios

the only thing that counts is final position
being a blade relegated last 2 times from the prem by one goal with 38 points
you should know that

17 teams have stayed up with less since we left the prem , including all 3 last season
obviously with worse points ratios

clough deserved extra time for saving us and 2 cup runs ,
Adkins started with a team that finished 5th and is currently 12th

both had 1 , thats 1 full run up to a season
Clough got us to the play offs

ADKINS WONT
HE DESERVES NOTHING

There's no point in attempting any discussion with someone who's starting point- Clough and Adkins have had the same amount of time- is a complete and utter fabrication.

A total lie. Entirely innacurate.

 

[I should coco]

17 teams have stayed up with less since we left the prem , including all 3 last season
obviously with worse points ratios

I never knew that.

17 lousy sneaky little lower-point-bastards have hung in there, while we went down.

McCabe has made some shit decisions but bloody hell, haven't we had some bad luck!

ISC

 

[PeteBlade]

LIE
CLOUGHS EXTRA MONTHS HERE WERE EXTRICATING US FROM RELEGATION

BOTH have had one pre season to buy sell players
both started one pre season ,


if Clough got in more players whos fucking fault is that
Adkins has had 2 full windows and 2 loan windows
what has he done with them virtually nothing

HOW IS THAT NOT HAVING A CHANCE
AND YOU CALL ME A LIAR
Adkins has no excuses , he saw us through pre season , and had every opportunity to fetch in players , on loan or frees
something Clough actually did

When more than one person accuses you of lying on more than one occasion then maybe it's time to evaluate the accuracy of what you post.

As for transfer windows, one manager was given free reign to sign who he wanted, one manager wasn't.

 

[blade too long]

There's no point in attempting any discussion with someone who's starting point- Clough and Adkins have had the same amount of time- is a complete and utter fabrication.

A total lie. Entirely innacurate.

how many full seasons have the y both had with pre seasons
did Clough come in to a squad that had finished 5th with the option to build a squad

my assumption theyve had the same time is in full seasons with time to sellect their own squad
in which case its 1 a piece

but you quote number of days if its suit to call me a liar
I just like to think you can only go like for like
that is they both only had 1 full season,
yes Clough spent 7 months rescueing us from oblivion ,
but starting as ADKINS DID HE GOT 1 CHANCE

 

[blade too long]

When more than one person accuses you of lying on more than one occasion then maybe it's time to evaluate the accuracy of what you post.

As for transfer windows, one manager was given free reign to sign who he wanted, one manager wasn't.

WELL WHAT ABOUT THE MULTITUDE OF POSTS SAYING YOU SPOUT BOLLOCKS , SUPPOSE THATS TRUE THEN
you get far more arguments than I do
and I dont have to take things literally to find a fault like you do

your just wrong so often

 

[Sean Thornton]

Shouting now. The pigeons will have all flown off.

 

[Sean Thornton]

how many full seasons have the y both had with pre seasons
did Clough come in to a squad that had finished 5th with the option to build a squad

my assumption theyve had the same time is in full seasons with time to sellect their own squad
in which case its 1 a piece

but you quote number of days if its suit to call me a liar
I just like to think you can only go like for like
that is they both only had 1 full season,
yes Clough spent 7 months rescueing us from oblivion ,
but starting as ADKINS DID HE GOT 1 CHANCE

Clough didn't spend seven months fighting relegation. How did we finish fifth if that was true? We were in the top half at the end of February I think.

You just lurch from one made up "FACT" to another.

 

[blade too long]

Clough didn't spend seven months fighting relegation. How did we finish fifth if that was true? We were in the top half at the end of February I think.

You just lurch from one made up "FACT" to another.

so clough your saying had 2 full seasons
he didnt join in late october 2013 when we were bottom

I must have been watching another club , ps thats 7 months till 1st week in may 2014
I think youll find we finished 5th last season
Cloughs only full season in charge
thaTS MADE A PLAY OFF PLACE

 

[PeteBlade]

By your daft, make it up as you go along logic, Adkins has had zero full seasons.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

1. Clough and Adkins had the same amount of time-

2. Adkins , a man who had 2 promotions on his cv

3. both had 1 , thats 1 full run up to a season

4. 17 teams have stayed up with less since we left the prem , including all 3 last season
obviously with worse points ratios

5. being a blade relegated last 2 times from the prem by one goal with 38 points
you should know that

6. Wigan got a new manager they've spent less than us


7. Adkins has had 2 full windows and 2 loan windows
what has he done with them virtually nothing

8. are you saying Adkins was never good enough to take us on
or that there isnt a manager around today who could have improved us from finishing 5th
are you actually argueing we could only ever have gotten worse

9. strange how we finished 5th after being 7th

1. Complete unmitigated fabrication. A lie. No other way to describe it.

2. Wrong- A man with 4 league promotions (including back to back) and a couple of Welsh league titles and a couple of sports related degrees to his name.

3. Assuming of course that you don't count the retained list, the ability to negotiate pre-contract agreements, having room in the budget for more players at the time etc.

4. Nope, another lie. I checked because I was pretty sure you'd be lying. 9 teams have stayed up with less points than us since we came down. None did it last season. Birmingham and Blackpool were relegated with one more point than us since then.

5. Wrong again. In 94 we were actually relegated on 42 points. There were 22 teams in the Prem back then remember?r?

6. This is almost too ridiculous for words. Wigan have absolutely smashed us out of the water in terms of player spending this season. That's before you even consider the players remaining from their championship and Premier league days. Just complete nonsense again.

7. Do you really believe that Adkins simply chose not to bring anyone in? Do you realise in terms of transfer fees since Adkins came in we've essentially spent minus £1million? Do you have the faintest idea how any of it works? I suppose the list above shows that even if you do you'd just lie about it anyway. Do you believe that Clough being able to spend the best part of £2million on Brayford and Adkins having to make do with a late loan deal for Baptiste is a level playing field?

8. That's not far from what I'm saying but not quite right. I'm saying if we sell every decent player at every opportunity (at least 1 a season for the last 5 years on top of those that are out of contract, banged up etc.) then it's very likely we will keep getting worse regardless of who the manager is. A manager might dramatically overachieve and take us forward in spite of losing our best player every year but it's generally improbable. This is backed up by the fact our team has got worse every year for the last 8ishyears.

9. Not strange at all. Clough was only in charge from November and if we extrapolate his performance over the full season, we would have finished 5th with more points than in 2014-15. The only reason for being 7th is that David Weir was in charge for the first 10 games picking up hardly any points.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I never knew that.

ISC

Neither did anyone else cos it's just another one of his made up facts that isn't actually true.

 

[I should coco]

Neither did anyone else cos it's just another one of his made up facts that isn't actually true.

He was close though.

I've just gone through the final tables since 2007 and 16 teams stayed up with 38 points or fewer.

For once, one of his 'facts' was nearly correct.

ISC

 

[HoodedClaw]

but surely with his cv he should improve on what Clough did
every team loses players
Clough lost Maguire not ADKINS Coady was only on loan Doyles dropped a division
Theres turn over at all 92 clubs
we employed him to improve things, he chose not to replace some, its down to him

You're making an assumption he hasn't improved over what Clough might have this same set of players?

Clough only lost Maguire in his second season. So what that Coady was only on loan, did he not play for Clough? Doyle may have dropped a division this season but when he was playing for Clough he was a capable League 1 midfielder, he's certainly not been adequately replaced for whatever reason. Again an assumption that it's NA's choice to have not replaced or improved the squad, lets have a little think about that one, would it make any sense at all for NA to not try and replace or improve the squad? would it be that there were/are external influences as to why it wasn't done adequately? Perhaps the owners didn't want to spend more cash without offloading some of the shite that Clough stockpiled?? Perhaps the infrastructure wasn't in place in the summer to scout the players?

You're right there is turnover at the 92 clubs but you were making the point about NA coming in not managing the players properly as he hasn't improved them when compared to them finishing in the playoffs or beating Southampton. If it's not the same team how is the comparison true? If we were in this position with the same players then yes couldn't argue against it.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

He was close though.

I've just gone through the final tables since 2007 and 16 teams stayed up with 38 points or fewer.

For once, one of his 'facts' was nearly correct.

ISC

Ah but he said less points than us. Not the same or fewer. Only 9 teams stayed up with less points. Just over half of what he claimed. Some points he makes could be valid at times if he didn't feel the need to overegg the pudding with ridiculous nonsense presented as fact.

 

[PeteBlade]

I believe him because he writes in CAPS LOCK WHEN HE'S FLUSTERED.

 

[Sean Thornton]

so clough your saying had 2 full seasons
he didnt join in late october 2013 when we were bottom

I must have been watching another club , ps thats 7 months till 1st week in may 2014
I think youll find we finished 5th last season
Cloughs only full season in charge
thaTS MADE A PLAY OFF PLACE

No I haven't said he had two full seasons. Obviously I havent. The only person saying they have had the same amount of time was you no doubt when in one of your more excitable states. As has been pointed out, you and the truth are pretty much strangers.

Sorry we finished 7th ( take note, that's what you do when you get things wrong, put your hand up and admit it). But 5th or 7th we clearly weren't fighting relegation for seven months because as I said we were in the top half end of February and 7th isn't just above the relegation places.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

No I haven't said he had two full seasons. Obviously I havent. The only person saying they have had the same amount of time was you no doubt when in one of your more excitable states. As has been pointed out, you and the truth are pretty much strangers.

Sorry we finished 7th ( take note, that's what you do when you get things wrong, put your hand up and admit it). But 5th or 7th we clearly weren't fighting relegation for seven months because as I said we were in the top half end of February and 7th isn't just above the relegation places.

I can't believe you're saying Clough had two full seasons and Adkins has only had 2 weeks when Adkins has had longer than Clough did. Clough nearly got us up and Adkins is taking us down. It's because Clough is a far better manager and these players were actually good under him. Did you know that Adkins has 97 relegations on his CV and has signed 45 crap players? Clough only signed six players and practically won both cups. Did you know that scoring 3 goals at Wembley and 2 goals against Spurs would have won us the cups in 17 other seasons?

It's fun to make up bullshit.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I can't believe you're saying Clough had two full seasons and Adkins has only had 2 weeks when Adkins has had longer than Clough did. Clough nearly got us up and Adkins is taking us down. It's because Clough is a far better manager and these players were actually good under him. Did you know that Adkins has 97 relegations on his CV and has signed 45 crap players? Clough only signed six players and practically won both cups. Did you know that scoring 3 goals at Wembley and 2 goals against Spurs would have won us the cups in 17 other seasons?

It's fun to make up bullshit.

So you are saying Adkins was our BEST EVER MANAGER?



You ought to see the size of my TV and my unique Range Rover Eclipse. Well I say unique, there's another one in Spain

 

[blade too long]

So you are saying Adkins was our BEST EVER MANAGER?



You ought to see the size of my TV and my unique Range Rover Eclipse. Well I say unique, there's another one in Spain

Your as funny as celebral palsy

 

[Sean Thornton]

Your as funny as celebral palsy

Is that a new type?

 

[judge]

Is that a new type?

Its a more enjoyable illness than the traditional one

 

[Sean Thornton]

Judging by how big his tv is that dog in his avatar must be huge. Probably called Clifford.

 

[blade too long]

Judging by how big his tv is that dog in his avatar must be huge. Probably called Clifford.

these are small , those are far away Dougal

just realised why you post so much crap , no perspective