If SOD's performance is anything to go by...


I would have opted for S.O'D on two occasions we changed managers. In other words I would have done no better than McCabe in truth, maybe, maybe not. Some managers take to certain jobs and the place suits them. Owen Coyle looked a world-beater at Burnley when they beat us at Wembley. Lambert at Norwich.

Whatever we might say, it's not easy picking managers who are big enough to manage our club; it's a relatively big club with awesome challenges the longer we are out of the Championship, never mind the Prem.
 
the annoying thing is we could and should be well in the mix
I was repeatedly told it was impossible to get up there as the top 6 wouldnt falter
but walsall and coventry are imploding

had we won 3 and drawn 1 more of the last 10 , which was well within our squad a year ago,s capabilities we would be joint 3rd
Barnsley have gone from relegation fodder to top 6 since xmas to prove anything was possible
we ve been our own worst enemy with a total lack of belief engendered throughout the squad
 
the annoying thing is we could and should be well in the mix
I was repeatedly told it was impossible to get up there as the top 6 wouldnt falter
but walsall and coventry are imploding

had we won 3 and drawn 1 more of the last 10 , which was well within our squad a year ago,s capabilities we would be joint 3rd
Barnsley have gone from relegation fodder to top 6 since xmas to prove anything was possible
we ve been our own worst enemy with a total lack of belief engendered throughout the squad

If my aunty had a cock she'd be my uncle!
 
If my aunty had a cock she'd be my uncle!
you know what I mean
had we won the games at bury rochdale etc we should have with the players playing to their capabilities instead of looking like theyve never met
we should be in there
we are even by our poor standards 10 points short of what we should have if we were playing to something like we were a year ago

its so frustrating when you know they are capable of being better than how they are performing
 
you know what I mean
had we won the games at bury rochdale etc we should have with the players playing to their capabilities instead of looking like theyve never met
we should be in there
we are even by our poor standards 10 points short of what we should have if we were playing to something like we were a year ago

its so frustrating when you know they are capable of being better than how they are performing

To be fair I don't think we are capable of beating sides like this as we are win one lose one draw one, apart from our 4 win streak early on that's how it's been.

Even you the most positive of posters have began to query what's going on.

I am genuinely worried about where we will be in 2-3 years time.

I just can't see any light at the end of the tunnel :-(
 
To be fair I don't think we are capable of beating sides like this as we are win one lose one draw one, apart from our 4 win streak early on that's how it's been.

Even you the most positive of posters have began to query what's going on.

I am genuinely worried about where we will be in 2-3 years time.

I just can't see any light at the end of the tunnel :-(


Big clear out, Mr CV delivers and this time next season we have 72 points and are nearly champions already.

Its all part of a plan being this bad.
 
you know what I mean
had we won the games at bury rochdale etc we should have with the players playing to their capabilities instead of looking like theyve never met
we should be in there
we are even by our poor standards 10 points short of what we should have if we were playing to something like we were a year ago

its so frustrating when you know they are capable of being better than how they are performing
We'll get a measure of how good these players are when we release them shortly and the professionals get to judge.

By your reckoning they will go onto better things.

By mine, they won't. Let's see.....


UTB
 
you know what I mean
had we won the games at bury rochdale etc we should have with the players playing to their capabilities instead of looking like theyve never met
we should be in there
we are even by our poor standards 10 points short of what we should have if we were playing to something like we were a year ago

its so frustrating when you know they are capable of being better than how they are performing


These "capabilities" of which you speak ..........
 
the annoying thing is we could and should be well in the mix
I was repeatedly told it was impossible to get up there as the top 6 wouldnt falter
but walsall and coventry are imploding

had we won 3 and drawn 1 more of the last 10 , which was well within our squad a year ago,s capabilities we would be joint 3rd
Barnsley have gone from relegation fodder to top 6 since xmas to prove anything was possible
we ve been our own worst enemy with a total lack of belief engendered throughout the squad

Actually you were repeatedly told it was impossible to get up there because we were shit.

We are shit.

You should have listened to us.
 
you know what I mean
had we won the games at bury rochdale etc we should have with the players playing to their capabilities instead of looking like theyve never met
we should be in there
we are even by our poor standards 10 points short of what we should have if we were playing to something like we were a year ago

its so frustrating when you know they are capable of being better than how they are performing

The likes of Collo, Hammond, Coutts and the rest of the wage stealing arseholes we have playing for us are currently playing to their capabilities. They are why we are where we are now. They are exactly the reason why we have been beaten by giants such as Bury, Rochdale and Burton Albion in the last 3 weeks.
 

I would have opted for S.O'D on two occasions we changed managers. In other words I would have done no better than McCabe in truth, maybe, maybe not. Some managers take to certain jobs and the place suits them. Owen Coyle looked a world-beater at Burnley when they beat us at Wembley. Lambert at Norwich.

Whatever we might say, it's not easy picking managers who are big enough to manage our club; it's a relatively big club with awesome challenges the longer we are out of the Championship, never mind the Prem.

People put far too much expectation in managers. They're just one of many factors in a club's fortunes. Some managers only succeed in one set of circumstances, whilst the really good ones find a way to win at different clubs in different positions. But even they will experience failure.

It's often been said that if you plot league position against budget then things pretty much line up. Which means SUFC since 2007 has had something fundamentally wrong with it. We've had multiple managers but one chairman running the show. What's the common thread?

The clubs which consistently punch above their financial weight are those with consistency of strategy. Choose a way, and bloody stick with it. Even the seemingly minor leap from Clough to Adkins has cost us in terms of the loss of any use for those players who can't play in Adkins' favoured midfield four. Just a small example, and you might argue Clough had it wrong to begin with. But either way, the more you just rifle randomly through the rolodex hoping to find a golden CV, the more it's going to cost you.
 
The players here have shown in the past couple of seasons they can do better, much better, they thrilled us in cup runs went to bristol city and won so they could raise their level. A manager who can get the best out of them would show they are better than what theyve given this sesson .Not world beaters Im not saying that but they could perform to a much better level than they have done
 
The players here have shown in the past couple of seasons they can do better, much better, they thrilled us in cup runs went to bristol city and won so they could raise their level. A manager who can get the best out of them would show they are better than what theyve given this sesson .Not world beaters Im not saying that but they could perform to a much better level than they have done

You've picked out a couple of random performances from an entire season.

By and large they performed shit last season too, anyone who watched them would tell you that.

Where was the manager who could get the best out of them when we were losing at home to the same teams we've lost to this season?

What's the point In getting up for a couple of cup games and nor the bread and butter in the league?
 
You have to have something about you as a player to get in the play offs like ee did last season, just repeatedly insisting they aee shit denies the fact they had the ability to get in the play offs and scsre the shit out of Spurs
 
You have to have something about you as a player to get in the play offs like ee did last season, just repeatedly insisting they aee shit denies the fact they had the ability to get in the play offs and scsre the shit out of Spurs

Not really. We could have scraped in the play offs this season, would that have meant these players would suddenly have had something about them?

And it's far too easy to keep banging on about one off cup games as proving the players 'had something about them' when the actual difficulty is playing well in games that aren't so glamorous.

How did Bradford go on the year they made the league cup final?
 
Not really. We could have scraped in the play offs this season, would that have meant these players would suddenly have had something about them?

And it's far too easy to keep banging on about one off cup games as proving the players 'had something about them' when the actual difficulty is playing well in games that aren't so glamorous.

How did Bradford go on the year they made the league cup final?

getting in the play offs shows you are better than 18 other clubs, on merit
then you get a 1 in 4 chance of going up ,
over 46 games we were better than huddersfield but they went up so the best team doesnt always go up
so it shows they arent as shit as some
 
getting in the play offs shows you are better than 18 other clubs, on merit
then you get a 1 in 4 chance of going up ,
over 46 games we were better than huddersfield but they went up so the best team doesnt always go up
so it shows they arent as shit as some

More internet stats.
Nice one.
 
More internet stats.
Nice one.

so the league table final position is an internet stat now

you really are scraping the barrel
we finished 5th last season , how is that an internet stat, its how they put it ,in the record books

Players who were good enough to finish 5th last season havent been managed into improving
thats an internet stat
 
People put far too much expectation in managers. They're just one of many factors in a club's fortunes. Some managers only succeed in one set of circumstances, whilst the really good ones find a way to win at different clubs in different positions. But even they will experience failure.

It's often been said that if you plot league position against budget then things pretty much line up. Which means SUFC since 2007 has had something fundamentally wrong with it. We've had multiple managers but one chairman running the show. What's the common thread?

The clubs which consistently punch above their financial weight are those with consistency of strategy. Choose a way, and bloody stick with it. Even the seemingly minor leap from Clough to Adkins has cost us in terms of the loss of any use for those players who can't play in Adkins' favoured midfield four. Just a small example, and you might argue Clough had it wrong to begin with. But either way, the more you just rifle randomly through the rolodex hoping to find a golden CV, the more it's going to cost you.

Good post. Warrants a diatribe that does!!

One definition of 'strategy' is " a plan of action to achieve a long term or overall aim".

Strategy is part of success. Implementation is another part, sometimes a much bigger part at certain stages of a club's development.

I'm all for sticking with the implementer i.e. the manager when we know we have a good one capable of doing the job at hand ( the strategy) and that is to get us promoted to the Championship with a squad good enough to compete there and to challenge for promotion to the Premier League within a short timescale. Another part of the strategy is to have the club infrastructure ready for the day the club competes at those levels.

As far as I can see McCabe and the prince entrust implementation of the strategy to their incumbent football manager who is backed financially at great expense to employ his own management team and is given a budget amongst the best in the league. They say, and it has never been disputed, that they never interfere with footballing decisions with which they duly empower the manager and make him accountable. Any manager will appreciate that clubs at this level are powerless to stand in the way of players who get the opportunity to play at a higher level and earn multiple salary increases. That's part of the job description, it's a 'given'.

So, just looking at the past 5 years in League 1.

Wilson inherited a 'dream squad' and a top budget and failed over 2 years. Strategy still intact.

Weir was given the task of implementing a completely new strategy but the prince joined us and changed the strategy back overnight so Weir was ditched.

Clough was given unprecedented powers and a big budget for the league and he failed ( exceeded his implementation authorities in player recruitment too - that's how much empowerment and autonomy he had in his 2 years with us). Strategy intact.

Adkins - work in progress but has had a really hard time in his first eight and a half months which is no time at all in the whole scheme of things. Strategy intact.

My signature below has been 'intact' for a couple of years. I wrote it late 2013 when Clough was well into his job and I feel the same now.

I have doubts that Adkins still has what it takes, despite his excellent C.V. Only time will tell whether he is big enough to succeed with us and that's the point, he has to have another year or more and the club usually gives managers that. By then the 'strategisers' will know whether the manager is putting a squad and a culture in place to take us to the Premier League in due course i.e. progress towards the strategy. It looks a long way off frankly but it's a worthy strategy, however it's a major challenge for any manager because there's an air of doom and despondency around S2, even hatred in parts.

One final word. The Barnsley Chairman suddenly looks like a great 'strategist'.
 
so the league table final position is an internet stat now

you really are scraping the barrel
we finished 5th last season , how is that an internet stat, its how they put it ,in the record books

Players who were good enough to finish 5th last season havent been managed into improving
thats an internet stat

All your ever changing opinions are based purely on stats.

Football is a bit more complicated than that.

For example, it's a fact/stat that we scored a couple of goals against Tottenham.

Having watched us all last season I can tell you it's not a fact that this meant we were really good last season, because we weren't.

Clough was given free reign to sign who he liked for a title shot, we stumbled into 5th and lost at home to Swindon.
 
I always wondered what happened to Dave Penney. DRFC owe him a lot, he got them where they are today.

Dave Penney, S O'D, Aidey Boothroyd, Phil Brown. Just four examples of managers who had a lucky spell at one club and then reverted to the mediocrity which is their natural level. Managers are the real wage thieves. Now the pundits are trying to 'blur the boundaries' by saying 'X is a good coach, but not manager.' So why don't arseholes like McClaren point this out at interview stage? And it's highly-likely that Newcastle are about to repeat the mistake with Moyes. Yes, the David Moyes who wasted eleven years at Everton, picking up just the Community Shield. He went to Man. Utd and failed dismally and his year at Real Sociedad saw a 'win ratio' of 28%. A serial flop, yet some people still talk of him as a 'good manager'.

In a lot of situations, managers are a hindrance. Players are shipped out but people like McClaren insist that 'they will not quit.' And why should they? A handsome pay-out for failure awaits.

It looks like Collins will be the latest victim of Adkins' intransigence. Now Collins is no world-beater, but is a solid pro. He'll go on to a club like Portsmouth and continue his career. If he was guilty last Tuesday of 'not following instructions' he was not alone. If we have been witnessing Adkins' 'instructions' this season, anybody would be baffled.
 
no I base them on the fact they won games out playing other teams enough to get wins

you are basing everything on your very low opinion of how exciting we are

it may come as a shock but most of league one football is not very exciting

fans of other clubs think their team is poor but unlike such as you they dont expect them to be better because we won 4 fa cups before world war 2
or that weve had 5 seasons in the top league in the last 40 years
 

no I base them on the fact they won games out playing other teams enough to get wins

you are basing everything on your very low opinion of how exciting we are

it may come as a shock but most of league one football is not very exciting

fans of other clubs think their team is poor but unlike such as you they dont expect them to be better because we won 4 fa cups before world war 2
or that weve had 5 seasons in the top league in the last 40 years

Yes hoe daft of me to base my opinions on how we play! Much better to get them from the BBC website like you.

I expect us to be better because we get bigger crowds, meaning we can pay higher fees and better salaries.

If you don't think we should be doing better you're supporting the wrong team.

Try Alfreton. They may match your ambition.
 

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