Derek Dooley

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Imagine this set up

Owner(s) - Individual(s) willing to invest what ever it takes to get out of this division, which if done right shouldn't be anything a competent owner of this club wouldn't be able to afford.

DOF - Dooley type with a lot of contacts and footballing knowledge. A seamless link between the management and board.

Manager - Someone that knows how to prioritise signings and has an eye for the right type of player. Someone that knows how to motivate, is passionate and has a no nonsense personality.

Only a dream at the moment. And that's probably how it'll stay.
 
Maybe it's out of respect for him we've refused to appoint anyone else with half a clue about football to a senior position - even if it does mean years of rapid, continuous decline...

Other clubs retire shirt numbers of great players, we retire an absolutely key boardroom position.
 
Far from my favourite person ,but we do need that link ,there are loads of senior figures in football who wont get a mangers job anywhere who would suit that role down to a tee with a hungry football manager alongside. I mentioned Warnock - Wilder or Derry .
 
My Dad (ex-pro) has been saying for ages that's what's missing at SUFC: Someone with a true footballing knowledge, an proper insight into the game, not some local carpet salesman fan......!
 
Barney said:
Imagine this set up

DOF - Dooley type with a lot of contacts and footballing knowledge. A seamless link between the management and board.

Manager - Someone that knows how to prioritise signings and has an eye for the right type of player.
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If a DoF was in place, that is generally their role
 
Can anyone say with objectivity and evidence that Dooley was that influential? I don't even know what his duties were, yet alone how to measure his input.

As far as I can tell we appointed two good managers in Bassett and Warnock and let them get on with it for more than five minutes before binning them.

Ce n'est pas sorcier, Brian.
 
We could do with someone like him to advise the board a bit better. It might have helped with the Collins situation last year and perhaps have made the board do something to stop Clough buying far too many players and then releasing only two at the end.
 
JohnDenver said:
Can anyone say with objectivity and evidence that Dooley was that influential? I don't even know what his duties were, yet alone how to measure his input.

As far as I can tell we appointed two good managers in Bassett and Warnock and let them get on with it for more than five minutes before binning them.

Ce n'est pas sorcier, Brian.
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He obviously did a good job and was a very knowledgable connection between the manager and the muppet board members.

During his tenure as managing director and chairman he was part of a team that oversaw two promotions to the top flight and also two very stable and consistent times in the clubs history under Bassett and Warnock.

No coincidence that since he left and wasn't adequately replaced there have been some awful decisions made at board room level.

The perfect guy to do a Dooley esq job would be Warnock. And that's not a 'Bladey' reason as some would say. We need someone with tremendous experience in the game, someone who knows what it's like to operate on a smaller budget, someone who has got a good eye for a player and a lot of contacts, someone who has experience of promotion and at all levels of the game and finally someone who is at the very end of his career management wise. If he's a blade and knows the expectation of our fans then that's a bonus.

The perfect candidate is Warnock.
 



I've never met you but I've got a mental image of you and a statement like that doesn't fit.
 
Borbokisfreekick said:
He obviously did a good job and was a very knowledgable connection between the manager and the muppet board members.

During his tenure as managing director and chairman he was part of a team that oversaw two promotions to the top flight and also two very stable and consistent times in the clubs history under Bassett and Warnock.

No coincidence that since he left and wasn't adequately replaced there have been some awful decisions made at board room level.

The perfect guy to do a Dooley esq job would be Warnock. And that's not a 'Bladey' reason as some would say. We need someone with tremendous experience in the game, someone who knows what it's like to operate on a smaller budget, someone who has got a good eye for a player and a lot of contacts, someone who has experience of promotion and at all levels of the game and finally someone who is at the very end of his career management wise. If he's a blade and knows the expectation of our fans then that's a bonus.

The perfect candidate is Warnock.
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David Holdsworth
 
Maybe not phrased correctly, but he was. Born near the ground, played for them, goal scoring hero and then managed them. I know sacked in poor circumstances, but I don't believe anyone with that background can ever not lose their allegiance. Not saying he didn't grow to like, maybe love, United, but their fans still considered him one of their own, hence the reception they gave him when he finally did return. I doubt any other United director would get the same.
 
McCabe was stupid enough to sack Warnock in 07 , with whom we had the best chance of getting straight back into Prem , even if another manager would have replaced him thereafter , with Neil going upstairs. McCabe's pig-headed egotistical character meant that he lost us the best DoF we could ever have had to follow Dooley. McCabe will never swallow his pride and ask Neil to return , so Dave Holdsworth , who always talks a lot of sense and seems to love the Club , is a good shout.
I darent think of all the crap McCabe decisions which have cost my club success and made it the biggest underachieving embarrassment in football , because I may finish-up concluding that it's karma for having sued Wet Sham , whilst they become a top-4 Club in a free Olympic Stadium , whilst we crawl away to L2.
Anyway , off to play another Leonard Cohen album whilst I swing some rope over the bannister.
Some people think football is a matter of life & death - I disagree - it's much more serious than that.
 
The main criteria for a DoF shouldn't be previous connections to the club and some sort of record as a manager.

It's more important to understand where the club is now, why it is where it is, and where it needs to go - it shouldn't take long to find these things out. Managers are generally used to short term thinking too and you don't want that in a DoF.

If you look at clubs with effective DoF/technical set ups at boardroom level you won't have heard of most of the DoF/technical directors, because they're not ex managers or even ex players in many if not most cases. The ones who are may often have a more hands on involvement in recruitment etc, the others can just ensure the scouts and management follow a process, which can make a big difference and shouldn't be hard to implement. We could surely find someone to do that.
 
Lane Ender said:
I've never met you but I've got a mental image of you and a statement like that doesn't fit.
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Im sure we have met ,probably loads of times ,after following your posts ,we were at matches and in town in the same era.
Dooley was a pig no denying it ,there is even a restaurant called Dooleys at their place. He supported ,played and managed them. You cant change your team. His sons and grandsons are also pigs ,amongst other things.
He did an ok office job at the Lane but the statue is so wrong ,there are 100s more deserving cases.
 
sitwell said:
Im sure we have met ,probably loads of times ,after following your posts ,we were at matches and in town in the same era.
Dooley was a pig no denying it ,there is even a restaurant called Dooleys at their place. He supported ,played and managed them. You cant change your team. His sons and grandsons are also pigs ,amongst other things.
He did an ok office job at the Lane but the statue is so wrong ,there are 100s more deserving cases.
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Never stopped being a pig.

Agree about the statue. Surely Jimmy Hagan was a more deserving case for a statue in such a prominent place?

He did a good job linking manager to board though, no doubt about that.
 
sitwell said:
Im sure we have met ,probably loads of times ,after following your posts ,we were at matches and in town in the same era.
Dooley was a pig no denying it ,there is even a restaurant called Dooleys at their place. He supported ,played and managed them. You cant change your team. His sons and grandsons are also pigs ,amongst other things.
He did an ok office job at the Lane but the statue is so wrong ,there are 100s more deserving cases.
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I reckon he lost most of his alegience when they sacked him on Xmas eve but I agree with you Wendy probably was always his first.
However he always commanded respect from the lads and he put his all into running teams he was involved with.
A really good bloke Wendy or not
 
great OP
Id not realised the time scale of our depressing run coinciding with Dooleys demise
The mans passsion was immense
This is the missing ingredient weve been lacking, the steady hand at the tiller

We need to find someone of a similar ilk a godfather figure , , we are a family club with no grandad at present doling out his experience
 
sitwell said:
Im sure we have met ,probably loads of times ,after following your posts ,we were at matches and in town in the same era.
Dooley was a pig no denying it ,there is even a restaurant called Dooleys at their place. He supported ,played and managed them. You cant change your team. His sons and grandsons are also pigs ,amongst other things.
He did an ok office job at the Lane but the statue is so wrong ,there are 100s more deserving cases.
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Don't agree with the statue hes way down the list in that department.
 
blade too long said:
great OP
Id not realised the time scale of our depressing run coinciding with Dooleys demise
The mans passsion was immense
This is the missing ingredient weve been lacking, the steady hand at the tiller

We need to find someone of a similar ilk a godfather figure , , we are a family club with no grandad at present doling out his experience
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I agree we need that type of person ,Warnock saw first hand what he did ,however I would put the start of our decline coinciding more with Warnock leaving than Dooley. Kenworthy says a lot of things about Dooley in his book ,lets say he wasn't his favourite person .
 



Ricky said:
The main criteria for a DoF shouldn't be previous connections to the club and some sort of record as a manager.

It's more important to understand where the club is now, why it is where it is, and where it needs to go - it shouldn't take long to find these things out. Managers are generally used to short term thinking too and you don't want that in a DoF.

If you look at clubs with effective DoF/technical set ups at boardroom level you won't have heard of most of the DoF/technical directors, because they're not ex managers or even ex players in many if not most cases. The ones who are may often have a more hands on involvement in recruitment etc, the others can just ensure the scouts and management follow a process, which can make a big difference and shouldn't be hard to implement. We could surely find someone to do that.
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Adkins would be the perfect DOF , all we need is a bloody good head coach .

Good head coaches do not make good football managers that's why Walsall have just sacked there manager .

If Adkins is the top man , then it's our coaching staff , brought in by Adkins that require the sack.

Is Adkins trying to be all things to all men , and failing on every front . If he is stopping the bloke needs help , and the club at football level requires some reorganisation .

UTB
 
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