Poll: If we do protest, who are you potesting about?

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

We're in danger of having 3 different protests as fans disagree over where the blame lies. Which protest are you most in favour of?

Adkins Out:
Some believe we're actually well run club but have have had a terrible run of managers who have also made shocking decisions in the transfer market, and in Adkins we've got another who can't motivate, pick out good players in the transfer market and doesn't know what his best team/formation is.

HRH & Phipps Out:
Fans were chanting a song at Doncaster aimed at HRH asking where the moneys gone, so clearly some blame him more than McCabe. He barely attends any games, prefers NFL to "soccer" and has seemingly given up putting his hand in his pocket after less than 3 years with the club.

Kevin McCabe Out:
History of poor managerial appointments (on paper Adkins being one of his best), sold the freehold to himself and charges us rent to play in our own ground, also unwilling to put his hand in hs pocket anymore, wants an unrealistic amount of money to sell up (Upward of £30 million).

Personally I'm going with "all of the above".

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Something needs doing - or the board need to be honest with us.

People are fucked off at varying degrees about various things.

Even some of the so called 'clappers' some on here and some I know have had enough.

A turgid performance on Saturday and things could get ugly, but how our season has panned out we'll scrape a win on Sat.

5 years in this fucking hell hole of a league is some achievement for a club with our resource but Mcabe has achieved it.

Problem is no one can see light at the end of the tunnel, except maybe WHF.

 

[Barney]

Chose the first option, just pressed vote and didn't see "all of the above".

 

[Jan Age]

Some others have already mentioned it. Realistically we need to protest at the lack of direct involvement and communication from both owners.

Short term - A joint statement from the owners outlining their current position, how they view the clubs current predicament and short term plans.

Medium Term - We need to drag both of them to Sheffield to coherse with a fans group about exactly what is going on in an open and frank exchange of views. The result of which needs to be a medium to long term strategy.

Medium/long term - to commit to spending a proportion of their time at the club and keep an appropriate open channel of communication with the fans.

At no time should Jim Phipps be involved.

If they can't be arsed to do any of the above we need to seriously question organising ourselves to get rid.

 

[Sheffsteel]

This is a really important point.

The protests mainly seem to be about not winning enough.

However that is NOT enough reason to protest. The traditional and normal way to protest about results is to STOP attending.

Usually protests are about:
1: Financial mismanagement, threat of going bust.
2: Board that is at war with the fans, publicly insults the fans, no communication etc.
3: Puts up admission prices pricing out genuine fans.
4: No ambition, brings in cheap skate managers with poor cvs.
5: No ambition, doesn't spend and only brings in cheap players from the leagues below.
6: Doesn't invest in infrastructure, poor muddy pitch, poor training facilities and stadium falling to bits.

None of the above applies to us.

So what is it that people are actually wanting to protest about and what specifically do they want to to happen.

An outsider would think we are protecting about not winning enough and what we want is to start winning more. But I've never known any other club protest about that before.

For example if we had Pep Guardiola as manager with Messi and Neymar in the team and we were still mid table league 1. Would people be protesting and suggesting it was total incompetence to sign Messi and Neymar. Let's have shoes off in the car park.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Jan Age,

So all you want is communication then everything will be fine.

Jim Phipps has given the supporters the best communication it's ever had and most fans are unhappy about it.

It doesn't really matter what the board do or say. The bottom line is WIN matches and they are great and LOSE matches and they are the worse board ever.

Also bear in mind that most Chairman never speak to their fans about anything. History shows communication can be the road to disaster.

Give you a recent example. When the Prince joined McCabe said the new investment has change everything "but don't think Man City" meaning we won't waste money throwing cash at a problem. He said "think Liverpool" meaning funds will be available if there's a financial business plan regards it's benefit.

However many fans took the words literally and thought if Liverpool are spending 20 million a season then surely well spend 10 million a season on players.

 

[Jan Age]

Jan Age,

So all you want is communication then everything will be fine.

Jim Phipps has given the supporters the best communication it's ever had and most fans are unhappy about it.

It doesn't really matter what the board do or say. The bottom line is WIN matches and they are great and LOSE matches and they are the worse board ever.

Also bear in mind that most Chairman never speak to their fans about anything. History shows communication can be the road to disaster.

We do not have a board ... We have two co-owners who are pulling the strings from lands far away (maybe different strings) and one spin doctor in Jim Phipps.

There is something seriously amiss at our great club at the moment and I one for one want to know exactly what it is.

Something has been wrong since the beginning of the season (even when we had our good patch) so to suggest we are happy when we win but not when we don't is false I haven't been happy all season and half of last.

Jim Phipps... Please.... all he has spouted is drivel for the last 8 months ...

If the proper owners can't be arsed to do any of the three things I suggested then i am saddened we have these people in charge.

It's time we stood firm instead of looking for our spines!

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

We do not have a board ... We have two co-owners who are pulling the strings from lands far away (maybe different strings) and one spin doctor in Jim Phipps.

There is something seriously amiss at our great club at the moment and I one for one want to know exactly what it is.

Something has been wrong since the beginning of the season (even when we had our good patch) so to suggest we are happy when we win but not when we don't is false I haven't been happy all season and half of last.

Jim Phipps... Please.... all he has spouted is drivel for the last 8 months ...

If the proper owners can't be arsed to do any of the three things I suggested then i am saddened we have these people in charge.

It's time we stood firm instead of looking for our spines!

Disagree with pretty much all of that.

 

[Tyler Durden]

The ownership for me, plain and simple.

Whether people choose to protest or not is their perogative, but I could really do without the sneering twattishness that's been directed towards those of us have decided to take this course of action.
Especially when it's coming from the same people who are criticising the same things we are.

Prattling on about how crap things are on a forum yet not using what little power you have to make a stand serves no purpose whatsoever.
This isn't directed at anyone in particular, it's directed at anybody who has this ridiculous mindset.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

"Resistance to the organised mass can be only effected by the man who is as well organised as the mass itself"

 

[gavtheblade]

I'm protesting about the poor spelling on here!!

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

I'm protesting about the poor spelling on here!!

I saw it straight after, but sadly there's no window of opportunity to edit the spelling of thread titles.

 

[jt64]

Only being given a choice of Carling or Carlsberg

 

[Deleted member 875]

This is a really important point.

The protests mainly seem to be about not winning enough.

However that is NOT enough reason to protest. The traditional and normal way to protest about results is to STOP attending.

Usually protests are about:
1: Financial mismanagement, threat of going bust.
2: Board that is at war with the fans, publicly insults the fans, no communication etc.
3: Puts up admission prices pricing out genuine fans.
4: No ambition, brings in cheap skate managers with poor cvs.
5: No ambition, doesn't spend and only brings in cheap players from the leagues below.
6: Doesn't invest in infrastructure, poor muddy pitch, poor training facilities and stadium falling to bits.

None of the above applies to us.

So what is it that people are actually wanting to protest about and what specifically do they want to to happen.

An outsider would think we are protecting about not winning enough and what we want is to start winning more. But I've never known any other club protest about that before.

For example if we had Pep Guardiola as manager with Messi and Neymar in the team and we were still mid table league 1. Would people be protesting and suggesting it was total incompetence to sign Messi and Neymar. Let's have shoes off in the car park.

Hate to put you right squire, but I have a slight inkling that the reasons behind the general feelings of disgruntlement is that Sheffield United, a club who attract an average of 20,000 each game, and a club who gave a ground, fan base and infrastructure that would grace the top flight, are currently spending a 5th season in the third tier of English football regularly getting humiliated by the likes of Bury, Shrewsbury Town and Crewe Alexandra, and are on course for a club worst 6th consecutive season marooned in the wilderness and wastelands of the bottom 2 divisions.

Do you really think this is acceptable?

 

[Deleted member 875]

Disagree with pretty much all of that.

Why do you disagree with any of that?

I would love to be able to challenge you about your views, but you have been sanctimonious enough to put anyone who has a view that is fundamentally different to your own view that everything is rosy in the garden, and the board are the best thing since sliced bread on ignore, whilst peddling your own nonsense at will.

Frankly I'm tired of seeing yourself continually embarrass yourself.

 

[Hunkerby]

You people who blame Adkins for bad transfers - were you aware we have a transfer committee?

 

[Jan Age]

Disagree with pretty much all of that.

Fine you're entitled to your opinion as I am mine.... What would you like to see happen?

 

[Pollingtonblade]

You people who blame Adkins for bad transfers - were you aware we have a transfer committee?

I've heard it mentioned but have asked a million times on here who's on it and no one seems to know.

If we all knew the transfer committee perhaps we could comment on their work?

 

[Bladesway]

We're in danger of having 3 different protests as fans disagree over where the blame lies. Which protest are you most in favour of?

Adkins Out:
Some believe we're actually well run club but have have had a terrible run of managers who have also made shocking decisions in the transfer market, and in Adkins we've got another who can't motivate, pick out good players in the transfer market and doesn't know what his best team/formation is.

HRH & Phipps Out:
Fans were chanting a song at Doncaster aimed at HRH asking where the moneys gone, so clearly some blame him more than McCabe. He barely attends any games, prefers NFL to "soccer" and has seemingly given up putting his hand in his pocket after less than 3 years with the club.

Kevin McCabe Out:
History of poor managerial appointments (on paper Adkins being one of his best), sold the freehold to himself and charges us rent to play in our own ground, also unwilling to put his hand in hs pocket anymore, wants an unrealistic amount of money to sell up (Upward of £30 million).

Personally I'm going with "all of the above".

Your poll options exclude the following:-

I'm big enough and old enough to realise that shoes off, trousers off, knobs out or whatever won't solve or change anything.

Some of us just look on with amazement that a few people singing "where's the money gone" or "McCabe out" or "I've never felt more like swinging an AC unit" as they did last Saturday. People like this make out they are the majority. They aren't. Most of us are sensible enough to realise that our Saudi owner and his Scarborough based sidekick won't, most likely be there.

Also, does anyone think that a protest will make the players play better? Do they think it will help sack the manager? If so what is the benefit of all of this? We get to the point where we are seen as a basket case club (if we aren't already) and rightly or wrongly we have basket case fans who throw their toys out the pram every time things don't go their way.

Whatever is done should be done by boycotting the matches. But that requires the majority to agree and I'm afraid the (as usual) loud minority who burn through a keyboard a week on here with rage don't actually have any power whatsoever.

Sorry, but as much as you, or someone else wants to be seen as some sort of revolutionary, it is all a bit wet and has been done ad nauseum. It looks like we are protesting because we aren't winning and that just looks shit.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Hate to put you right squire, but I have a slight inkling that the reasons behind the general feelings of disgruntlement is that Sheffield United, a club who attract an average of 20,000 each game, and a club who gave a ground, fan base and infrastructure that would grace the top flight, are currently spending a 5th season in the third tier of English football regularly getting humiliated by the likes of Bury, Shrewsbury Town and Crewe Alexandra, and are on course for a club worst 6th consecutive season marooned in the wilderness and wastelands of the bottom 2 divisions.

Do you really think this is acceptable?

Of course it's not acceptable but that would mean I'd be protesting about the results
And I demand that the club start winning matches again.

But I've not known other fans do this type of protests before, normally they just stop going.

I realise the results, players and manager seem terrible
But what would we be asking the board to do?

Eh ignore cv's in the future and don't bring in highly rated tried and tested managers.
Instead we want you to put names in a hat from the lower divisions with poor cv's and pull a name out of the hat at random. Also we don't want you to pay big money for players in the higher leagues. We'd rather you pick players from the lower leagues with little prior quality. Don't bring in tried and tested strikers, bring in unknown strikers with no track record. Don't tell us you want promotion anymore, tell us that you would prefer relegation next year because then cheaper wages could be paid out. Tell us you have no interest in SU and have joined the board to see us fail and waste your money.

Is the above what our fans want to happen?

Football can be a funny game, do the above might produce better results than the current mob.
We could protest and demand that Brian the Blade is put in charge because he said he'd manage us for free.

I'm being a little facetious but hope you see my point. If we protest it's has to be against clear issues and suggestion about what needs to be done to get where we want to be. We can't just say "we're protesting about losing matches and what we want is to win matches. A club our size demands it"

 

[Woodwardfan]

Your poll options exclude the following:-

I'm big enough and old enough to realise that shoes off, trousers off, knobs out or whatever won't solve or change anything.

Some of us just look on with amazement that a few people singing "where's the money gone" or "McCabe out" or "I've never felt more like swinging an AC unit" as they did last Saturday. People like this make out they are the majority. They aren't. Most of us are sensible enough to realise that our Saudi owner and his Scarborough based sidekick won't, most likely be there.

Also, does anyone think that a protest will make the players play better? Do they think it will help sack the manager? If so what is the benefit of all of this? We get to the point where we are seen as a basket case club (if we aren't already) and rightly or wrongly we have basket case fans who throw their toys out the pram every time things don't go their way.

Whatever is done should be done by boycotting the matches. But that requires the majority to agree and I'm afraid the (as usual) loud minority who burn through a keyboard a week on here with rage don't actually have any power whatsoever.

Sorry, but as much as you, or someone else wants to be seen as some sort of revolutionary, it is all a bit wet and has been done ad nauseum. It looks like we are protesting because we aren't winning and that just looks shit.

Agree, but I drove 120 miles to Bramall Lane on the day Wilson was appointed, not to chant for the cameras, but to personally hand our season tickets to anyone at Bramall Lane in authority. Not because Wilson once managed Wednesday, but because he was a mediocre manager with a poor CV.

McCabe gave us 'fans' in the car park the opportunity of a meeting to sit with him, Morgan and Wilson to discuss the future. The prats amongst the "baying mob" ( who only bayed for TV cameras) staged a walk out of that meeting as a futile ' protest' which said nothing other than they were not able to talk through the issues.

On that day McCabe showed so much belief and support for Wilson, who he had wanted at Bramall Lane for years going back to his only years of success at Barnsley, that I started to believe Wilson maybe deserved a chance. Instead of handing in my tickets I thought , give the man, this reasonable, personable man who talks nothing but common sense, a chance. After all Morgan thinks he is 'the man', too, Morgan could not have been more supportive of the new manager ( I happen to think Morgan is an opportunist after his allegiance to the Clough era as well).

Wilson proved to be what he is - a safe pair of hands and a non-achiever.

Should I have handed in our season tickets that day? ( McCabe knew roughly who and what I was about through a mutual mate) Yes I bloody well should have done because McCabe was selling himself short. Why? Because he showed his ambition with the appointment of Robson and that disaster induced him to play safe thereafter.

The prince has not played safe. His sacking of Weir was right. His appointment of Clough was a master stroke. Trouble is Clough spent a load and had delusions of grandeur, running the club, running football, just like his dad. Nothing wrong wth that but you have to be good enough!

Adkins looked a good appointment, nobody on this site thought otherwise. He's had a bad start. I'm personally panicking, thank goodness I'm not Kevin McCabe. He has a 50 pc say, maybe less. He's a Blade. I'm a Blade. He's responsible, I'm not. He couldn't care more than me or Bladesway, but it's his problem. I only wish I could help.

 

[mattbianco1]

Can we protest about the number of polls?

 

[judge]

Why do you disagree with any of that?

I would love to be able to challenge you about your views, but you have been sanctimonious enough to put anyone who has a view that is fundamentally different to your own view that everything is rosy in the garden, and the board are the best thing since sliced bread on ignore, whilst peddling your own nonsense at will.

Frankly I'm tired of seeing yourself continually embarrass yourself.

Hear facking hear

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Agree, but I drove 120 miles to Bramall Lane on the day Wilson was appointed, not to chant for the cameras, but to personally hand our season tickets to anyone at Bramall Lane in authority. Not because Wilson once managed Wednesday, but because he was a mediocre manager with a poor CV.

McCabe gave us 'fans' in the car park the opportunity of a meeting to sit with him, Morgan and Wilson to discuss the future. The prats amongst the "baying mob" ( who only bayed for TV cameras) staged a walk out of that meeting as a futile ' protest' which said nothing other than they were not able to talk through the issues.

On that day McCabe showed so much belief and support for Wilson, who he had wanted at Bramall Lane for years going back to his only years of success at Barnsley, that I started to believe Wilson maybe deserved a chance. Instead of handing in my tickets I thought , give the man, this reasonable, personable man who talks nothing but common sense, a chance. After all Morgan thinks he is 'the man', too, Morgan could not have been more supportive of the new manager ( I happen to think Morgan is an opportunist after his allegiance to the Clough era as well).

Wilson proved to be what he is - a safe pair of hands and a non-achiever.

Should I have handed in our season tickets that day? ( McCabe knew roughly who and what I was about through a mutual mate) Yes I bloody well should have done because McCabe was selling himself short. Why? Because he showed his ambition with the appointment of Robson and that disaster induced him to play safe thereafter.

The prince has not played safe. His sacking of Weir was right. His appointment of Clough was a master stroke. Trouble is Clough spent a load and had delusions of grandeur, running the club, running football, just like his dad. Nothing wrong wth that but you have to be good enough!

Adkins looked a good appointment, nobody on this site thought otherwise. He's had a bad start. I'm personally panicking, thank goodness I'm not Kevin McCabe. He has a 50 pc say, maybe less. He's a Blade. I'm a Blade. He's responsible, I'm not. He couldn't care more than me or Bladesway, but it's his problem. I only wish I could help.

Morgan said he wished he'd have spoke out when Wilson was sacked but didn't so yes I agree with you on that point

 

[lepton blade]

Also why wasn't Morgan in Adkins ear on day one of his appointment saying "listen boss, I've been here years and I can tell you players X, Y and Z just aren't up to it". Maybe he hadn't sussed it out for himself, or maybe he just wanted to ingratiate himself with Adkins and keep himself employed.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Also why wasn't Morgan in Adkins ear on day one of his appointment saying "listen boss, I've been here years and I can tell you players X, Y and Z just aren't up to it". Maybe he hadn't sussed it out for himself, or maybe he just wanted to ingratiate himself with Adkins and keep himself employed.

Exactly that - a fucking snake

 

[Jan Age]

If I write a long reply belittling everyone's ideas does that make me superior in any way shape or form?

What about if I chuck in a heavy dose of sarcasm and some long words?

Nothing changes, everything remains the same.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Fine you're entitled to your opinion as I am mine.... What would you like to see happen?

Short answer: stick with Adkins

Long answer when I'm not on my phone.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Can we protest about the number of polls?

Racist

 

[Jan Age]

Short answer: stick with Adkins

Long answer when I'm not on my phone.

I would agree with sticking with Adkins but probably for different reasons,