The "foul"

[diplomat]

surely if this wasnt a penalty
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then theirs today wasnt , identical ammounts of contact

Disagree. That was a stonewall, absolutely, no doubt about it penalty. The other probably was but only accepting the 'contact' bullshit argument.

 

[WhiteHawk]

Fucking diving bastard. If the same had happened at the other end would it have been given? Not a fucking chance.

 

[Barney]

Fucking diving bastard. If the same had happened at the other end would it have been given? Not a fucking chance.

It was over dramatic from the lad, but a stonewall penalty nonetheless.

 

[WhiteHawk]

It was over dramatic from the lad, but a stonewall penalty nonetheless.

He barely even brushed his shin, not a foul at all for me that.

 

[Barney]

He barely even brushed his shin, not a foul at all for me that.

I posted a slow motion earlier on, bottom of page one - shows a foul clear as day. Clear head on contact, more than enough for a penalty. Couldn't get any more stonewall for me. His over the top reaction wasn't really needed though.

 

[Kev Gee]

Its a pen. dont even try to argue it isnt. he did over react after though.

 

[Hague Blade]

Brayford's getting off a bit lightly for me - should have been dead easy to knock man and ball into touch, or just block off the runner as he tries to go past. Tired I'm sure, as he did look very heavy legged, but if he'd done his job properly, Hammond wouldn't have had to chase across. Stupid decision to slide in, mind.

 

[Bladesway]

He barely even brushed his shin, not a foul at all for me that.

I can only assume you haven't seen the replay on TV. Or you are pissed.

 

[Bladesway]

Jonny ,can I just say you are much more of a Blade than some on here ,you can almost sense the joy about the penalty in their posting.

Hope that is the beer talking and not you being a prick. No joy anywhere at the penalty but anyone who thinks it isn't wants their head looking at. Firstly as per the rules he made contact with the man before the ball. Secondly he went to ground to make that contact. Had he been on his feet then he puts the referee in a position where there are other factors to consider. He slides in and rakes his studs down the blokes shin. He does, you can't avoid the fact it happens. I wish it hadn't and I even wish the ref hadn't seen it and we had got away with it. Then we would be talking about a replay. That is what we deserved and wanted.

Although I assume in the eyes of some being a bigger blade is summed up in the denial of such things. I must not be a bigger blade.

 

[Torrix1889]

Definite pen, agree though that Brayford should have cut things out

 

[Taramasalata]

It was a penalty all day long...why slide in, cover behind him...pointless..and thats why hammond is playing for us in league 1, and not for lineker city in the prem

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Fair comment Nigel2

http://sport.bt.com/van-gaal-full-of-praise-for-sheffield-united-defenders-91364032827441

 

[grafikhaus]

Play from 0:16

100% penalty.

No such thing - it often depends on who is playing. MoTD showed several instances of '100% penalties' (Micah Richards of Villa at Wycombe being just one) that weren't given.

We move on. It shows that - deep down and well hidden for most of this season - we've got it in us. Bounce back on Tuesday and next Saturday (by no means an easy game) and the Manure game will soon be forgotten.

Well done Blades - team, manager & fans.

 

[madeinsheffield]

Yep Brayford got turned by a £25m player after 90+ mins, and Hammond was slightly reckless, and Coutts was behind him covering but we held a team that had all the big boys in which has had a quarter of a billion pounds spent on it. We did well.

 

[Davie Blade]

There was contact in the tackle. The theatrical reaction with both heels going up at the same time followed by a forward one and a half roll where not due to the contact.
Completely unnatural.
We would never have heard the last of it , if that had been Darmian on Sharp.

A homer decision.
2 or 3 out of 10 given for an away side.

 

[Cardero]

Yes there was contact. What annoys me is the stupid dive that follows. Simple biomechanics. The way Hammond touches him, if the contact had been significant, would have seen his leg pushed to the left and Depay falls to the right, it wouldn't have made both legs go 3 mile up in the air. Hey ho, done and dusted now, on to the next......

 

[super_pig]

i thought hammond made some contact with his shin pad but depay had no momentum at the time and he wasn't impeded.. that's why he dived 'up' in the air

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

OK.

Here's my take.

It 100% is NOT 100% a nailed on pen. Never in a month of Sundays.

At best, IMHO it's < 50% for reasons I won't detail here.

But it's Man U, in stoppage time at the Stretford End, so that, my fellow Blades, is that.

EXACT same thing happens in reverse and the decision is, in all probability, the exact opposite.

UTB

So there wasn't contact on his standing leg? Of course it's a penalty.
I always thought our fans were pretty sensible understood the Blades way of letting opportunity slip through our fingers, but we weren't cheated in any way shape or form.
This bemoaning of being cheated is embarrassing and just giving more ammunition to the stereotype we've gotten since the West Ham/Tevez episode. We are not Celtic - never defeated often cheated, although some of our number want to perpetuate that stereotype. We went to Man Utd held them for most of the game, a player made a poor decision probably due to tiredness and we lost. We take what we can from it and move on to Wigan.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Agree FB that by the rules it was a penalty. But not a dive? There's no way it was a natural fall from that challenge therefore surely it was some form of dive?

He's every right to go down if fouled.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I smell pork. Maybe that's where the flatulence comes from. Whatever.

You've been here less than a year and you've come to the assumption that you can call fans out as Pigs because they disagree with you?
Not hard to see what role you provide in your Somerset village.

 

[super_pig]

We are not Celtic - never defeated often cheated,

really? it's ok for them then?.. the evidence would suggest otherwise.
i think it was a pen. but if the roles had been reversed we wouldn't have got it.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

really? it's ok for them then?.. the evidence would suggest otherwise.
i think it was a pen. but if the roles had been reversed we wouldn't have got it.

You have no idea that this would be true in that game yesterday. If it happens then we can highlight it and bemoan our bad luck, but to bemoan because we had a legitimate penalty given against us is bad form. We weren't were beaten because we made a single bad mistake, that happens up and down the country most Saturday afternoons.

 

[super_pig]

You have no idea that this would be true in that game yesterday. If it happens then we can highlight it and bemoan our bad luck, but to bemoan because we had a legitimate penalty given against us is bad form. We weren't were beaten because we made a single bad mistake, that happens up and down the country most Saturday afternoons.

but you aren't taking my total bias toward us into account Bob! .. stop being so bloody objective
you're right btw

 

[DronnieBlade]

So there wasn't contact on his standing leg? Of course it's a penalty.
I always thought our fans were pretty sensible understood the Blades way of letting opportunity slip through our fingers, but we weren't cheated in any way shape or form.
This bemoaning of being cheated is embarrassing and just giving more ammunition to the stereotype we've gotten since the West Ham/Tevez episode. We are not Celtic - never defeated often cheated.

Interesting obs !!!

First of all Is there contact ? Yes.

Which adjective BEST describes said contact :

1. Grazed shine pads.
2. Our lad near decapitates their lads leg
3. Somewhere in between.

Option 1 gets my vote here.

Now, if we can agree on this (which I doubt), then the ref is gonna have to go out with 3 whistles every game for fear of wearing one out, having blown up every 20 seconds every time opposing players even challenge for the ball. 200 fouls a game , 18 yellows and 6 reds in every single match that's played.

Is that what people want to pay £50 to see ??!

Depays elaborate overreaction seals it for me. Hammonds angle of approach when contact is made is such that his left leg SHOULD go out from underneath him and to his left. It doesn't. It goes up in the air behind him as does, for no obvious reason, his right leg in what could best be described as a back flip kangaroo kick (with pike !).

The combination of minimal contact (rather than major contact) combined with Depays over elaborate body movement that is OBVIOUSLY a conscience reaction on his part to over emphasise the minimal contact made, is a powerful argument that the awarding of the penalty was, in all probability, soft.

BBC "expert' analysis has also suggested this to be the case.

If you can't see this, then that's your business.

UTB

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Yes there was contact. What annoys me is the stupid dive that follows. Simple biomechanics. The way Hammond touches him, if the contact had been significant, would have seen his leg pushed to the left and Depay falls to the right, it wouldn't have made both legs go 3 mile up in the air. Hey ho, done and dusted now, on to the next......

Good point and to me most evident from behind.

Hammond goes in and the reaction is impossible unless Depay is applying the force himself.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

but you aren't taking my total bias toward us into account Bob! .. stop being so bloody objective
you're right btw

I was fuming when it happened, but then took solice in the fact that this is just typical United. I only have myself to blame to expect us to see it through and get the result we deserved.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

OBVIOUSLY a conscience reaction

Good post.

Maybe it was a the conscious reaction of a player with no conscience.

 

[grafikhaus]

From the Mail on Sunday report:

'Depay had dramatically spun up in the air after contact from the Blades defender and replays show he had been caught on the shin. Certainly referee Jon Moss had no doubts.'

and...

'Slippery conditions were not helpful for either side. It did make for some terrific sliding tackles, though, and one from David Edgar dumped Herrera on his backside. Moss waved play on, surely to the delight of the traditionalists.'

So one challenge didn't merit a free kick and 'delighted the traditionalists'. The other? Deep into added time, in the penalty area and in front of the Stretford End. No contest.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Interesting obs !!!

First of all Is there contact ? Yes.

Which adjective BEST describes said contact :

1. Grazed shine pads.
2. Our lad near decapitates their lads leg
3. Somewhere in between.

Option 1 gets my vote here.

Now, if we can agree on this (which I doubt), then the ref is gonna have to go out with 3 whistles every game for fear of wearing one out, having blown up every 20 seconds every time opposing players even challenge for the ball. 200 fouls a game , 18 yellows and 6 reds in every single match that's played.

Is that what people want to pay £50 to see ??!

Depays elaborate overreaction seals it for me. Hammonds angle of approach when contact is made is such that his left leg SHOULD go out from underneath him and to his left. It doesn't. It goes up in the air behind him as does, for no obvious reason, his right leg in what could best be described as a back flip kangaroo kick (with pike !).

The combination of minimal contact (rather than major contact) combined with Depays over elaborate body movement that is OBVIOUSLY a conscience reaction on his part to over emphasise the minimal contact made, is a powerful argument that the awarding of the penalty was, in all probability, soft.

BBC "expert' analysis has also suggested this to be the case.

If you can't see this, then that's your business.

UTB

It's 3, somewhere in between, and a penalty. The reaction of the player is irrelevant given it was a foul due to the clear contact. If he hadn't been touched, then it's a dive. He was clearly fouled, it's a clear penalty, I really don't understand what we are arguing about here.
Let's try this; if that happened in our box would you have been as staunch in your opinion that the ref shouldn't have given it and waved play on? I'm certain you would have been screaming for it and grumbling about not getting the big decisions against the big clubs.

 

[Worksop II]

You have to smile as to why Hammond is sliding, in the Refs view he would be judged as being out of control

Maybe he should, ya know, stay on his feet, like a holding midfielder should, and with cover behind him as well

Depay just activated his "eject button"

Piss poor from Hammond