The "foul"

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

He'd be asking for the rules to be applied and a penalty given.
Stop being such bad losers and going to pathetic lengths to moan about a perfectly legitimate penalty.
The player was infringed and caught without any shadow of doubt, therefore why should he be disadvantaged? His advantage had gone, the ball would have been cleared, it's a clear penalty and Sheffield United manage to grab defeat from the jaws or victory (for the coffers at least) again. If you're as old as you claim you should be used to it by now, gallent losers is one of the few things we do consistantly well.

Ah but he wouldnt want his players doing exaggerated dives to get awarded the penalty tho so whilst i accept your other points as valid... Cloughie would have laid into him and had him dropped off the team bus 5 miles out and telling him to walk to the ground the next game! He did it with Birtles the one time!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Ah but he wouldnt want his players doing exaggerated dives to get awarded the penalty tho so whilst i accept your other points as valid... Cloughie would have laid into him and had him dropped off the team bus 5 miles out and telling him to walk to the ground the next game! He did it with Birtles the one time!

Not for going down when contact was made. Diving fair enough, but that wasn't a dive - he was defiantly fouled so went down. Yes he could have stayed on his feet but there was no advantage to doing so in fact it was disadvantageous to do so as the ref might have not seen the contact.

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

It's hard cross posting through an argument ...Brian Clough is my football hero. I was very sorry Nigel didn't work out for us.

yup.. where do you think you'd be this season if he had stayed on?? He seemed a steady manager, still classed as pretty young in the game as a manager and maybe improve/learn from his previous mistakes.

 

[Rodders]

He'd be asking for the rules to be applied and a penalty given.
Stop being such bad losers and going to pathetic lengths to moan about a perfectly legitimate penalty.
The player was infringed and caught without any shadow of doubt, therefore why should he be disadvantaged? His advantage had gone, the ball would have been cleared, it's a clear penalty and Sheffield United manage to grab defeat from the jaws or victory (for the coffers at least) again. If you're as old as you claim you should be used to it by now, gallent losers is one of the few things we do consistantly well.

Its all Trevor Brooking's fault! Lets all march on Downing Street with Sean Bean!!!!

 

[DI36O]

I think people are saying you can have contact and it still be a dive and people find this unsavoury.

I saw it as a pen too but I'd quite like exciting attacking players to be encouraged to be exciting and attacking rather than be encouraged to go down for the easy option because of 'contact'.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I think people are saying you can have contact and it still be a dive and people find this unsavoury.

I saw it as a pen too but I'd quite like exciting attacking players to be encouraged to be exciting and attacking rather than be encourage to go down for the easy option because of 'contact'.

There was no advantage to him playing on, and the only way to stop players ensuring the foul is given is by referees not being afraid to bring play back even 30 seconds to give the penalty/foul. Every advantage should be given to the fouled player/team. Then, maybe, you have a case.

 

[ucandomagic]

It was definitely a pen - and Dean should have stayed on his feet and Coutts should have been covering inside and he hadn't moved and Reedy was pretty static as well and Beard should have grabbed a handful of shirt long before and taken a yellow - but maybe legs and brains were all a bit weary.

For me it may be the best result - they have all gone off feeling more confident in themselves as a team and us as a club but with an unjust result based on their overall performance and there is now only one thing to focus on.

I think Hammond thinks he owes us big now as well - and if we show him some support in the next few days he'll die for us, if he's the sort of bloke that Nigel says he is.

UTB

 

[Ricky]

He seemed to forget he was playing on a wet pitch.

 

[1889]

Hammonds challenge was absolutely moronic, but that said, the kid saw him coming a mile off, knocked it passed him and instead of continuing his run left his leg there waiting for the inevitable contact, then went down like he'd been hit with a bit of 4 X 2.
It was a dive, but the fact that Hammond would provide such an opportunity in the penalty area is unbelievable. Forty yards up the pitch he'd have side stepped the challenge and left Hammond for dead.

Guess your view on it depends how you think the game should be played.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Only we can continually find ways to lose games in such heartbreaking ways.

Poetically put.

I thought we were, indeed, poetically heartbreaking today. The very least we deserved was a replay. On the five or six (more ?) occasions we managed to get the ball in their box all we needed was it to fall differently and we might easily have nicked one.

Lots of outrage round us for the 6 mins added time, but there were what, 5 subs in the second half, and isn't the protocol 30 secs added per sub (pls correct me, someone) ? Plus two longer than normal injury hold ups ? 6 mins felt about right to me.

Still gutted tho. A questionable 93rd minute pen is the way we always hope the Pork will lose ...

 

[DronnieBlade]

OK.

Here's my take.

It 100% is NOT 100% a nailed on pen. Never in a month of Sundays.

At best, IMHO it's < 50% for reasons I won't detail here.

But it's Man U, in stoppage time at the Stretford End, so that, my fellow Blades, is that.

EXACT same thing happens in reverse and the decision is, in all probability, the exact opposite.

UTB

 

[him behind you]

I'd say its more because he knows the referee will never change his mind on it.

it was a silly slide in looking worse because it was so slippery but he hardly even touched him...a split second pause while the cheating twonk registers in his mind he's gonna bring his heels up and dive and kaboom, the ref got suckered in by it!!

Absolutely agree. Mistake going to ground but the conditions made him slide so much. Just seen it on tv and it even looks like he was trying to pull out but that cheating premiership wander saw it coming and made sure his leg got to Hammond's foot - and don't get me on the natural way he fell, if someone kicked me on the shin when running forward I'm sure I'd jump vertically in the air.

Just one thing I'm worried about. Last week we lost a game because we conceded a late goal when brayford failed to make a challenge outside the area and he's done it again tonight. Hopefully this is because he's not quite match fit yet rather than errors creeping into his game.

Overall I'm proud to be a blade again tonight and refuse to blame anyone.

 

[Jonboy60]

The fact that a premiership player went down like a sack of spuds, only highlights how shit manure were, and are. They needed dopey, depay or whatever his fuckin name is, to resort to this sort of desperation, because manure would still be passing it around in circles now, and would never have scored in open play if it had carried on till midnight. I reckon it was a pen, but oh how a bunch of fukin embarrassment needed it. UTB, FTP, ( premier)).

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Have to say I was surprised how shit they were.

 

[blade too long]

Highlights on motd and only Bashams weak shot from 30 yards made DeGea put his news paper down
You can only win heroically if you do something heroic

Man Utd havent scored a goal at home before half time in 6 months
is Clough in charge there

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Highlights didn't really do us justice, I felt ?

 

[secretchief]

Highlights didn't really do us justice, I felt ?

Which of our chances did you have in mind?

 

[Bladesway]

I'm sorry but the kid got a set of six straight down his shin. It probably hurt a lot.

There is much talk about "in my day". Well my day was pretty diving and in my day that was a penalty. It always has been and always will be.

 

[blade too long]

surely if this wasnt a penalty

then theirs today wasnt , identical ammounts of contact

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Just got back. It's about 1:30 in here in decent quality - and, for me, it's not a penalty in a million years. Hammond possibly makes contact, but then immediately withdraws his foot. All in all "striking" him with the same force you'd pat a newborn baby on the head.

 

[sitwell]

yup.. where do you think you'd be this season if he had stayed on?? He seemed a steady manager, still classed as pretty young in the game as a manager and maybe improve/learn from his previous mistakes.

Jonny ,can I just say you are much more of a Blade than some on here ,you can almost sense the joy about the penalty in their posting.

 

[him behind you]

Not for going down when contact was made. Diving fair enough, but that wasn't a dive - he was defiantly fouled so went down. Yes he could have stayed on his feet but there was no advantage to doing so in fact it was disadvantageous to do so as the ref might have not seen the contact.

Agree FB that by the rules it was a penalty. But not a dive? There's no way it was a natural fall from that challenge therefore surely it was some form of dive?

 

[northsomersetblade]

So exciting attacking players should be disadvantaged when fouled and should play on? It's not contemptible it's just logical if you want the see the best of the game. The alternatives is that everyone doesn't moan when the ref brings is back if they don't score, which they would.

I smell pork. Maybe that's where the flatulence comes from. Whatever.

 

[sitwell]

I think referees should be wired up during a game like Rugby. It would be very interesting to hear what Rooney said to the ref on the way off at half time to earn him a pat on the backside and a smile.

 

[northsomersetblade]

I think referees should be wired up during a game like Rugby. It would be very interesting to hear what Rooney said to the ref on the way off at half time to earn him a pat on the backside and a smile.

I overheard it so I can put it here - 'eh ref there's a slab of 50's in yer boots afterwards in the dresser if we get a pen, like. And does yer mum give blow jobs. If so, is she over 60 and how much - does she charge by the hour or wha'?

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

Jonny ,can I just say you are much more of a Blade than some on here ,you can almost sense the joy about the penalty in their posting.

I guess it all boils down to the differing opinions of what people think and see in the nature of an attempted tackle like that to constitute a penalty and how much contact is deemed ok or not.

I was really into that match tonight, the gameplan was clear..it was similar-ish to what i reckon Worcester tried to do at Bramall Lane (strangely both games hinged on penalties breaking the deadlock for a player sliding in when they probably didnt have to!), only you got soooo close to executing it and earning that deserved replay. Disciplined defending made them look very ordinary and they lacked any real ideas to unlock the steel doors you put up save for a couple of cut ins and long range pots from Martial and Depay on the edge of the box.
There is definitely a case of what if and what could have been after that valiant display..a bit more pace injected down the flanks and if the ball couldve been held up a bit better up top we might all be talking a little different.

(I just said 'we'!!) Gosh!

 

[Barney]

Jonny ,can I just say you are much more of a Blade than some on here ,you can almost sense the joy about the penalty in their posting.

No, it's just that some have the intelligence to step back and assess the situation fairly, as opposed to jumping in to call what was a right decision wrong just because it went against us.

 

[Punk Blade]

It's one of those that's a foul and a dive. Yellow card each.

The problem is that referees don't give fouls unless someone falls over (or tucks their knees together and jumps up in the air). So when a forward knows he's been fouled, he knows he has to go down to get the penalty. And then the referee is making a difficult decision because he's seen both a foul and dive and isn't sure which to give, and both sets of players and fans are right that they should get a decision in their favour. But the referee has brought this on himself because he can't give a foul for being a foul.

 

[diplomat]

He gets fouled, therefore it's a penalty. There is no onus on him to play on. Too many refs aren't strong enough to play on and then call it back if they don't score for the penalty. He was 100% right to go down under that challenge and would have been stupid not to.

In a way you're right but I prefer the days when you actually have to foul someone rather than make a choice whether you go down or not just because someone touches you. Did he touch him? Yes. Did the touch warrant jumping both your feet off the ground (probably) wailing like a small child, and limping away. No.

 

[diplomat]

from the bbc

Sheffield United looked to have secured a lucrative replay at Bramall Lane but, as the game entered the 90th minute, Memphis broke into the area and fell as he was challenged by midfielder Dean Hammond.

His acrobatic reaction suggested the hosts may have got lucky when referee Jon Moss pointed to the spot, but replays showed there was limited contact.

"I thought it was a penalty but it was an absolute shocking performance from Manchester United," BBC Radio 5 live pundit Robbie Savage said.

"For me, Van Gaal, I'd get rid of him."

If Savage had made that tackle I think he'd have been livid a pen was given.