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HillmortonBlade said:
No, but don't let the facts ruin the hyperbole
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Colchester. 2-0 down. 2-2. Lose 3-2.
Bury. 1-0 down. 1-1. Lose 3-1.
Millwall. 1-1 down. 1-1. Lose 2-1.
Then today.

All pretty late in the second half.

Hyperbole?

Basically, every time we equalise, we get over excited, go for the win, fuck it up and lose. Unprofessional to lose all four like that. You can forgive the odd one, but four? All at home? Shambolic.
 



FriethBlade said:
I'm not sure that Hammond at his age is worth the likely large wages we will have to pay him. Why can't we find younger, quicker versions of Hammond, Coutts et al?
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I think we've tried to do that over the past few years in singing Baxter, scougall, Wallace. All young with promise, and in typical SUFC fashion, all a failure.

People criticized Cloughs scouting and that he signed ex players etc. yet what exactly has Adkins brought to the club so far?? Three ex players all the wrong side of 28 and one who came through our academy anyway! I do like Sharp, but the others are nothing to shout about.

Hammond is not the answer, if Adkins puts all his eggs in that basket he's lost his mind.
 
Ricky said:
And how many more times are we going to concede straight after equalising?
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Ricky said:
Basically, every time we equalise, we get over excited, go for the win, fuck it up and lose. Unprofessional to lose all three like that. You can forgive the odd one, but four? All at home? Shambolic.
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Apologies, I thought in your original post you were suggesting that on a number of occasions we had conceded straight after equalising (Against Bury and Colchester?? not my recollection). Now I realise that's not what you were saying, rather, you were saying that we have lost matches after scoring. Granted, that is not in "identical circumstances" (as you put it). As I say, apologies for not realising you meant something different to what you posted.
 
HillmortonBlade said:
Apologies, I thought in your original post you were suggesting that on a number of occasions we had conceded straight after equalising (Against Bury and Colchester?? not my recollection). Now I realise that's not what you were saying, rather, you were saying that we have lost matches after scoring. Granted, that is not in "identical circumstances" (as you put it). As I say, apologies for not realising you meant something different to what you posted.
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They were all conceded not long after we equalised. But we surpassed ourselves today. What was it? About 90 seconds? Less?
 
Right who is going to be blame Collins, not even mentioned in this thread but on the others he is the villan of the defence. Not put a foot wrong today, time some people found another scapegoat
 
Ricky said:
They were all conceded not long after we equalised. But we surpassed ourselves today. What was it? About 90 seconds? Less?
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Correct today, straight after we scored, and it was shambolic. But you seem to suggest that it has happened previously this season in "identical circumstances" and it has not. I'm fed up with the result today and I am fed up with posters making unnecessarily negative and incorrect posts. If we can stick to the facts, there really is no need to exaggerate our predicament.
 
HillmortonBlade said:
Correct today, straight after we scored, and it was shambolic. But you seem to suggest that it has happened previously this season in "identical circumstances" and it has not. I'm fed up with the result today and I am fed up with posters making unnecessarily negative and incorrect posts. If we can stick to the facts, there really is no need to exaggerate our predicament.
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OK, 'straight after' isn't as applicable to the others, but it's still not far off is it? Bottom line is we've lost FOUR times at home after equalising and being in the ascendancy. Shocking. Losing four at home in the first place - all season - is bad enough.
 
Ricky said:
OK, 'straight after' isn't as applicable to the others, but it's still not far off is it? Bottom line is we've lost FOUR times at home after equalising and being in the ascendancy. Shocking. Losing four at home in the first place - all season - is bad enough.
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Fair enough. I was just pissed off after reading another poster who's only interest is in being exclusively negative about a club he (comically) claims to support. That's why I had a bite at your assertions.

Having said that... I don't agree it's "shocking", I think it's sadly predictable given the squad we have.
 
Football fans can change there minds, one minute he's crap get rid, the next he's alright this lad, misjudged him, then he's rubbish again, how wpould somefolk be if they had to make these discisions and be judged on them, easy as I have said before, like running a business people who dont have to make discisions can always tell you howit should be done, and yet next Monday theywill be sweeping the shop floor
 
admittedly i couldn't go today because my mum forgotten to hand the ST's back after bradford game on 28th that i missed because of a work clash with & she didnt finish work til 4. just going on this twitter account & highlights ive seen

but it look like same old story. its the defence thats costing us far too fragile yes you could say 2 clean sheets in 3 coming in this game but coventry how never scored is beyond me charmed life is understatement 2015 & seems from Radio Sheffield scunny was 2 poor teams v us where 1 goal would settle it either side. that defence needs newcomers since jan transfer window in 2015 mceveley & collins are good as back up playing once in a while. but i dont want to put it all on them because it is collective poor effort especially 1st & 3rd goal 4 (1st) & 6 (3rd) players that are too scared to to put a foot in
 
Is Coutts the answer on the right though. I am also very pleased with his form of late but dont think he's a natural winger who could terrorise a full back or get round the back of a defence. I would personally chose him instead the of the headless chicken that is Chris Basham. With Coutts pace, stature and strength, I can see him being the player we all thought Dean Hammond was going to be.
 
Some cool facts here:
We now have the 5th worst defensive record at home in the division
To date we have conceded 3 fewer goals at home than in the whole of last season

We played pretty well for most of the game. If you saw everything but the goals you would bet everything that Peterborough's defence would be the ones to shit the bed. I think our lot just don't have the bottle for it.

Oh well we can go back to being plucky underdogs next weekend.
 
None of the goals were Long's fault. Laughable that some can't wait to blame him.

Our issue is we dont close down their players quick enough when they are about 20 yards out, that lays at the feet of Hammond. He has improved recently but he will be on a fair whack and I still don't think he does as good a job as Doyle.
 
Borbokisfreekick said:
I think we've tried to do that over the past few years in singing Baxter, scougall, Wallace. All young with promise, and in typical SUFC fashion, all a failure.

People criticized Cloughs scouting and that he signed ex players etc. yet what exactly has Adkins brought to the club so far?? Three ex players all the wrong side of 28 and one who came through our academy anyway! I do like Sharp, but the others are nothing to shout about.

Hammond is not the answer, if Adkins puts all his eggs in that basket he's lost his mind.
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Cloughs gone get over it.
We lost today but it entertained me more than Clough did all last season
 



Looking back at the goals I reckon Edgar's the villain for both the 1st & the 3rd goals (though Brayford doesn't get off scot free for either) - pathetic defending.

Thought George was at fault for the 2nd at the time, but I was wrong.

From their point of view, three outstanding goals though.

But why don't we ever score the sort of "worldies" that the likes of Posh just take in their stride? There's an absurd reluctance to shoot (& unwillingness to take responsibility in front of goal) from just about everyone bar Billy.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Looking back at the goals I reckon Edgar's the villain for both the 1st & the 3rd goals (though Brayford doesn't get off scot free for either) - pathetic defending.

Thought George was at fault for the 2nd at the time, but I was wrong.

From their point of view, three outstanding goals though.

But why don't we ever score the sort of "worldies" that the likes of Posh just take in their stride? There's an absurd reluctance to shoot (& unwillingness to take responsibility in front of goal) from just about everyone bar Billy.
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We've hardly any goal threat from the midfield..Coutts,Bash,Hammond and Woolford..not many goals in them...I thought Bashh had a good game,but passed up opportunities to shoot on at least a couple of occasions...we need at least a couple of our midfield to carry a goal threat.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Looking back at the goals I reckon Edgar's the villain for both the 1st & the 3rd goals (though Brayford doesn't get off scot free for either) - pathetic defending.

Thought George was at fault for the 2nd at the time, but I was wrong.

From their point of view, three outstanding goals though.

But why don't we ever score the sort of "worldies" that the likes of Posh just take in their stride? There's an absurd reluctance to shoot (& unwillingness to take responsibility in front of goal) from just about everyone bar Billy.
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"....There's an absurd reluctance to shoot ..."

It is terrible pal, Players closing in on the box and then crapping themselves and looking for the pass.
 
Bladepicker said:
None of the goals were Long's fault. Laughable that some can't wait to blame him.

Our issue is we dont close down their players quick enough when they are about 20 yards out, that lays at the feet of Hammond. He has improved recently but he will be on a fair whack and I still don't think he does as good a job as Doyle.
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I think the players would disagree about the second ,the players looked at him in disgust en-masse. The first one is misleading on TV ,I was right behind it and it had a good curve on it ,great strike but should have been closed down quicker ,the 3rd one was miles offside in the build up not shown on TV ,the whole of g and h block on John st and south stand were up.
 
sitwell said:
I think the players would disagree about the second ,the players looked at him in disgust en-masse. The first one is misleading on TV ,I was right behind it and it had a good curve on it ,great strike but should have been closed down quicker ,the 3rd one was miles offside in the build up not shown on TV ,the whole of g and h block on John st and south stand were up.
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The ball loops and dips loads for the second too, I don't think you can blame him for it though it looked like it was his fault more live as Alreton said.

Just gutted as today and Millwall are two games we could, should and deserved to have won by two or three goals and we have lost them both.
 
Funny how when Howard gets beat from range he's slated, with most saying he can't save a shot from outside the area. Yet when Long has the same thing happen to him, they're worldies ad completely un-savable!

Look at their keeper today, yeah some bizarre decisions with his goal kicks, but full of confidence, claiming corners/crosses, and a couple of good saves as well. - Yet another one who comes here and is better than the two we have.

I'm not saying the goals were Long's fault, but surely if you're encouraging long range efforts from outside the area you have to be confident in your keeper to save them?
 
Ricky said:
Colchester. 2-0 down. 2-2. Lose 3-2.
Bury. 1-0 down. 1-1. Lose 3-1.
Millwall. 1-1 down. 1-1. Lose 2-1.
Then today.

All pretty late in the second half.

Hyperbole?

Basically, every time we equalise, we get over excited, go for the win, fuck it up and lose. Unprofessional to lose all four like that. You can forgive the odd one, but four? All at home? Shambolic.
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But in your earlier thread you laid the blame squarely at the feet of John Brayford, was he to blame for the early 3 games you mention?
 
just seen the replay.
first as i saw it.. he hit it right footed from the left and it could have gone anywhere hammond had two runners to track and one blocks him out
two was a mis-hit.. again.. it could have gone anywhere
three.. beard looked exhausted. he isn't 100 percent yet but someone should have scythed him down outside the box and took the yellow
 
Deleted Member said:
But in your earlier thread you laid the blame squarely at the feet of John Brayford, was he to blame for the early 3 games you mention?
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Good question. And after much thought, yes, I've decided he was at fault in those three games he didn't play in.

I never just blamed him either. For that third goal I think he was most to blame but it was poor from Edgar and Hammond too and typical of the mindset which has seen us lose the previous games to even give them such an attacking opportunity so quickly after scoring. Adkins has to take responsibility for the amount of times this has happened.
 



theres always blemishes in any recovery, poor results
look at walsall yesterday , battered 3-0 at home by rochdale who hadnt won in 8 away
got to not panic and get back on the horse

the season didnt finish again for one result
 
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